How could Guru Nanak visit Mecca if he wasn't a Muslim?

We have reached a point of disagreement with no impasse. On the one hand is the belief that Muslims have all committed crimes in the name of their religion against other religions. In the other hand is the belief that it is the people who commit crimes, not the religion itself.

It is akin to saying it's the guns that kill people, when in fact it is the people who kill people WITH the guns.

To tarnish an entire religion is very divisive. Sikhi is about creating in people a sense of commonality and unity, not division.

 
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Religion itself influence people and society in big way though common characteristics of humans retain in most of people.The people who kill with gun should have mentality to kill others O/W gun is a useless tool for them.For example just give a gun to jain and ask him to shoot at animal and he may not be able to do that ,but then give it to muslim or christian and they may do it without hesistation.

TBH I don't have any interest in muslim or islam debate but if any secular muslim will come and say that islam has nothing to what muslims did or doing with non muslims then I will reply to him

These guys say it best. It's about racism but the idea still stands - you can't say one person's evil mind makes the entire race evil, you can't say one person's evil mind makes the entire religion evil.

Sikhi is about finding common ground in virtue and seeing people as people, not their religion. Happy to be corrected.

The thread has gone off topic for some time now. Let's go back to the original purpose of the discussion.
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I have a question. Does anyone know at what point in history Mecca was cut off to non-Muslims? Somewhere in the back of my mind this question is rattling about. If we could answer it, it might resolve the thread questions. Thanks.

Yes I too would like to know when and WHY...Mecca was sealed OFF to Non Muslims ??
IS this decision based on Islam or "people"....and IF its NOT Based on ISLAM..why do the 1 BILLION Musims permit such UNISLAMIC Behaviour by "people".....
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2. Ask any Pakistani Muslim..to them the Mughals are Heroes of the highest order...even kings like Jehangir shah jehan and aurengzeb or muhd rangila....and Akbar is NOT so great !!! Reason is obvious...AKBAR was a bit too Multi Racial/multi religious compared to the fanatics named....in fact Akbar may even be considered MURTAD for being non-muslim friendly ruler...

spnadmin ji it appears that there may be periods of open and close access to Mecca dependent upon who was in control. For example,

History of Mecca
Known around 0 CE as Macoraba, and was an important trade and religious centre.

So one has to assume that non-Muslims were not allowed from 630 to 1268.


1269 - 1516: Comes under control of the Egyptian Mamluks.
So one has to assume that in the period 1269 to 1516 there were few restrictions as Mamluks appear less tied to the previous period and as a matter of fact defeated the people of that period to capture Mecca. These were predominantly warrior driven Sultanates which also spread to India. For example,


Since such would have encountered non-Muslims and sufism flourished in early part of this period one has to believe there was tolerance on travel and free thought.

1517-1924: Passes to the Ottoman Empire.
So during Guru Nanak Dev ji's times Mecca was in flux between the Mamluks and the Ottomans. Perhaps no one really cared who comes and goes.

1925 to now: Comes under control of King Ibn Sa'ud.
I assume from this point on the restriction on non-muslims was reborn.

Not necessarily Academic quality high calibre write up but if it triggers thoughts in others more capable.

Sat Sri Akal.

Thanks Ambarsaria ji

The year 1925 stands out as a historical milestone. I was indeed wondering if closing of Mecca coincided with the assumption of power by the Saud family and their backers the Wahabi imams. That is why I asked. This seems a very modern development.
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It is also really interesting that the open door to Mecca has shifted before.

It makes no sense for anyone to be irked about how Guru Nanak could enter Mecca under the circumstances...for the Muslim world then was more fluid than it is now. I would like to see this point taken up in discussion.

At least 1503:
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Non-Muslims are not permitted to enter Mecca under Saudi law,^[9] and using fraudulent documents to do so may result in arrest and prosecution.^[73] Nevertheless, as a result of curiosity, many non-Muslims have falsely posed as Muslims in order to visit the city and experience the Hajj for themselves. The first such recorded example is that of Ludovico di Varthema of Bologna in 1503.^[74] The most famous was Richard Francis Burton,^[75] who traveled as a Qadiriyyah Sufi from Afghanistan in 1853. The Saudi government supports their position using Sura 9:28 from the Qur'an: O you who believe, the idol worshipers are polluted; they shall not be permitted to approach the Sacred Masjid after this year. If you fear loss of income, God will shower you with His provisions, in accordance with His will. God is Omniscient, Most Wise.
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Thank you .

Ishna ji the 9th Hijr covers the period of 14th and 15th Centuries. That is about 1372 to 1471 but I could be wrong. Hijr is basically a Century counted from the birth of Prophet Muhammad in 571.
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Sat Sri Akal.