Lust & Sexuality

consfused boy · #46 (**permalink**) 02-Apr-2008, 21:48 PM

Can anyone that knows about Sikhism clarify please?
Thank you.
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Archived_Member4 · #47 (**permalink**) 16-Apr-2008, 03:54 AM

Confused boy

This is a sensitive topic and people really need to think and analyze backwards to give you a detailed answer that does not leave loose ends that will mislead you.

Having these feelings are normal and everyone when they reach a certain age gets aroused by different things in life. So don’t feel bad when your mind goes into the state where it indulges into a fantasy about a woman’s body. What we have to do as a human to find a way to not distract but to control these fantasies. It requires self control of the body and mind. The next time you get these feelings think about what you are looking at and how you are sitting. So stop what you are doing and try this simple self control exercise. Works best if you are sitting crossed legged. First straighten out your spine so you are not hunched over. Then place your hands together like you are about to do ardas and then place them in between your chest and your elbows close to your sides then close your eyes and take a deep breath in hold it for about 10 seconds then let it go and do not breathe for another 10 seconds holding your breath out for the same amount of time. Slowly increase the time when you hold your breath in and out from 10 to about 30 seconds going up each time by 10 seconds. Once you have reached 2 minutes hold the same posture and breathe normally. Wait about 30 seconds then start repeating the mantra:
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hum vi hum tum vi tum Waheguru,
I am by my myself Waheguru

This is a simple mantra that helps clear your mind of any thoughts. Because that is how a person starts indulging into a fantasy, first it is built in your mind and then the person’s body gets involved into that fantasy and the person is no longer in reality. Do not give up on the first try because the mind still can be all over the place thinking am I doing it right or not. Just relax and try to focus on your breathing and when you are doing the mantra focus on what you are saying and pace yourself no need to rush. Repeat the mantra for 5 minutes.
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consfused boy · #48 (**permalink**) 14-Jul-2008, 09:06 AM

Thank you very much.
See on one hand people are telling me its natural and normal to masturbate and have the urges. on the other they are giving me methods to stop doing it. to be honest I dont really want to stop doing it because I will probably go crazy trying to stop myself. and if I do stop for a long time I get wet dreams. which means those fluids are finding a way out one way or the other. I only masturbate once in a while and usually without porn but I just want to know if its okay with the man up there to do this. some people said its natural and that its normal so the man up there would have no problem. others say it is a sin and claim a whole lot of negative effects. I feel a lot of tension if I dont do it. I mean a lot. and I am a very active person. I am not speaking of masturbating to the point where its obssessive and crazy. others in this post said outright that its not a sin to masturbate. is there anyone else who can or wants to confirm that or deny it.
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Thank you for sharing with others this very touchy topic.

Aman Singh · #49 (**permalink**) 14-Jul-2008, 09:23 AM

There is a mention of word "semen" in Guru Granth Sahib Ji... you can search for this word in English translations here --> http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/English%20Tran...th%20Sahib.pdf
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Please search for word : semen, you will find this word at:

1. Panna : 63
2. Panna : 903
3. Panna : 906
4. Panna : 945
5. Panna : 1036
6. Panna : 1160

Canuck Singh · #50 (**permalink**) 20-Jul-2008, 18:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Sinister

Oh my friends,

We should not cringe at the discussion of sexuality (like school children). Masturbation is completely natural and without question, an integral and widespread practice. It is actually a healthy practice according to the medical field (you would be a freak if you hadn’t performed it).

Here is a list of scientific and medical journals (these are all journal articles from leading professional that you can look up on you own time):

The therapeutic effects of rational masturbation
Journal of Rational- Emotive and Cognitive-Behaviour Therapy
Volume 13, Number 3

Human Sperm Competition: Ejaculate Adjustment by Males and the Function of Masturbation
Sperm Competition in Humans (book)

journal of biomedical sciences

Endocrine response to masturbation-induced orgasm in healthy men following a 3-week sexual abstinence
World Journal of Urology
Publisher
Springer Berlin / Heidelberg
ISSN
0724-4983 (Print) 1433-8726 (Online)
Issue
Volume 19, Number 5 (2001)

This is just the tip of the ice-burg. There are countless other fields of study on masturbation. There are countless more articles by the medical field and they all come to a consensus that this is natural and normal. There is nothing to be ashamed of.

Masturbation is not something “you grow out of either”, you just replace it with sex. There have been many colourful attempts by the religious right and even some quack physicians that sadly try to pathologize masturbation (for there own personal gains). Masturbation is also individualistic in nature; some people do it more than others and it is normal in any case unless you feel you cannot do without it in any scenario.

Only certain kinds of people masturbate.

Survey research debunks this myth that only certain people masturbate. Whether you are 19 or 99, religious and conservative or secular and liberal, whether you are a parent, grandparent, uncle or aunt, whether you get around on your own two legs or use a wheelchair, scooter, crutches, or roller-skates to get around, almost everyone has masturbated at some point in their lives, and most of us continue to do so.

We have to learn to embrace sexuality.

I am sorry, I have to argue that this is absolute bs.

The research is unequivocal to say the least what harm/benefit is apparent from this behaviour.

Significant side-effects were specifically mentioned by the original poster. Including depression, hormonal changes, and other things I will avoid stating here.

Here are some issues that I have with this argument which I will when I have time back with Neuro-endocrine and biochemical reasoning:

- does influence depression
- affects the neuro-endocrine axis and hormone pathways
- induces premature coming
- affects relationships
- can lead to onset of balding
- can influence optimum testosterone production
- can lead to self inflicted harm/abrasion
- can negatively affect the psyche causing increase anxiety/illness

Additionally:
-> Effect of Overstimulation
Overstimulation of the mind-body, affects the brain/nervous bioelectric circuit breaker, the exhaustion of the hypothalamus-pituitary-adrenal/-testicular axis, very possibly or likely including the hypothalamus-pituitary-thyroid dysfunction too, resulting from the Nervous Excitotoxicity and Inflammation induced by excessive norepinephrine, epinephrine and glutamate (& other excitory neurohormones, for a short-term pleasure reward and the long-term dopamine depletion) and Prostaglandin E2! The hypothalamus-pituitary-adrenal (HPA) exhaustion results in the erratic release of CRH (corticotropin releasing hormone), POMC (proopinomelanocortin), ACTH (adrenocorticotropc hormone), ß-lipotropic hormone, ß-endorphin, α-melanocyte-stimulating hormone (α-MSH), ß-MSH, CA (catecholamines) and TSH (thyroid stimulation hormone), in response to stress, sex and environmental/dyshomeostatic stimuli. Since skin and hair follicles also display a functional equivalent of the HPA axis, sexual exhaustion will also extensively affect your skin (for examples: darkening skins in certain areas such as eye cycles, nips, foreskin, perineum and groins, due to excessive release or trapping of the POMC peptide α-MSH which is also an anti-inflammatory and immunomodulating hormone - anti-tissue abrasion!) and the hair (for examples: hair loss in the scalp and gray hair, but it won't grow hair in your palms although it will destroy your HPA axis.)

--> Effect of Porno
One may experience: Exhaustion with excessive norepinephrine, epinephrine, glutamate and histamine release for headaches, anxiety, stress, no concentration (ADD, attention deficiency disorder?) , eye redness, low energy, fatigue, and going limp. Overproduction of androgen hormones, causing adrenal and sex organ fatigue.muscles and joints become very tight and rigid upon release. An extremely exhausted adrenal function can cause an extreme low level of DHEA and cortisol, resulting in fatigue and pains throughout the body, including the back.

--> Effect of Self pleasure
This has additional far reaching effects that even Dr.s and mainstream individuals don't realise. Can hyperactivate the enzyme Monoamine oxidases (MAO) for dopamine-DOPAL conversion , where DOPAL stands for 3,4-dihydroxyphenylacetaldehyde. DOPAL is a potent neurotoxin to cause Parkinson's-like brain lesions, and its resulted cognitive impairment is very similar to autism. In addition to DOPAL, norepinephine and epinephrine can be converted to 3,4-dihydroxyphenylglycoaldehyde (DOPEGAL) by MAO too. DOPEGAL has been found to trigger apoptosis and cause the loss of CNS neurons. Therefore, the synergic destructive effects of both DOPAL and DOPEGAL accelerates death of nerve cells, as seen in SIDS (sudden infant death syndrome), Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s disease, and dysfunctional disorders of development and aging.

In summary: Laiman's terms...
- Any type of sexual activity (pornography, self pleasing, etc.) can cause the following effects.
* Premature *&^*&^# (you know what)
* Anxiety
* Indirect Hairloss (over long term)
* Depressive symptoms, and disease like symptoms (Alzheimers Parkinsons - over a longer term)
* Pain symtoms, low back or other
* Lethargy or Apathy towards life
* Inability to arouse (when married for example)
* Chronic imbalance in hormones
* Chronic parasympathetic innervation abrasion (nervous cell Axonotmesis - which is a term that describes damange to nerve endings).
* Impotence
* Prostatic Swelling
* ADDITION: STDs if one is promiscous can accentuate any of the above
* Damange to Adrenals or other Visceral Organs.
* *** THE LIST CAN GO ON AND ON.

So as per above I agree that any pre-maritcal obscenities can cause significant problems., And like some of the thread responses it does need to be discussed, because people may have these problems but not be willing to talk about it.

Now for one thing, don't get me wrong I am not saying that se* is bad. What I am stating from the above is the physiological effects of the acts stated. However, the same does not apply for married couples and I'll tell you why.

MARRIED COUPLES BENEFIT BECAUSE:
* The heart rate is raised sufficiently to induce an appropriate cellular environment and protein turnover rate for appropriate hormone production and functioning
* Abrasion is unlikely preventing Nervous damage
* Normal patterns of Neuro input occur (arousal, hormone release) and early coming is not influenced. *The body is a biomechanical, engineered machine, it can run optimally if it does what it is designed to do.
* Appropriate nerves are stimulated, as well as hormone release (oxytocin) to enhanced the Love between married people (This is why I mention Married people, as multiple partners has the issue of STDs - which I wont discuss here, and the nervous system is not negatively stimulated by stress hormones due to lack of commitment, or if a person perceives it to be taboo etc.)

TO SUMMARISE:
- Pornography, self excitement, and over stimulation lead to a host of neuro-endocrinological problems that MOST people will not be willing to share or talk about because it is a touchy issue, and becaue of the Internet and Promicuity of people today and POOR Advice people are going to PRIVATELY SUFFER.
- Sexual excitement of any kind is perfectly okay when shared between a Loving couple.

IF ANYONE HAS experienced any problems due to the above, please send me a private message and I will explain solutions (which even your Dr's won't be able to tell you) to over come Stress related, or other issues. *** I AM A HEALTH PROFESSIONAL AND SCIENTIST - no Lie I am willing to explain any of my statements, and to post Evidence if required. If you want to talk about anything in confidence I will show you solutions to overcome what can manifest into a chronic problem, possibly influencing a person's married life further down the road.

Canuck Singh · #51 (**permalink**) 20-Jul-2008, 18:55 PM

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Originally Posted by consfused boy

Thank you very much.
See on one hand people are telling me its natural and normal to masturbate and have the urges. on the other they are giving me methods to stop doing it. to be honest I dont really want to stop doing it because I will probably go crazy trying to stop myself. and if I do stop for a long time I get wet dreams. which means those fluids are finding a way out one way or the other. I only masturbate once in a while and usually without porn but I just want to know if its okay with the man up there to do this. some people said its natural and that its normal so the man up there would have no problem. others say it is a sin and claim a whole lot of negative effects. I feel a lot of tension if I dont do it. I mean a lot. and I am a very active person. I am not speaking of masturbating to the point where its obssessive and crazy. others in this post said outright that its not a sin to masturbate. is there anyone else who can or wants to confirm that or deny it.
Thank you for sharing with others this very touchy topic.

Dear Ji

Please allow some time to read my above post. What you are setting yourself up for now is significant para-sympathetic nervous system issues that you will eventually resort to drugs to resolve. Forget the part about whether it is a sin or not, and listen closely. If you want to have a fulfilling and loving relationship in the future you will benefit from avoiding this activity. You will influence your hormonal pathways, and you will cause problems such as premature coming, influence of hair loss amongst other issues. You will wonder what is going no and you will look towards doctor's for advice, and they do not know how to solve these issues, and you will be given drugs and then you will look for external aids, which will just cause greater problems down the line.

Please take time to send me a personal message and I will provide you with natural and holistic measures to overcome these issues and prevent further deterioration of your neuro-endocrine axis. Causing greater problems unbeknowest to you or any of these self proclaimed experts who are giving you illegitimate advice.

Regards

Jaspreet08 · #52 (**permalink**) 20-Jul-2008, 20:13 PM

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa
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Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh,

My 2 cents on the topic:
- From personal experience I've found that the more you try to control these urges - the worse off you become. You create enormous internal pressure. It is better to see them and feel them as natural part of being human. Try honor them, instead of simply going with them.
- Secondly, I don't think it is a sin to masturbate. But as some mentioned earlier in a post - it can lead to host of poor decisions or "sins". I cannot speak for anyone else, but I for one am not spiritually developed enough where I can simply do it, and not be attached it. The same for sex - it is a natural, very fun experience, but we - spiritually underdeveloped people - get so attached to the experience that it can lead to harm for ourselves or our partner.
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- Try to go slow, my friend. Be easy on yourself. Ask the Infinitely Merciful Creator for strength.

Jaspreet

Canuck Singh · #53 (**permalink**) 20-Jul-2008, 20:21 PM

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- From personal experience I've found that the more you try to control these urges - the worse off you become. You create enormous internal pressure. It is better to see them and feel them as natural part of being human. Try honor them, instead of simply going with them.

In regards to this whole situation, I would not say that the solution is to 'control' these urges. However, if anyone distrusts the science, the research, the nature towards being happy and healthy, go ahead and try it. You will drive yourself into a hole, and it will get deeper and deeper. It is unsafe for anyone on this thread to encourage or say that such behavior is healthy. Because it is not, as it will lead to real physical problems.

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- Secondly, I don't think it is a sin to masturbate. But as some mentioned earlier in a post - it can lead to host of poor decisions or "sins". I cannot speak for anyone else, but I for one am not spiritually developed enough where I can simply do it, and not be attached it. The same for sex - it is a natural, very fun experience, but we - spiritually underdeveloped people - get so attached to the experience that it can lead to harm for ourselves or our partner.

Again not questioning the Spiritual nature of the question at hand. Nature is Pure and honest, and the human physiology is designed to be in its natural stable form. Even the way we breathe when we breathe 'unnaturally' alters our physiology causing stress, anxiety and dysfunction. Once again, no one here is able to physically prevent others from doing harm but here is an analogy. Once individuals thought that Smoking had no harm or consequence, the state of the diseased individuals says otherwise. What was commonly thought as good is now deemed destructive. The same goes with the harmful effects of alcohol, contributing to diseases such as alzhemiers, peripheral neuropathies, parkinsons, disrupting pregnancy amongst others. The same goes with self pleasuring, it is not natural and it will cause physiological changes in the brain, in the hormones of the body which will in the long run cause more harm than good, including all the above listed issues

ikebalsingh · #54 (**permalink**) 30-Jul-2008, 07:12 AM

HI abc.def

Human nature is same as ur id name. It will go smoothly then it makes little turn and becomes blank at dot and then again start smoothly for a while. Thats why if u read guru granth sahib ji it also talks about human dual nature.

Sometimes he is animal full with kam, krodh, lobh, moh n hankaar and sometimes he is timid deer. Fearful of god after he comes in contact with some worldly activities like
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Seeing death of someone
His senses react n says to him. "Hey this is truth. We all have to end here."

Waiting for a examination result

He goes to gurudwara with a demand."Hey god plz give me good grades"

.......Etc.,Etc Examples are unending.

So overall he is animal as well as human. But do u know what differentiate us from animal. Its only the controlling power with in us. As a human we will think about keeping food for someone but as animal we wont. As animal is the time when ur self or ur human form is being overtaken by Maya of the world. This is the time when u have to fight within urself. This is the time when power of control comes in use.
I know its hard to do that bt atleast we can try n we will suceed in using that energy somewhere else.
Kind regards
iqbal singh