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Is interest payments against the Sikh religion?

In reguards to male/female sex, is oral sex allowed?. anal sex?

Is smoking cigerettes against the sikh religion?

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Re: Interest payments

Is interest payments against the Sikh religion?

>>>>>>>Khalsa is a close knit community, where everyone has to work (kirt Karni) Share (wand Chakna) and remember God (Naam Japna).

If we were to follow the ideals of Khalsa, there would not arise a situation of money lending with interest.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/1560-interest-payments.html

Sikhi instead of addressing all permutations and combinatins gives you a way of life which avoides all such siutation to arise in the first place.



In reguards to male/female sex, is oral sex allowed?. anal sex?

>>>>>>>>In sikhism one is to consummate with one's spouse only.

Personally I think Oral sex is Ok .. as in nature even animals indulge in it.

Anal Sex on the other hand is very uncommon.. so i think it is not allowed.

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Is smoking cigerettes against the sikh religion?

>>>>>Yes. smoking, drinking and taking drugs are not allowed in sikhi. In fact eating and drinking anything which can lead our mind astray and cloud our thinking is forbidden

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Sikhi instead of addressing all permutations and combinatins gives you a way of life which avoides all such siutation to arise in the first place.
can you please elaborate a little more?
Interest is very common in modern day society, what if a sikh needs to borrow money from a bank?.. is it a sin for him/her to accept it with interest?

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Yes. smoking, drinking and taking drugs are not allowed in sikhi. In fact eating and drinking anything which can lead our mind astray and cloud our thinking is forbidden
I smoke and smoking doesn't make my mind go astray and cloud my thinking.
AND MANY smokers will tell you that.

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Anal Sex on the other hand is very uncommon.. so i think it is not allowed
so becuase its uncommon its not allowed?..then again that seems like your OPINION

can someone give a definate yes/no answer with a REASON
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anyone?, i'm very interested... i would be very thankful if a answer was provided (yes/no) with a logical reason behind it...
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Hi Platinum007

Firstly I’d like to say how good it is to see some new faces and hear some fresh ideas.

Now down to business. I think the main reason you don't get replies for some of the questions you ask is because, for a Gursikh, these questions are meaningless, or more to the point irrelevant. Let me explain.

The only goal in a Sikh's life (and a very precious and fragile life it is) to be able to merge with the formless, see God and become one with God.
The Guru Granth Sahib is our guide for this.

Anything which can detract from this goal is basically considered un-sikhi.
Some things are outright banned, others frowned upon and the rest left to your own intelligence.

A Sikh must adhere to some basic tenants, some can be rationalised by our own meagre intelligence, and other things must be taken on faith.

A Sikh must adhere to 3 basic rules of living: -
Naam Japna (Always remember God)
Kirat Karna (Live a honest Life and to earn your living with honest labour)
Vand Chakna (Share these earnings with others who are less fortunate)


Along with the above, we also have the tenant of maintaining the external appearance i.e. 5k's (as ordained by Guru Gobind Singh Ji) and by reciting (I suppose reciting is a bad word, how about learning, understanding and living) a set of prayers (morning, evening and night) as a minimum requierment.

There are 4 cardinal sins (absolute don’ts)
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=1560
(1) Forcible Removal of Body Hair
(2) Consumption of Tobacco/Drugs/Alcohol or other Intoxicants (and yes tobacco is specifically included)
(3) Adultery
(4) Consumption of Halal (and any Sacrificial) meat


Anything more than this, the answer either lies within the Guru Granth Sahib or our own knowledge/intelligence.

Sikhi lists 5 sins that need to be controlled and as an ultimate aim, eliminated.
Kaam - Lust
Krodh - Anger
Lobh - Greed
Moh - Worldly attachment (to anything, property, money, family , spouse etc)
Hankar - Ego

Of all of these, Hankar is the most important, since almost every sin leads to a root of Ego. Once "self" can be eliminated, the rest of them disappear and you are well on the way to spiritual enlightenment.


So in answer to some of the questions you've put: -

Smoking - absolutely forbidden (even if it wasn't, it is bad for you, takes you no closer to God so has no place in a Sikh's life).
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=1560

Paying interest on money - irrelevant. Has no relevance to taking you closer to or further from God. Almost everyone needs a mortgage to even get a roof over his or her heads (unless they have a rich family!).

Anal Sex - is a desire, part of Kaam, thus has no place in a Sikh's life.


The rest I leave to you. Judge for yourself....rather than asking what is "allowed" why not ask..

What actions/questions/pursuits of life will bring me closer to God?


Hope this helps.
(i apologise in advance for any mistakes and misleading facts)

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Anal Sex - is a desire, part of Kaam, thus has no place in a Sikh's life.
No, it is form of expressing love when in stable loving relationship, along with oral and vaginal sex.

Sikhs are individuals. Such ideas as sex for procreation only is not part of Sikhism, it is part of Hinduism... it is also a type of fast, however, addiction to sex and sex outside of marriage is frowned upon. Also, snogging/french kissing, oral sex, anal sex are sodomy which is prohibited in Islam, but again Sikhism is individual so it is allowed within marriage only and not to become addicted to and obsessed with.
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No, it is form of expressing love when in stable loving relationship, along with oral and vaginal sex.

.... it is allowed within marriage only and not to become addicted to and obsessed with.
Lets just call this a difference of opinion then.
I agree that once it becomes an obsession, that's completely wrong but I see love and sex as 2 distinct entities. One does not necessarily imply the other.

2 people can love but never have the urge to have sex. The sexual urge is just that...an urge, not a requirement.

Once a person has fully tasted the divine sweetness of Naam, everything else pales in comparison. Sex then falls to the role of allowing procreation. Not because you have been told or because it's a Sikh or Hindu "thing", but because you have no more need of it. The urge has been extinguished.

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but because you have no more need of it. The urge has been extinguished.
I agree but such a state is very hard for mankind to achieve and hence religion settles this by giving laws of justification for sex, these being - emotion [love], moderation [not too frequently] and modesty [marriage, not in public or in front of others].
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GushK thank you kindly as for the smoking one can argue that eating deep oil fried food is just as bad as smoking?.. so if smoking is bad for my health does that mean a sikh should not do anything else thats bad for his/her health?..like the food example i just provided.

"Paying interest on money - irrelevant. Has no relevance to taking you closer to or further from God. Almost everyone needs a mortgage to even get a roof over his or her heads (unless they have a rich family!)." thats true, but having interest payment only adds berdon on the person pay it back. Why cause another human to go through such stress??.. wouldn't that lead me future away from God?
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2 people can love but never have the urge to have sex. The sexual urge is just that...an urge, not a requirement
according to science when two humans fall in love chemicals in the brain are released that influence the body to engage into sexual intercourse.
So sex very well falls hand in hand with love... its possible to live a sexless life while in love but then your just fighting these NATURAL desires that God "programmed" into us.
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