Is it necessary to understand entire Bani?

Hello Onkar ji,
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Congratulations for managiong yourself. Do not think that you have no parents. He is father of all of us. Kindly complete your studies and concentrate on keeping your schedules of 'Paath'. When you are thru your examinations you may get enough time to understand Gurbani. Right noe as told by other friends please cautious of your company. Why do not you seek admission in IITs in India.These are very valuable even in US. Any Mtech from IIT will be worth 70/80 K USd. may be in touch with me for further guidance.
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I think the urge to know Gurmatand Gurbani comes with time. no one thrust upon other which some one cannot do or is not willing to do. Onkar ji will also get some inspiration some time when he grows up.

WJKK WJKF,

AS GURBANI SUGGESTS………..

BASED ON YOUR KARMA OF PREVIOUS LIVES, YOUR DESTINY FOR THIS PRESENT LIFE IS EMBOSSED ON TO YOUR SOUL EVEN BEFORE YOU ARE BORN. YOU ARRIVE IN THIS WORLD LOADED WITH THE DESTINY BLESSED TO YOUR SOUL, AND DO LIKEWISE. NO POWER ON THIS EARTH CAN CHANGE YOUR DESTINY BUT THE SUPREME LORD. WHAT HAS TO BE DONE TO ACHIEVE’S HIS LOVE IS ANOTHER TOPIC ALL TOGETHER.

IF YOU ARE DESTINED TO FOLLOW THE RIGHT PATH OF LIFE, THEN YOU WILL BE GRANTED SUCH IDEAL CIRCUMSTANCES (AS NAVROOP SINGHJI SUGGESTS) LIKE THE RIGHT FAMILY, THE RIGHT FRIENDS, THE RIGHT RELATIVES ETC. BELIEVE ME IN TODAY’S WORLD BEING BORN IN A GURSIKH FAMILY IS INDICATION ENOUGH THAT YOU HAVE BEEN GRANTED THE RIGHT PATH OF LIFE, BECAUSE GURU NANAK’S RELIGION IS THE MOST ASSURED, UNSOPHISTICATED AND SIMPLEST PATH TOWARDS THE ATTAINING OF LIFE’S GOAL (BECOMING ONE WITH THE SUPREME BEING). YOU CAN’T IMAGINE HOW LUCKY YOU ARE TO BE BORN A SIKH.
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VICE-VERSA IF YOU ARE DESTINED TO BE DUMPED, THEN ALL THROUGHOUT YOUR LIFE YOU SHALL DO ONLY BAD DEEDS AND NOT EVEN REGRET THEM. IF YOU MEET SUCH PEOPLE (AND BELIEVE ME THEY ARE APLENTY) GET THE HELL AWAY FROM THEM AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

COMING BACK TO ONKAR SINGJI’S UNIVERSAL PROBLEM OF NOT HAVING ENOUGH TIME TO STUDY THE Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, AND THUS NOT BEEN ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THE MEANING OF WHAT HE IS RECITING (DOING PATH MECHANICALLY)………………..

THE TERM “MECHANICALLY” SUGGESTS BOREDOM AND MELANCHOLY. AS IF ONE IS JUST GOING THROUGH THE MOTIONS, WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT ALL THIS PATH RECITING SHALL LEAD UP TO.
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NOW LET ME TELL YOU WHAT GURBANI HAS TO SAY ABOUT THIS MATTER – “GAAVIYE SUNIYE MAAN RAKHIYE BHAV” I.E RECITING THE BANI, LISTENING TO IT ATTENTIVELY AND BY UNDERSTANDING IT TRYING TO SHAPE YOUR LIFE ACCORDING TO THE GURU’S TEACHINGS. HERE I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION THAT ALL THE BHAGATS SITTING INSIDE THE Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji ARE ALL ILLETERATE AS THEY ARE MOSTLY OF LOWER CASTE AND IN THOSE TIMES, THE LOWER CASTES WERE PROHIBITED FROM EDUCATION OF ANY SORT. ALL OF THEM ACHIEVED GOD BY MEDITATING ON THE NAAM WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING WHAT IT MEANT, AND THE HOLY WORDS THAT WERE UTTERED BY THEM (WHICH ARE INSCRIBED IN THE Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji) ARE THE WORDS OF GOD HIMSELF, BECAUSE THAT STATE OF MIND IS IN TUNE WITH PARAMAATMA HIMSELF, AND HE SPEAKS THROUGH THEM.

THE Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji STRESSES ON LISTENING TO THE BANI UNLIKE OTHER RELIGIONS LIKE HINDUISM WHICH STRESS ON RECITING AND SINGING THE MANTRAS.

WHY HAS SO MUCH STRESS BEEN LAID ON LISTENING ? BECAUSE OUR SOUL THROUGH THE AGES HAS BEEN GOING BLAH,BLAH………… IT HAS MADE IT A HABIT OF SPEAKING, SPEAKING AND ONLY SPEAKING. IT NEVER LISTENS BECAUSE IT’S HAUGTINESS (AAHANKAR) PREVENTS IT FROM DOING SO. ONCE YOU LET GO OF YOUR AAHANKAR, THE PROCESS OF LISTENING AUTOMATICALLY TICKS. WHEN YOU ACHIEVE SUCH A STATE, AND WHEN DURING NAAM-SIMRAN YOU ACTUALLY LISTEN TO EACH UTTERANCE………….. THIS IS WHEN THE PROCESS OF SPIRITUAL CLEANSING STARTS.

SO INSTEAD OF TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE BANI, TRY TO LISTEN TO THE PATH YOU RECITE AND THE NAAM-SIMRAN YOU DO. THAT WILL MAKE THINGS HAPPEN FOR YOU.

yes, the above seems fine.

With having too much intense quality to know about the thing open the way how we can have a knowledge about the thing. as a child does not know how to speak but he learn to speak and understand.So with a strong will to real meanings of path it's only proper way.
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As a child understand the language of his father mother like that our love devotion to Guru can make us to realize the essence of gurbani. Do your with deep love and try to understand what is coming out. Only study of meaning can not help you much but it can show some initial steps.
Which time you have recite Gurbani though it may be one Shbad.After some time you will have so much realization of Gurbani. Live in the sangat of those who recite gurbani it also help you to know more.

I once heard katha from a very wise man from Thailand. One thing he said struck me hard and has remained with me since:

Imagine your grandfather. You put him in a corner and tell him I will bow to you and give you nice clothes but will not listen to you. So you just sit there and look good and give me blessings but don't expect me to follow the advice you give me. That is how we are treating our Guru, the Guru Granth Sahib Ji!

Without understanding and following the writings of Gurbani, we will struggle to lead a Gursikh life. Try and read even 1 pauri a day slowly and with translations and slowly the understanding will come. There are many excellent resources around such as www.srigranth.org where you can simultaneously show English translation and Prof Sahib Singh's teeka. Prof Sahib Singh explains things word by word in simple Panjabi so it gives a much better understanding than English. There are many vichaar recordings out there. Perhaps start with Japji and Asa Ki Vaar as both contain such fundamental concepts they are vital pieces of work. Even after many months I'm still studying them! However, if reciting paath without understanding gives you peace then don't stop. But slowly understand in addition. I personally find my mind wanders when I don't understand.

The Guru's gave us simplified language and encouraged the common man to learn for him/herself so that we won't be exploited by "religious men". Unfortunately this practice is creeping back, for example hiring paathis to do akhand paath's rather than taking part yourself. That is exactly what Guru Nanak Dev Ji didn't want. There are a number of shabads in Gurbani which encourage understanding rather than parrot fashion recital (though that is a good start so don't stop paath completely), and I'll attempt to share some with you.

Awsw mhlw 1 ]
lyK AsMK iliK iliK mwnu ]
min mwinAY scu suriq vKwnu ]
kQnI bdnI piV piV Bwru ]
lyK AsMK AlyKu Apwru ]1]
AYsw swcw qUM eyko jwxu ]
jMmxu mrxw hukmu pCwxu ]1] rhwau ]
aasaa mehalaa 1 ||
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laekh asa(n)kh likh likh maan ||
man maaniai sach surath vakhaan ||
kathhanee badhanee parr parr bhaar ||
laekh asa(n)kh alaekh apaar ||1||
aisaa saachaa thoo(n) eaeko jaan ||
ja(n)man maranaa hukam pashhaan ||1|| rehaao ||

There are so many writings yet just reading or writing again and again is useless unless we understand the Truth and accept his will (p412)


mÚ 1 ]
piV pusqk sMiDAw bwdM ]
isl pUjis bgul smwDM ]
muiK JUT ibBUKx swrM ]
qRYpwl iqhwl ibcwrM ]
gil mwlw iqlku illwtM ]
duie DoqI bsqR kpwtM ]
jy jwxis bRhmM krmM ]
siB Pokt inscau krmM ]
khu nwnk inhcau iDAwvY ]
ivxu siqgur vwt n pwvY ]2]
ma 1 ||
parr pusathak sa(n)dhhiaa baadha(n) ||
sil poojas bagul samaadhha(n) ||
mukh jhoot(h) bibhookhan saara(n) ||
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thraipaal thihaal bichaara(n) ||
gal maalaa thilak lilaatta(n) ||
dhue dhhothee basathr kapaatta(n) ||
jae jaanas brehama(n) karama(n) ||
sabh fokatt nisacho karama(n) ||
kahu naanak nihacho dhhiaavai ||
vin sathigur vaatt n paavai ||2||

This shabad is attacking false rituals that do not bring people closer to God but increase falsehood. In the last of rituals is mentioned reciting Gayatri 3 times a day. If your actions go against the essence of the prayer what have you learnt? Anyone who understands God knows these rituals are false (p 470)

piV piV pMifq joqkI vwd krih bIcwru ]
miq buiD BvI n buJeI AMqir loB ivkwru ]
lK caurwsIh Brmdy BRim BRim hoie KuAwru ]
pUrib iliKAw kmwvxw koie n mytxhwru ]3]
sqgur kI syvw gwKVI isru dIjY Awpu gvwie ]
sbid imlih qw hir imlY syvw pvY sB Qwie ]
pwris prisAY pwrsu hoie joqI joiq smwie ]
ijn kau pUrib iliKAw iqn sqguru imilAw Awie ]4]
parr parr pa(n)ddith jothakee vaadh karehi beechaar ||
math budhh bhavee n bujhee a(n)thar lobh vikaar ||
lakh chouraaseeh bharamadhae bhram bhram hoe khuaar ||
poorab likhiaa kamaavanaa koe n maettanehaar ||3||
sathagur kee saevaa gaakharree sir dheejai aap gavaae ||
sabadh milehi thaa har milai saevaa pavai sabh thhaae ||
paaras parasiai paaras hoe jothee joth samaae ||
jin ko poorab likhiaa thin sathagur miliaa aae ||4||

Pandits, religious scholars and asrologers read their textx and argue about them but they don't UNDERSTAND as they have too much greed and corruption. They remain confused through 8.4million lives. To join with God you must experience the Guru. This can only be done by becoming selfless and understanding the Shabad (p27)

isrIrwgu mhlw 1 Gru 5 ]
ACl ClweI nh ClY nh Gwau ktwrw kir skY ]
ijau swihbu rwKY iqau rhY iesu loBI kw jIau tl plY ]1]
ibnu qyl dIvw ikau jlY ]1] rhwau ]
poQI purwx kmweIAY ] Bau vtI iequ qin pweIAY ]
scu bUJxu Awix jlweIAY ]2]
iehu qylu dIvw ieau jlY ]
kir cwnxu swihb qau imlY ]1] rhwau ]
iequ qin lwgY bwxIAw ]
suKu hovY syv kmwxIAw ]
sB dunIAw Awvx jwxIAw ]3]
ivic dunIAw syv kmweIAY ]
qw drgh bYsxu pweIAY ]
khu nwnk bwh lufweIAY ]4]33]
sireeraag mehalaa 1 ghar 5 ||
ashhal shhalaaee neh shhalai neh ghaao kattaaraa kar sakai ||
jio saahib raakhai thio rehai eis lobhee kaa jeeo ttal palai ||1||
bin thael dheevaa kio jalai ||1|| rehaao ||
pothhee puraan kamaaeeai || bho vattee eith than paaeeai ||
sach boojhan aan jalaaeeai ||2||
eihu thael dheevaa eio jalai ||
kar chaanan saahib tho milai ||1|| rehaao ||
eith than laagai baaneeaa ||
sukh hovai saev kamaaneeaa ||
sabh dhuneeaa aavan jaaneeaa ||3||
vich dhuneeaa saev kamaaeeai ||
thaa dharageh baisan paaeeai ||
kahu naanak baah luddaaeeai ||4||33||

This is a stunning shabad about how the undeceivable cannot be deceived. It talks about how we should use the Shabad as the oil for a candle and our faith should be the wick. Without understanding the truth how can the candle be lit? Only when lit can we meet Waheguru. The body that does seva is forever in peace and you will find joy. So without understanding the shabad, we would not know the instructions to do seva and why it is so important! (p25)


I could go on but I'm sure you're tired. Anyone who has made it this far, well done! I feel understanding is important as otherwise we will be deceived rather than becoming undeceivable! There is so much misinformation out there and so many bad influences, so unless you know what gurbani tells you then how can you protect yourself from that by doing the right thing? There is a reason we're called Sikhs (learners) and not Hindus (no offence to Hindus but its a different way of thinking).

If I have made any mistakes in my interpretations please correct me. I am still learning!
Jasleen Kaur

Dear Onkar ji,
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I appriciate your acedemic achievments and frank description about yourself.But why are you so confused about your sikhi status.Its just your mindset which needs to be more strong.You are clear about going abroad for your future but not clear about maintaining sikhi?

As a few learned forum members have suggested,reading bani is more easier than your volumunous books and thesis of your degree course,everything is achieved step-by-step.You never finished your BTech books in std nursery....you graduated slowly and slowly.The same applies to bani also.Start with japji saheb....to panj bani....to other banis as per your convinience...develop patience and liking...rest Guru will take care of.
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But as per me the only thing you need is clear and strong thought process....not a confused head.

All d best.

Actually the Guru's were highly educated! Guru Nanak Dev Ji studied many religious texts and languages as a boy. On his travels he would have met people from all walks of life and I'm sure been keen to learn from them as much as to teach. Understanding people puts you in a better position to get your message across! The other Guru's were also educated. Education in those times followed a different pattern to our modern day schools and was often focussed around religion. The Guru's understanding however, stretched beyond what was taught to them.

Many of the other writers of bani would also had education from religious teachers or schools at the time otherwise they would not have reached their respected positions.

ONKAR Ji.
Gurbaani is for Reading,for Listening and for Singing.Understandind will be given by SATi GURu Ji and this can happen at any time of Reading ,Listening or Singing. So remain yourselfconnected with Gurbaani all the times.
Prakash.S.Bagga