Is Sikhism against People Who Use Their Minds?

i am debating on the other side with some people
they says that in sikhi why bad words are written for people which uses their own mind (manmukhs.)everybody cannot follow gurmat then why guru ji wrote bad words for them?
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Manmukh is one who follows own mind or ego.In us as whole world belong to God so Mind is not ours so Mind is of God and God only uses that.
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Yuo can ask those people that can they explain,what mind is? as per scince we have brain,while mind is more a sort of hypothication while as per Yoga mind is very small thing and somewhere near heart.
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when we die it leaves the body and is clubbed with soul so soul+ mind is individual spirit.When ego or mind is killed by mercy of Akal,we reach state of soul only and that is Akal and state is of alive while lving.Like mind we do not use our body but God uses the body and make it move and that body we thing as our own due to our mind/ego.

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but if someone don't beleive in god but living an honest and truthful life
the is he also a manmukh?after all we coudn't convince everyone about god.

It seems to me that the understanding of the terms "gurmukh" and "manmukh" have been somewhat misinterpreted.


First, let us start with the term "gurmukh".

"Gur" refers to "guru". "Mukh" refers to will.
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Whilst many have regarded the "gur" of "gurmukh" to be a reference to the discrete Guru (i.e. the ten human Gurus and the eleventh perpetual Guru, the Granth Sahib), my personal interpretations of the wirtings of gurbani have lead me to believe that the "gur" of "gurmukh" is, in fact, a reference to satgur (True Guru) or waheguru.
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Therefore, to live under "gurmukh" means to overcome the ego of believing that you have any real control over your life and to submit to the will of the Universe.

This doesn't necessarily mean that one should become amridhari (although if someone feels that this is their personal destiny, then they should not feel opposed to embracing it, since all our choices are the will of the Universe or waheguru), but simply that we should be aware that we are all a small part of a vast Cosmic Will that is and always will be out of our understanding and ultimate control. As such, we should go about our life duties (kirt) and raise our families (gristi jivan), but we should not repent over whatever choices waheguru has made for us, since everything is His anyway.

Therefore, this means that a "manmukh" is simply one who refuses to accept his subordinacy to the Universe, and believes that they are in ultimate control. They are, of course, free to believe this. But one should not carry such ego if they are not prepared to face the burden of defeat. Gurbani warns that those who choose to endure this burden will feel pain when fate appears on their doorstep and they are unable to accept it.

That is my view.

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Gurfateh

Well we have belivers with Duja Bhav ie thinking many things other then God.

Then we have Sakat,who is meant by one considering onself as capable to do any thing.Weather with or without Faith in God.

Sakat is derived from Shakti or power.Term Sakata in hindi means capable due to self power.

If God wants all can get salvation and after manifestation is back to Akal,all will be salvaged.

Yet if someone belvies that he is doing all,then state of Jivat Mukt is not there perhaps.

An honour, dear friend.

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Gurmukh is one that has killed his Mann. he has no ego and they have united with Waheguru. by doing simran one kills their Mann. this is the most highly regarded deed "Karam" by the Guru's " Prabh ka Simran Sab te Ucha." without dying you cannot find God "Bin MAnn Muye Kase Har PAi " ;if the Mann does not die how can you find God.

Also "Prab Ji Base Sadd Ki Rasna" that Waheguru himself comes and uses this body and speaks through a Gurmukh

EVERYONE else is a Manmukh. a manmukh will be punished and taken by the Jamm. a manmukh is doomed to be reincarnated over and over again.
personally my whole "gurmukh family" are really manmukhs. by Taking Amrit you are not a Gurmukh.
A manmukh performs deeds and actions by taking a Vichar "thought" or getting one. so if i want to go to the park today it is because i received a tought from the 5 thieves or Kal or my own Mann or other. if i do go to the park it is because Waheguru Willed it, but i did not get a direct hukam from Akal Purkh to go there. instead i recieved a Vichar and acted upon it.
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