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Old 29-Jun-2005, 16:44 PM
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I'm sure the 40 sevadaars who performed this are not out to hound and marginalise the less religious portions of the community.
As I understand from them, many attempts were made at contacting them and helping them understand, but no quarter was given.
The taking of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji was the "final straw", because they made no attempt to understand or compromise.

Respect and tolerance, as you say, are of utmost importance, gurbani stresses this time and time again.
But what respect and tolerance can people have for other faiths if they don't even have any towards their own?

They're not running around destroying peoples lives, and there are very few cases like this which come up.
They are just just trying to show those that if you want to be a Sikh, at least try to act like one.
Their target was not the really the wedding party but the corrupt organiser who continues to unshamedly "rent" Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji out.

Incidentally there is an Akal Takht Hukamnama explicitly stating that no weddings should take place outside of a Gurdwara.


The media knew full well exactly what happened, but they were out for their pint of blood. I mean what better way to sell papers?
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Ever since the Behzti play, they just look for a chance to pounce on our community.
The wording of every single article seemed to indicate a large mob rushing in, leaving destruction and havoc in thier wake.
This clearly wasn't the case, but the truth wouldn't make a good headline, would it?

What about all the good stuff that's been happening lately? I haven't seen a word in any papers about that.

What about the large peaceful 1984 rally/march that happened in London?
What about the constant campaigning by the Sikh Federation against the turban ban in France?
What about the Sikh lobby day, which will probably be attended by many of the Respect for Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji campaigners, to promote Sikh issues to government ministers?

nobody hears about any of these...

Though I do agree with you on many issues, the points which you have brought up ultimately point back to the sangat.
Gurdwaras can only turn into runaway money grabbing machines if the sangat let it or don't care enough to stop it.
At the end of a day, a granthi is not a priest, just another sevadaar, and it's the sangat's duty to take responsibility for their own gurdwara.
Even a dodgy management committee can be got rid of, if the people care enough to do anything about it.
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And that's the crux of the matter, many people don't care about religion, and don't want to know. So the problem gets worse.
It's easy to say something is wrong, but it takes a whole amount of courage to decide to do something about it.


It's with the actions of these sevadaars, that we can stop the rot from inside and make Gurdwaras an integral part of our community again.
It's only then, that we can provide a service to the whole spectrum of the Sikh community, that everyone can benefit from.

I have to say, not all gurdwaras are bad, actually the best ones are those which have no management committee at all, everyone is a sevadaar. no more, no less.

I live in the heart of Southall, but ever since I was little, we've always gone to a Gurdwara a few miles away.
I asked my father one day, why he chose this gurdwara rather than all the other closer ones.

His reply... "They have better principles and uphold the basic tenants of Sikhi."




 
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Old 29-Jun-2005, 17:25 PM
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Dear GushK

I am happy with your reply and wish there were more people in the community like you. I really appreciate you taking the time to clarify a few issues.
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As this is now in the open, it would be nice to give people who have booked a venue a small discretion. The real victims arent the venue holders but the people that are putting their hard earnt savings towards their daughters weddings.People getting married in say the next few months may not be able to manage a replacement option.
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I remember the days when wedding ceremonies took place in community centres because there wasnt no instances of gurdwara's. Maybe a PR inititive needs to be undertaken by gurdwara's to educate people.The way normal folk think is, why wasn't it a big deal back in the 1970's+-?
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Dear Punj Pyare ji

You have raised very essential point out the disscusion that currently we rae facing change of gurdwara functioning and most important serenity and environment of gurdwara this has been lately complain of many people

I also have given good time thinking about the issue but really no solution actually i think we are the one who visit gurudwara and so we are the one who makeup the environment of gurdwara if over the period of time it has changed then offcourse we are the one who have changed .

May be we now take little interest in issus of the ruuning of gurdwaras

May be we ourself have undergone change in the changing world to the extent that we want our religion to be tolerant towards our practices and we just want to progress at the pace of the prevailing world

May be we made ourself so distant fronm our religion that we are now dependant on the priestly class ( Bhai jis) which i hink was never meant to be there in our religion

May be we so afraid that our new generation would move away from sikhism as if there is hardly any thing in our religion that can attract mind and intellact of our new generation

well ther is no one answer we can give but I really liked your thought whenyou said

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i want there to be a whole spectrum of sikhs. From religious Gur-sikhs(Amrit) to others that use the teachings of sikhism for their daily life. Please do not marginalise the people that are not highly religious.
yes this the reality of the world every body is at different level of involvement in spirtual life and so there should wider spectrum and tolerant environment bu still the guiding pricipleshould be there and then offcourse then there will be some boundary lines some do amd some donts

now about the given situation if as said that there was Guru Ji Sarrop was planned to be there and subsequently alcohol was to be served then I think it crossed the lined and the offending party should be peacefully informed about that ( as they may be even unaware of what they are doing... ... as this present condition of sikhi) and matter resolved
And I also think that use of force and voilence in case is the thing that made you upset and I agree with you if it sio happened

And about the tolerance I think it is already enough of tolerance that so called to be sikhs (who ven dont even follow single act of faith ) are allowed to do anand karaj in presense of GUruji saroop ( I just think in parallel way that was it possible when our guru ji was in the form human that some body proclaming himself to be sikh dared do anand karaj in guruji hazoori with out evenfollowing the basic tenets of sikhi )

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It is fair that a comprimise had tried to be reached, but it is not a widely known fact before the papers actually published the news. The vast amount of society will think we are worse than the muslims(whereas we are more tolerant to all a persons beliefs).
totally agree with you on this the possible way out is we need to be more sensible and diplomatic in handling such issues and secondaly we have stronger presense in international media

Any singh ji forgive me if I have said any thing inappropiate you post was really thought provocingi just felt like sharing my thoughts

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I really don't understand this campaign "respect for Guruji".

A bunch of lunatics raiding peoples weddings and houses to rescue copies of the Guru Granth Sahib ji? Sound pretty medieval to me.

If you ask me its the people who are doing this "recuing" that need rescuing"
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Randip ji..they need/want/require ?? the respect...and in their own way they are trying to get it...
They forget..RESPECT is EARNED..not enforced.
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i agree just want to add a gurbani line:
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mMdr imtI sMdVy pQr kIqy rwis jIau ]
hau eynI tolI BulIAsu iqsu kMq n bYTI pwis jIau ]

This is why ... we all run to the so called gurthwara when the gurbani's guruthwara is inside of you "dasum dhovar" instead of sitting down teaching our children what the true meanings are ...we all go to this building and go for social get together....that is what it is ...
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