Beef eating in Sikhism

Ek Oankar Wahiguru Ji Ki Fateh

Das wants to say that yes he eats beef.

And it was decided on 14/08/2004 evening in meeting between many a Sikhs that Sikhs must eat beef.This is an ample proof that we are not Hindus.
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well my own opinion is that we should not eat any meat, as we should be peaceful to mankind. If any ones gonna bring up that Guroo Ji used to hunt then I will not deny that he hunted but not for his taste but to give the animal mukti. I f anyones gonna mention how singhs ate meat in battle,think about it they were in a life or death situation,nowadays is anyone in alife or death situation wen they goe down to kfc or mcdonalds.
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bhull chuk maaf.

Beef is another source of meat. And meat is a non-issue in Sikhi.

Yes, you can eat beef. Yes, you can eat meat.

http://www.sikhlionz.com/donoteatmeat.htm
EATING MEAT? WHY NOT? I'LL TELL YOU WHY NOT...

Bhagat Kabir ji states: Oh Kabir, the dinner of beans and rice flavoured with rice is acceptable But who is prepared to have his throat cut [in the hereafter] for the hunted animal. [1374]

It is a disturbing thought that many Sikhs believe that to attain spiritual enlightenment one can continue to tuck into a juicy steak, that the pain and suffering of the animal is separate to the succulent roast chicken on the table, that the cutting of the animals life force will not have a direct effect on their own 'karmic account '. Eating meat of ANY type is prohibited for a Sikh. Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji) makes various references to meat . The reason the Gurus went hunting was not for pleasure or the need to satisfy their taste buds, they were above this , it was to settle long overdue 'accounts' to release the souls of the poor unfortunate animals who may have wronged in the past, to grant them Mukti / salvation. There is a story of Guru Gobind Singh Ji who sent out his falcon to hunt an animal, once caught Guru Ji watched as the Baaj tore into the animals flesh. Asked by one of his Sikhs what was the reasoning behind this Guru ji stated that in a previous life the animal had borrowed some money from the Baaj and swore on Akal Purakhs name that he would pay it back, he never did, now was pay back time. There are many instances like this which illustrates that the Gurus were not hunting for meat but to save these souls from the continuous cycle of birth and death. In two Hukkhamnamas of Sri Guru Har Gobind Sahib Ji there are clear cut instructions prohibiting the eating of meat, fish etc. The actual words are

"Maas machhi de nerrey nahai jawnaa" Dr Gopal Singh in his History of the Sikh People. " In the Gurus kitchen (or Guru Ka Langar) meat dishes are not to be served, Giani Sher Singh in his Philosophy of Sikhism. "Kabir held the doctrine of Ahinsa or non-destruction of life, which even extended to his followers. The Sikh Gurus, on the contrary allowed and even encouraged the use of animal flesh for food.."??? Does the author go on to expand on this , does he give any evidence for this, No he does not!. Again pure conjecture and speculation from people with hidden agendas. One should step back and think for a moment what is being said here. The Gurus were pure souls, Sikhs believe them to have merged with the Akal Purkh are we then led to believe that they would tear into a chicken leg at meal time, piayrio don't even go there. Eating meat is a very primitive act and the Gurus taught us to be above this, to control our emotions and urges if we were to develop spiritually. H.S Singha in his Mini Encyclopedia of Sikhism. 'Guru Amar Das Ji ate only rice and lentils but this abstention cannot be regarded as evidence of vegetarianism, only of simple living.'??? Why cannot it be evidence of vegetarianism ? If we look at the lives of the Gurus and try to emulate as much of them as possible because we regard them as ideal living then why not this ? Now, lets get to the heart of what eating meat really means. We are talking about inflicting pain & killing another being , cutting of its flesh and muscles which that animal relied upon for its existence and consuming it, primarily for the taste. That's right, for the taste of it. We can exist quite happily without meat so why do many people feel the urge to consume it, taste plays a large part of it. Can we in our hearts believe that the Gurus advocated this? Question : Do beings get born on this earth and have living bodies just to be a convenience food ? Or do beings get born into a life with a body so that they can develop and eventually evolve away from Karma and into Dharma ? In the beginnings of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji , Guru Ji says : This human body has been given to you. This is your chance to meet the Lord of the Universe. Nothing else will work. Join the SaadhSangat, the company of the holy. Vibrate and meditate on the Jewel on the Naam. Make every effort to cross over this terrifying world-ocean. Your are squandering this life uselessly in the love of Maya I have not practiced meditation, self discipline, Self restraint or righteous living. I have not served the holy; I have not acknowledged the Lord, my king. Says Nanak, my actions are contemptible! O Lord, I seek Your Sanctuary, please preserve my honour. The 'body' is given to all in order to meet Akal Purkh and the Guru says that there is no other way to meet him. By killing a healthy animal for consumption interrupts its life experience and its evolution towards meeting God. Animals can sense impending doom especially if they can hear the death throws of their colleagues having a 'bolt' driven into their skulls in the shed next door. This can evoke a very powerful glandular response in the animal and hormones are pumped into its body. When you eat that flesh you take on those hormones, and of course its Karma. This has a great effect on your Atma, for the Atma feels pain. By adding the karma of that soul to yours you are also interfering with your own desire to meet the Lord of the Universe. If you have not cleared away your own Karma why would you want to create the Karma of killing and consuming the flesh of another being ? Sikhs do not eat or take into their bodies anything which is harmful or have an ill effect upon the body or mind. Meat is a stimulant of the gross passions of the mind and body. Meat is harmful on a physical, mental and spiritual level. You are killing a soul who is in the process of evolving towards God. Meat stimulates your 'lower nature' making it impossible to achieve a meditative spiritual mind set. If you want constant confusion and irritation then chew on a piece of flesh. If on the other hand you want to evolve spiritually , open up the capacity for meditative comprehension of higher truths then the karmic and polluting nature of meat cannot be ignored. It is said by many that plants also have life so why do we not abstain from eating plants ? It is very true that plants do have life but the karmic energy and consequences of eating plants do not compare to those of an animal which has nervous systems; feeling, possible thoughts, parental instincts towards is offspring. Also plants ( and I am talking about the normal ones that we eat - lentils, maize , spinach etc) are not harmful on a mental, spiritual level but are in fact good for the digestion. Much has been made of the Nihang Singh sect eating Maha Parshad, but the Nihangs also drink a concoction of Marihuana and opium called Suckha, are we all to start taking drugs because of this?
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=1219

They (the truest of the true) burn away the bonds of the world, And eat a simple diet of grain and water. (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji p467)

Kabir, those mortals who consume marijuana, fish and wine - no matter what pilgrimages, fasts and rituals they follow, they will all go to hell. (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji p1337)

You kill living beings and worship lifeless things, at your very last moment, You will suffer terrible pain. (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji p332)

Do not say that the Vedas are false, false are those who do not reflect. If in all is one god, then why does one kill the hen ? (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji p1350)

Sayeth Kabir, that the best food is eating kichree (daal/lentils) where nectar sweet is the salt. You eat hunted meat, but which animal is willing to have their head cut ? (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji p1378)

In this dark age of Kali Yuga, people have faces like dogs; They eat rotting dead bodies for food. (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji p1242 The Vars of Bhai Gurdas Ji are known as the 'kunji' (key) to Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji. Var 31 pauree 9 : "Just because the Guru has saved the butcher,That does not mean that we can kill animals and eat them."

A final thought, the Sants and Mahapursh of the present day all warn us of the evils of eating meat. They all urge us to take Pahul/Amrit and to give up maas, shraab and birri. Not one Sant has ever said otherwise. As a young lad I can just remember the times when Sant Baba Puran Singh Ji (Krichowali) used to administer Amrit to hundreds to people up and down the country and they never ever condoned meat eating. In recent times I have also been blessed by darshans of Sant Baba Bhagwan Singh Ji (Southall), not once have they ever even entertained the notion of meat and Sikhism. Surely, being spiritually on a higher plain then all of us if there was any ambiguity in the 'meat - no meat' argument Baba ji would have stated it. But instead they are fiercely against meat. So who are we going to believe, Sant Mahapurshs or some academic manmukh ? Do we eat to live, or do we live to eat ?
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=1219

ASK YOURSELF WHY DO YOU DARE EAT MEAT?

I find this very disturbing. For Sure, meat is meat. Kill your own child, cut into pieces, boil, marinate and then eat. How sick does that feel? Eat others from animal kingdom just because you dont feel any association with that? Eat beef just to prove sikhs are not Hindus. What nonsense?

Singho, Realize better goals like Sarbat da Bhala, instead of creating more and more confusion. On a personal note, do whatever one wants, but dont force that onto others, by saying 'YES', this is all fine, you should do it, etc.

Bhul chuk maaf.

Dear Singh ji

I think this topic has gone the wrong way as it was meant for some thing else

It is common Hindu propaganda that as hindu (including jain)is the only vegetarian faith in the world and as sikhs also dont eat meat a it is prohibited ( according to their propaganda) to sikhs They are just a sector of hindu religon and they commonly use misinterpretaion of gurbani for that for example


bRhmx kYlI Gwqu kM\kw AxcwrI kw Dwnu ]

brehaman kailee ghaath ka(n)n(j)akaa anachaaree kaa dhhaan ||

If a Brahmin kills a cow or a female infant, and accepts the offerings of an evil person,
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iPtk iPtkw koVu bdIAw sdw sdw AiBmwnu ]

fittak fittakaa korr badheeaa sadhaa sadhaa abhimaan ||

he is cursed with the leprosy of curses and criticism; he is forever and ever filled with egotistical pride.






Same is the case with some of our sikhs they try to fit gurbani into their thoughts to say what ever they want to say

So the thing is to eat beef as decided by sikhs and told by Vijaydeep was put it straight in front of every body that we think of the issue of beef eating
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One more thing some of our respected singh ji usually give this argument that as hindu living in Punjab dont like cow to be cut and eaten so we as sign of brother hood should not eat beef this seems to me a total nonesense

To respect the nonesense belief of hindu for which even they dont have any explanation sikhs should not eat Beef
while on the other hand In city of amrotsar you can see KHoKHA or kiosk for pan and bhiri at each and every nook and corner they dont even care not to use tobbaco even around the harimandir sahib Should they not quit smoking while living in Amritsar as sign of brother hood to sikhs as it is clearly against tenants of sikhi to smoke


Final base line is yes we sikhs just want to be very humble and cooperative to every one around us but dont forget that every body around you may not be as humble so if you dont want to look at the crap and filth they are puting on us ok dont do any thing but then atleast let some body else do it


Bul Chul MAf

Ek Oankar Wahiguru Ji Ki Fateh

Das was about to complelte the thing yesterday but did not have the time so as it happenen let it follow,


For the people who sit overseas and comment it easy but they do not have to face problem what the Panth is facing at Punjab and India.Das did not talk about meat eating here but as all are aware Das has already done a research on this issue and this site also has lot more new thing said see the link bleow and you will found it.

Das request that meat related topics are to be discuused in meat forum.

So let das talk about what happened that day.

It was first thought by S. Darshan Singh Ji to get rid of Hindutva we must eat beef.

Then when Respected KC Sudershan Ji wanted to install Guru Granth Sahib Ji in all hindu Temples of Punjab,so that like budhists stoppped to get neo converts at pasat as hindus too kept temporaryly idols of Budha in there temples.Sameway here as Adi Guru Darbar will be in temple,

Like an idol it will be worshipped and both hindus and Sikhs too will start to come to temple nad Sandat of Gurudwara will reduce to zero.

At that time many Veg Jathas seeing it as life and death situation said

Mass Gau ka Kayenge hum hindu nahin Kahayenge

We will eat beef for not let us be called Hindus.

RSS ate a humble pie and said that it was someother Sudershan singh Chuhan(a fake person),yet stuck to guns that what he said was OK(Hight of hypocracy).

There are a Many hindus like from Bajrang Dal,Hindu Mahasabha etc.Who want welfare of all,Do not descriminate between any hindu or non hindu they are worthy to be worshipped by person like das.

They said,Sikh Regiment should not be divied on caste in Indian Army,Exceelent idea,
They said,Gold or omy must not be used to decorate Gurudwaras but Money be used to preach and to service of mankind.

If Daswanth of das goes to Vanvasi Kalyan Parishad then there is nothing wrong.

BUT Problem come with Rashtrya Sikh Sangat.

They had there cadre intrueded deep into SGPC either via fake conversion or by bribe.

At that meeting as Das was supporting the correct translation of Dasham Granth,Somecalled him as a fake convertee,agent of hindus.

Das can say that many old hindu script and many present day hindus eat beef but an RSS men will never.They call cow Aghnya(non to be killed) as per Vedas but Aghnaya mean(who kill no one,that could be a rabbit too).

They took page no perhaps 1413 of Guru Granth Ji to preach that Guru Granth Sahib Ji too say to protect cow and Brahmin(DRKHALSA will give the true meaning).They said Gangu does not exist just to say that old misl Sikhs were Hindus as per hinduism's manusamriti Brahman can not be killed by a hindu
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BUT this makes Rama as non hindu as he killed Brahmin Ravana or Laxman killed Meghnad or Dhristdhuman(Brother of Mata Draupadi too) killed Dronacharya(Maney such things are in Dasham Granth).

They want to tell more to patit or clean shaven about Amrit is false or Devi Mata was worshipped by Guru Gobind Singh Ji,

They take a verse from Dasham Guru Darbar(in accepted version it is not)

There in reality Guru is addressing Akal and no Devi. Term they call Goghat realy means to suppresess/put sense(Go) Ghat(Sense) cow killing has to be GauGHAAT(Gau ie cow) and Ghaat(killing).

They say that as per Adi Guru Darbar Rama Krishana And Guru Nanak were one,Yes it is ture,But in the episode of Krishana visitng InderPrstha,He goes for a hunt with Pandavas and one type of animal(other animal to are difined) he killed is termed as Goien(it is cow and not nilgai).

Gurudev himself writes that he killed Nilgai(rojh) in areas around Paonta(Vachitar Natak perhaps ,see the research done by Das).Hindu treat Nilgai as cow.It is matter of faith.Cow is cow and at that time As per Gurudev he to did thing against the faith of hindus by killing nilgai.

So the very same Dasham Granth RSS was trying to use against us has become the lat nail in coffin of hindutva.Sikh did not ask them to tell that Gurus were from the generation of Rama ,who at next birth of Krishan kills cow and in same birth kills Brahmin.

So at present

Dalkhalsa(Dalkhalsa.org) are telling to punjab government to lift Ban on cow slughter,

Beef can be exported,
Hungery men of orrisa may get food of it,
Machnaisation of agriculture made many people unemployed they can get job in sloghter houses.
The presure of usless cattle will make fields more productive.
Beef eating otherwise is not banned and any one can but animal killed abroad and eat it.Many hotels of Calcutta Delhi,mumabai etc. serve beef.

If hindus still can use tobbaco in Sikh domnated Punjab,Then what it wrong in our beef eating.

Either hindus do something for these cows(but in Gaishala,money for cattle feed is more a wastage as this could be diverted to hindus dying of hunger).

Or else it is better to be used.Tractor is sold in scrap so ox which is old can be sold to butcher.Cow is like any other animal after all.

So it is better that hindus in Punjab either take care of cows and stop using tobacco else majority is in that route.

To all who teach us to be calm,When idealogical attacks are on you,As attack was doen in Muktsar,GuruJi 's Singhs did retaliated.

Das again say that Das is not against common Hindus but these hindutva parties have done such a thing that turmoil due to there childish action is about to return in Punjab.

Akal bless Hindu,Sikhs and all mankind.Let matters are sorted out peacefully.

Yes Das dares to eat beef and meat,Das is not an agent RSS if he reads Dasham Granth Ji,Das is Agent of Akal.And by will of Akal,Akal's verbal manifestation and By blessing of Guru Panth Das does dare to eat meat and beef.

Below it das only wants beef realted replys for meat thread is differnt.

Das will repeat,it is easy to go in front of Indian high commission or embassy with posters each years.To live in there Majority Area and fight to survie,When idealogical attackeas are being made and young one are tried to be made non Sikhs(it is matter of life and death for Panth).

Budhism went out of India,survied in other budhist states so it is back by BR Ambedkar and is headache to Hindutva.

But Rasheterya Sikh Sangat is trying to absoerbes Sikhs in foregn Country by making Rashterya Sikh Sangat of USA.Norrw mined defincive can not do anything to counter them.

Only fearless Nihungs called agent of RSS because they know VEDAs better them Hindus and they love hindus as they love Sikhs are called intruder.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=1219

Forgive das if wrong is said.

For meat issue come to this link below
http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikhph...9&page=2&pp=35

I'll be honest with you guys, i've studied this whole thing about not eating mean. there is some good reasons as to why not. but wouldn't you think God put chickens, cows, goats on earth for a reason. lets take for example a Cow, it eats grass all day, has a big body.. add two and two and see where i'm going?

sorry i also fogot to mention it came to humans as a SECOND NATURE to eat meat. just like sex, there was no instuctions provided to humans as to how to have sex its pretty much second nature.. When God first put man on earth and man saw a chicken it was pretty much second nature as to whats suppose to happen.