Dera followers seek Congress tickets

AusDesi · #10 (**permalink**) 20-Sep-2009, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Narayanjot Kaur

If they are being wooed, then they are playing politics. If they were not political, no one would be after their votes. If they vote, they are political.

Again, Until the head of Radha Swamis openly endorses Congress they are not political.

Individuals vote and Indiaviduals have the right to vote for Congress or anyone else.

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #11 (**permalink**) 20-Sep-2009, 17:18 PM

thats the real beauty of it all...everything happens behind closed doors...so no "open support".....IF there were NO SUPPORT..why would a "SIKH" like Badal go to Beas FIRST before matha teking in Harmandir Sahib ? Why would Badal/amarinder etc need to visit gurmeet..at his dera...in sirsa..namdharee jagjit ib Bheni...etc etc..

AusDesi · #12 (**permalink**) 20-Sep-2009, 18:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Gyani Jarnail Singh

thats the real beauty of it all...everything happens behind closed doors...so no "open support".....IF there were NO SUPPORT..why would a "SIKH" like Badal go to Beas FIRST before matha teking in Harmandir Sahib ? Why would Badal/amarinder etc need to visit gurmeet..at his dera...in sirsa..namdharee jagjit ib Bheni...etc etc..

But thats the thing. All parties go to them. So me and you hardly know who they are supporting unless they declare openly. It happens in every democracy even America. If they banned Akalis from coming then they are supporting Congress and allies. Thats the mistake that Dera Sacha Sauda did. I read somewhere that before the whole riot about looking like Guru Gobind Singh Ram Rahim openly declared support for Congress. Unfortunately for him, Congress won Souther Punjab seats but lost the Northern Punjab ones and Akali-BJP came to power.

just remember the quote of baba ramdev "Sarkar kisi ki bhi bane, Baba ke paas hamesha vote rahega". It doesn't matter who makes the government, Baba(himself) will always shave one vote.

arshi · #13 (**permalink**) 20-Sep-2009, 18:18 PM

I am afraid despite the leaps, bounds and strides India is making, it is still a very corrupt country steeped in deceit, treachery, dishonesty and oppression. There is little doubt (particularly after 1984) that any attempts to hurt Sikhs and Sikhism are overlooked by those in authority and sects are collaborating to cause it as much damage as possible. I am afraid I have as little respect for Radha Soami (RS) as for Sach Sauda. Recently a relative through a family liaison left the RS (and caused a lot of upset in the hierarchy) when he overheard conversation between the inner circle members. His eyes opened in the nick of time and he was able to keep his 5 crores worth of property which he was on the verge of signing off. They are all a bunch of ‘sophisticated thugs’ to put it mildly.
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It is also unfortunate that this goes on when a Sikh is in power. The problem is that as Sikhs we are conditioned to serve with honour and integrity without distinction of race, colour or creed. S. Manmohan Singh is the PM of the whole country and cannot be seen as favouring one group over another.
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We must rely on ourselves and recognise Indians for what they are and put our own house in order – it is always easy to blame others.

Rajinder Singh

Narayanjot Kaur · #14 (**permalink**) 20-Sep-2009, 21:36 PM

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Originally Posted by AusDesi

But thats the thing. All parties go to them. So me and you hardly know who they are supporting unless they declare openly. It happens in every democracy even America. If they banned Akalis from coming then they are supporting Congress and allies. Thats the mistake that Dera Sacha Sauda did. I read somewhere that before the whole riot about looking like Guru Gobind Singh Ram Rahim openly declared support for Congress. Unfortunately for him, Congress won Souther Punjab seats but lost the Northern Punjab ones and Akali-BJP came to power.

Aus Desi ji

But of course as the French would say (Bien sure!) This is precisely the point. They are political, any group is political, in your words, It happens in every democracy even America -- but some are better at it than others.

In the US there is an expression "the smoke filled room" (a metaphor for something that really did exist years past around the states). It is a "room" "where" all the movers and shakers plot and plan the next move. The real power brokers sit around the table there, "smoking cigars" and most voters don't know who actually "sits" there "calling the "shots."

The Rhadasoami sect is superb at playing the game. To say they have stayed out of the public eye demonstrates their acumen. I would not say this to prove a negative; rather to call attention to the fact that their holdings and their followings are expansive and large. This is called political capital. Who needs to go public when there is so much capital on the table, and under the table? What elected politician would chance it? The babas control votes and they have the money to back their favorites.

Does it matter whether they do it out in the open? Even when they do good. One of the most politically savvy people in India was Mother Teresa. I don't know if she controlled votes. But privately, she had political confidantes all over the world and she had a war chest and she used it.That is not the public image we have of her.

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #15 (**permalink**) 21-Sep-2009, 07:59 AM

Its relatively EASY to "control" ONE MAN..the GURU...who will then INFLUENCE his followers.
This is Exactly what Aurengzeb was trying to accomplish with Guru Teg bahadur Ji. The Kashmiri Pandit delegation had made it clear to the Mughal Governor THAT...IF our "Champion"..the GURU converts..we ALL CONVERT. If he doesnt..then please forgive us...the answer is NO conversion. Do you think all the SIKHS wouldnt have followed their GUIRU..into ISLAM..IF guru ji had converted ??? AT the very least a vast majpority would have done that...after all whats a GURU FOR ?? If one doesnt follow him ??

Even in other situations sometimes the Opposing sides/Kings etc would chose a Champion to fight on their behalf..the champion that WON..his side was declared victorious and there was no needless war and killing of soldiers/civilians.

It is Naive to keep on insisting that the RS GURU/Ram Rahim/Asutosh/SAI BABA etc are "apolitical/neutral"...they do have a Side...and its again naive to suggest that the GURU holds no power over his followers...if they are willing to DIE for him..cant they vote for his candidate ?? Why is there a preponderance of RS/Sai baba Followers candidates among the MPs, state legislatures, police cadre, civil service etc..these high appointments are POLITICALLY motivated...why do we see the PM, the defence Minister, President etc etc attending to a nd BOWING to SAI BABA at His ashram ?? Vajpayee even gave a Officla letter of "recommendation" to Sai baba absolving him of any interefernce by the Police into killings in his ashram..PM Vajpayee said NO INQUIRY. PERIOD. WHY???? Becasue the SB controls a huge Vote Bank !! This despite the Fact that ythe Police Chief came out publicly to state that MURDERS had taken place inside the ashram and should be inquired about..he was shut down by the PM.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=26727
ALL these CULTS/RELIGIUOS Organisations led by a SINGLE FIGURE HEAD are PRESSURE GROUPS...just like the Political parties...they have an AGENDA...they Forge alliances..they rule by PROXY..and thus EXPAND their POWER...bit by bit..