Sikh kabaddi player murdered in Britain (The Times of India)

LONDON: Nine Indian-origin people, including a teenage woman, have been arrested in connection with the murder of a 47-year-old Sikh kabaddi player in west-central England, local police said on Thursday.
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Here's what the local paper said.

its a tragedy, but can we really say Sikh here. I mean the man owned and ran a pub that sold alcohol. He most likely drank alcohol himself. And then on top he named the pub after his sons name. Isn't drinking alcohol other than medical reason forbidden. It seems as the guy is being called a Sikh because he has been brought up in or around the Sikhi culture.
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I believe this is an insult to the SIkhs that practice SIkhi in every breath. It's degrading who they are as a person of God.

Just thinking out loud

Can YOU really say that he drank alcohol just because he ran a pub?
Should YOU really be judging him and concluding he's not a Sikh?
Can anyone be judged as a Sikh based on their drinking habits?

And can a certain practice of one person be an insult to another person?

keep thinking

good thing they caught the low-lifes...a large majority of murders remain unsolved if the culprits or leads are not caught/tagged within a 24-48 hour timespan.

slok mÚ 3 ]
salok ma 3 ||
Salok, Third Mehla:

mwxsu BirAw AwixAw mwxsu BirAw Awie ]
maanas bhariaa aaniaa maanas bhariaa aae ||
One person brings a full bottle, and another fills his cup.

ijqu pIqY miq dUir hoie brlu pvY ivic Awie ]
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jith peethai math dhoor hoe baral pavai vich aae ||
Drinking the wine, his intelligence departs, and madness enters his mind;

Awpxw prwieAw n pCwxeI Ksmhu Dky Kwie ]
aapanaa paraaeiaa n pashhaanee khasamahu dhhakae khaae ||
he cannot distinguish between his own and others, and he is struck down by his Lord and Master.

ijqu pIqY Ksmu ivsrY drgh imlY sjwie ]
jith peethai khasam visarai dharageh milai sajaae ||
Drinking it, he forgets his Lord and Master, and he is punished in the Court of the Lord.

JUTw mdu mUil n pIceI jy kw pwir vswie ]
jhoot(h)aa madh mool n peechee jae kaa paar vasaae ||
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Do not drink the false wine at all, if it is in your power.

nwnk ndrI scu mdu pweIAY siqguru imlY ijsu Awie ]
naanak nadharee sach madh paaeeai sathigur milai jis aae ||
O Nanak, the True Guru comes and meets the mortal; by His Grace, one obtains the True Wine. ang 554


The lord punishes the person that drinks alcohol. Then what do you think will happen to the person that provides them the alcohol and a place to sit and drink. IT's no mystery, but the wise ones here can ponder over it.

And why would the Lord punish a Sikh? Again no mystery.

I know that it is hard to do, but we could try to refrain from substituting our judgment for that of the True Guru - The True Guru who will also be the true supporter and true friend of the 4 children who were left fatherless. ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਹਥਿ ਨਿਬੇੜੁ ਝਗੜੁ ਚੁਕਾਇਆ ॥
sathigur hathh nibaerr jhagarr chukaaeiaa || Thejudgment is in the Hands of the True Guru, who puts an end to the argument.

ਪਵੜੀ ॥
pavarree ||
Pauree:

ਕਾਇਆ ਹੰਸਿ ਸੰਜੋਗੁ ਮੇਲਿ ਮਿਲਾਇਆ ॥
kaaeiaa hans sanjog mael milaaeiaa ||
Destiny has brought together and united the body and the soul-swan.
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ਤਿਨ ਹੀ ਕੀਆ ਵਿਜੋਗੁ ਜਿਨਿ ਉਪਾਇਆ ॥
thin hee keeaa vijog jin oupaaeiaa ||
He who created them, also separates them.

ਮੂਰਖੁ ਭੋਗੇ ਭੋਗੁ ਦੁਖ ਸਬਾਇਆ ॥
moorakh bhogae bhog dhukh sabaaeiaa ||
The fools enjoy their pleasures; they must also endure all their pains.

ਸੁਖਹੁ ਉਠੇ ਰੋਗ ਪਾਪ ਕਮਾਇਆ ॥
sukhahu outhae rog paap kamaaeiaa ||
From pleasures, arise diseases and the commission of sins.

ਹਰਖਹੁ ਸੋਗੁ ਵਿਜੋਗੁ ਉਪਾਇ ਖਪਾਇਆ ॥
harakhahu sog vijog oupaae khapaaeiaa ||
From sinful pleasures come sorrow, separation, birth and death.

ਮੂਰਖ ਗਣਤ ਗਣਾਇ ਝਗੜਾ ਪਾਇਆ ॥
moorakh ganath ganaae jhagarraa paaeiaa ||
The fools try to account for their misdeeds, and argue uselessly.

ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਹਥਿ ਨਿਬੇੜੁ ਝਗੜੁ ਚੁਕਾਇਆ ॥
sathigur hathh nibaerr jhagarr chukaaeiaa ||
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Thejudgment is in the Hands of the True Guru, who puts an end to the argument.

ਕਰਤਾ ਕਰੇ ਸੁ ਹੋਗੁ ਨ ਚਲੈ ਚਲਾਇਆ ॥੪॥
karathaa karae s hog n chalai chalaaeiaa ||4||
Whatever the Creator does, comes to pass. It cannot be changed by anyone's efforts. ||4||
Ang 139

By your logic every Sikh who runs a convinience store here and sells alcohol drinks it and therefore is not a Sikh.

Stop being so judgemental.

A poor man has lost his life, just be grateful you are alive.

selling alcohol drinks is wrong. There is nothing new about this fact. I wonder if the Gurus were selling alcohol to others and then in the evening going to the Gurdwara to preach drinking alcohol is wrong.

I think some are forgetting one of the pillars of SIkhi. Make an honest living.

IF you want to drink alcohol go ahead and do it, but don't justfy your weak actions by SIkhi. Have some self control.