First Guru’s image offends Sikhs at IIT rock showGurmat Awards for Sikh scholars

Neutral Singh · #1 (**permalink**) 28-Jan-2005, 19:24 PM

dear S|kh, what is your take on this issue ??

http://cities.expressindia.com/fulls...?newsid=115453
Guru’s image offends Sikhs at IIT rock show
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Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=1677
Mumbai Newsline, India - 7 hours ago

Mumbai, January 27: SIKH youths who attended the annual rock concert ‘Livewire’, held at the Indian Institute of Technology (IIT) Powai campus, were taken ...
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S|kH · #2 (**permalink**) 28-Jan-2005, 23:06 PM

There is no right that states that "You have the ability NOT to be offended".

And, in order to stop something, or place a ban over, all I request is that the logic for the ban remain consistent, so that way we do not go on banning things just as they come in the moment. Christians tried this, Taliban DID this, and it never worked.

Girls are wearing Jeans -- Ban Jeans. Girls are wearing thongs -- Ban Thongs. Pictures at Concerts -- Ban Pictures. This logic is not consistent, when will these "anger-in-the-moment-bans" stop? Allow pictures at Gurdwaras? Allow Men to wear Jeans at Gurdwaras? Allow Khanda logos on other pieces of clothing and as necklaces? Allow pictures of the Golden Temple on Stamps? Stamps that could very well be used to send Pornographic Videos to subscribers.

They say they found it offensive. "The photo of our Guru Saab was projected for a good seven minutes while the band Dragonfly performed. It was objectionable to see the image being displayed out of context at the rock show," said Dr Simarpreet Singh.

Once again, this is all relative. An image is objectionable?

All I am doing is just warning you guys, read Christian history, you will lose these battles. There is other ways around them, but the path you choose to take is the same thing the Christians took, and they lost horrifically.

To me, the logic used to ban this picture is ridiculous. They claim the picture was used "out of context". What about Guru Nanaks picture of his face that sits RIGHT infront of the Guru Granth Sahib, so when you go to matha, its like your almost matha-teking to Guru Nanaks picture too?

What about the people that put the flowers around a picture of Guru Nanak? I've seen this before, many of times, I've seen this activity take place IN Punjab. But no ban for that, thats not out of context is it? Not at all, as long as it goes along the lines of Hindu-rituals, its not out of context.

I have pictures of either Sikhs, Siri Guru Granth Sahib, or sometimes even pictures of the other Gurus as my Wallpaper on my computer. I have speakers hooked up to my computer along with a subwoofer. Many friends come into my room all the time, and I BLAST music, mostly Hip Hop, which uses slang and curse words alot. Should I remove my wallpaper everytime because if someone were to see the picture it would be "out of context" ? Should Sikhnet place a warning under the pictures and say "Please respect these images, as they are the images of our Gurus" or wouldn't that just seem so "hindu" to the rest of us?

When you respect a picture so much as that protecting that pictures representation becomes first priority to you, you begin to idolize the picture.

Do we always need to see the pictures of Gurus "in context" so that way we show utmost respect to them? Whatever happened to God and the Gurus residing everywhere, and showing respect for God and the Gurus with every breathe you take, not just when you see a picture of them?

Why can't we look at this Dragonfly concert in another view? How bout that they projected Guru Gobind's image because they wanted to remind the Sikh Youth, that wherever you go, your always a Sikh, always a member of the Khalsa, and a son of Guru Gobind. Just because your at a Dragonfly concert does not mean you can go wild and have crazy fun and drink liquor and get wasted now. Just because of the lyrics we sing, doesn't mean you have to get crazy and follow them, but see that picture, follow that mans words, not ours, we're here for entertainment, he is your ULTIMATE father.

I'm telling you, you people that just go ban things at your whim are backwards, instead of protesting the things which ought to be, you ban the newer things because they "could have a bad influence upon the youth".
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=1677
Keep all your bias, and tradition, and hindu rituals, but ban anything new which is linked the younger generation, in fear that it may corrupt us.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=1677

I see nothing but hypocrisy, illogic, and non-consistency.

devinesanative · #3 (**permalink**) 11-Dec-2005, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by S|kH

There is no right that states that "You have the ability NOT to be offended".

And, in order to stop something, or place a ban over, all I request is that the logic for the ban remain consistent, so that way we do not go on banning things just as they come in the moment. Christians tried this, Taliban DID this, and it never worked.

Girls are wearing Jeans -- Ban Jeans. Girls are wearing thongs -- Ban Thongs. Pictures at Concerts -- Ban Pictures. This logic is not consistent, when will these "anger-in-the-moment-bans" stop? Allow pictures at Gurdwaras? Allow Men to wear Jeans at Gurdwaras? Allow Khanda logos on other pieces of clothing and as necklaces? Allow pictures of the Golden Temple on Stamps? Stamps that could very well be used to send Pornographic Videos to subscribers.

They say they found it offensive. "The photo of our Guru Saab was projected for a good seven minutes while the band Dragonfly performed. It was objectionable to see the image being displayed out of context at the rock show," said Dr Simarpreet Singh.

Once again, this is all relative. An image is objectionable?

All I am doing is just warning you guys, read Christian history, you will lose these battles. There is other ways around them, but the path you choose to take is the same thing the Christians took, and they lost horrifically.

To me, the logic used to ban this picture is ridiculous. They claim the picture was used "out of context". What about Guru Nanaks picture of his face that sits RIGHT infront of the Guru Granth Sahib, so when you go to matha, its like your almost matha-teking to Guru Nanaks picture too?

What about the people that put the flowers around a picture of Guru Nanak? I've seen this before, many of times, I've seen this activity take place IN Punjab. But no ban for that, thats not out of context is it? Not at all, as long as it goes along the lines of Hindu-rituals, its not out of context.

I have pictures of either Sikhs, Siri Guru Granth Sahib, or sometimes even pictures of the other Gurus as my Wallpaper on my computer. I have speakers hooked up to my computer along with a subwoofer. Many friends come into my room all the time, and I BLAST music, mostly Hip Hop, which uses slang and curse words alot. Should I remove my wallpaper everytime because if someone were to see the picture it would be "out of context" ? Should Sikhnet place a warning under the pictures and say "Please respect these images, as they are the images of our Gurus" or wouldn't that just seem so "hindu" to the rest of us?

When you respect a picture so much as that protecting that pictures representation becomes first priority to you, you begin to idolize the picture.

Do we always need to see the pictures of Gurus "in context" so that way we show utmost respect to them? Whatever happened to God and the Gurus residing everywhere, and showing respect for God and the Gurus with every breathe you take, not just when you see a picture of them?

Why can't we look at this Dragonfly concert in another view? How bout that they projected Guru Gobind's image because they wanted to remind the Sikh Youth, that wherever you go, your always a Sikh, always a member of the Khalsa, and a son of Guru Gobind. Just because your at a Dragonfly concert does not mean you can go wild and have crazy fun and drink liquor and get wasted now. Just because of the lyrics we sing, doesn't mean you have to get crazy and follow them, but see that picture, follow that mans words, not ours, we're here for entertainment, he is your ULTIMATE father.

I'm telling you, you people that just go ban things at your whim are backwards, instead of protesting the things which ought to be, you ban the newer things because they "could have a bad influence upon the youth".
Keep all your bias, and tradition, and hindu rituals, but ban anything new which is linked the younger generation, in fear that it may corrupt us.

I see nothing but hypocrisy, illogic, and non-consistency.

A big clap for you . Wonderful ! Excellent ! Bravo !

If the world could have few more like you then , the world would have been a better place.

That's what I call turning Negative to Positive.

WOW !!!

vijaydeep Singh · #4 (**permalink**) 11-Dec-2005, 19:33 PM

Gurfateh

Das Salute both Sikh and DivineSentive for thier views.

a person who cribs for image or pictures and that also fo Gurus(there many vested interests in politics like that) can never never be a true Sikh.

As we are not bothered about image but we surrender to imageless or Arekh called Akal.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=1677

Das is habitual of tearing off or burning the pictures of Sants or Gurus if some one gives them to das or trys to bow to them or put garland on them etc.

We have Lord Rama,Krishna or Mata Rani etc and people who are using pictures of Gurus to worship them better replace those pictures with deities of Hindus menationed above perhaps they will give some boom to picutre worshipping 'sikhs'.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=1677

Has any of our Tent Master being there then they would have told such worshippers the correct way is to surrneder to will of god and not to worship picture to be one with God.