Taksal - A critical Analysis

please take some time to view a few scanned pages of anti gurmat literature which is published by taksal
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Gurfateh

Das does not find any thing anti Gurmat where it has been explained that keeping hairs uncut is OK.
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Then if someone opposes meat then also that person cajn not be Anti Gurmat.

Das wants to add it over here that it is code or Maryada of Taksal,where eating meat is not allowed and it could be justified.Problems comes when many people try to impose Maryada of Taksal as Sikh Rahit Maryada.Anyway most of the Jathedar of Taksal including Baba Dhuma Ji respect meat eating Sikhs also.In amry of Sant Ji ,there were Amritdhari Sikhs(from SGPC) and they ate meat.As per Sant Ji there was no differnce between Amritdhari from Sgpc and Taksal.
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Das respect the views of AKJ but Taksal is not as rigid as AKJ.Rigidness of AKJ on Bebecki Rahit anyway is very much usefull for Sikhs in many occaision.So das respect that rigidness also.

The ANTI-GURMATT stuff is the "wrong TRANSLATIONS" and twisting of GURBANI meanings....to score taksaal point of anti-meat.
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1. It is personal matter to eat or not eat meat. Why DRAG GURBANI into it, twist its meanings, do wrong translations etc just to "prove" that you are RIGHT and the other is WRONG. Taksaal and AKJ have a VERY WEAK BASE if they cannot persuade their followers to just avoid meat on its own MERIT...there are a thousand and one reasons they can provide their followers to avoid meat..BUT they FAIL..and instaed TWIST GURBANI towards their owna slanted viewpoints. THIS IS ANTI GURMATT.
Missionaries DONT have to SAY..look here GURBANI PROMOTES this and that...so eat meat...as GURBANI DOES NOT PROMOTE ( or NOT PROMOTE) meat or ANYTHING else in DIET. So if the missionaries can survive without dragging in Gurbani..Dhumma and his taksaals and all others must be Pretty useless as "ROLE MODELS" if their followers must be "FRIGHTENED" through mistransaltions of Gurbani and twisted meanings to make them stop eating meat..you mean to say a Taksali will NOT just look at Dhumma and say..I am NOT eating meat as dhumma doesnt eat it..he is a Brahmgiani, he is my leader, he is my role model ?? Dhumma and those before him had to RESORT to TWISTING GURBANI to scare their followers off meat ??
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In the Excellent article on Fools wrangle over meat by randip Singh EACH of these shabads quoted have been dealt with in Proper Gurbani meanings...NO TWISTING..NO MISTRANSLATING..just plain GURBANI as it is written.
2. GURU NANAK JI closed this debate on Meat by writng the EXTRA LONG Shabad Maas Maas kar MOORAKH JHaggreh. AFTER that NOT a SINGLE GURU...from Guru Angad ji to Guru Gobind Singh ji ever write even ONE TUK on MEAT. Whereas on OTHER TOPICS..we find many GURU SAHIBS Wrote their own Gurbani..many REPETITIONS..and same subjects by different Gurus...BUT NOT MEAT !!! WHY ?? Because Guru nanak ji DECIDED it CLOSED.
But the "too wise" taksalis and other Hinduised followers couldnt stand this..and RE-OPENED thsi issue around the late 19th century...and continue to FAN its FLAMES to keep their chullah burning...Rottian karan pooreh taal !!! Eat or Dont eat..decide on your own..DONT DRAG in GURBANI/Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.
Gyani jarnail Singh

i would like to say for the first two scanned pages about kutha... it is very clear that baba gurbachan singh ji very very confused... he does not know what he is writing... first he writes how that only halal is banned which is muslimaan type meat... then he goes on to distort gurbani for his purposes... then later on he gives rehitnama of bhai desa singh and bhai chaupa singh that kutha is banned meaning halal musliman way... two contradictory points

the 3rd artcle

baba gurbachan sigh states that kashera was givin from ram chander to hanuman

he is clearly saying here that if ram chander gave hanuman kashera then hanuman must have given kasera too sikhs

where else did kashera come from according to bab gurbachan singh... also i would like to add that hanuman had a tail? so how in the world did this tail come out of the kashera... what stupidity

the 4th scanned page...

talks about where tobbaco had come from...
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the tobbaco plant was made created when kaamthain gao started bleeding from his feet.. and from there came the tobbaco plant???? no sense at all

on the last scanned page:

baba gurbachan singh disrespects our mahan panj pyrai by calling them of diffrent avtars

pyara deya singh- lao thai avtar
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pyara dharm singh- bhagat thana thai actar

pyara himmit singh- chattarbhujjee thai avtar

pyara mokham singh- bhagat namdev ji thee avtar

pyara sahib singh- bhagat sain jee thai avtar

gurbani doesnt believe in any kind of avtar stuff

so on what basis did baba gurbachan singh write this?

Gurfateh


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Das would first address Halal issue.kutha as per Prof Sahib Singh Ji is meat which is obtained by paining animals.And Halal fits the bill.Then further ahead of this as per Singh Sahib Kahan Singh Ji Nabha Sikhs can eat meat in which eletcric shock,gun shot etc. is given.But meat in which blood is drained aout is not allowedd(refeeance to Khushwant singh books das read when he was very young).

But das thinks it is Abhkhya Ka kutha ie animal painfuly killed after verse or Kalima.so das still does not find much probem over here.Das thinks that if Halal is done on Animal after givng it pain killer then it may not be Kutha.More study can move over there.

coming out the Hanuman Issue.And Kachhera over there.As Hanuman was very powerfull and had been told to have great intellect and moral and physical power so such thing could has been writtan.But Hanuman never wore Kachhera but Langot or Rumali more like diaper of child then say short.

This could be only a symbolism that the way Rama gave his monkey force hight symblic thing so should Sikhs the leo force accept same from Guru.

We also need to understand that in Sau Sakhi we see,that various demi gods are giving various ingedidents to cook Karah Prasad.

Such things are used by Nihungs also but only to prove that demigods are servents of Khalsa(more like Hazrat Adam(AS) was postrated by Angels or such attributes of Akal serve another attribute called Human.

to be continued......

Gurfateh

about tobbaco Matter.

As per Sau Sakhi again a Muslim King Ajmer kills cow and create a plant which is like leafe having an ear like that of a cow.That made Hindus Tej Heen or powerless.

Tobbaco in realty came to India from South America(which is its native place) and much after time of columbos.

But illitrate persons were made addict by that and let forengers rule.

such thing was again a propoganda to let illitrate guys stay away from tobbaco.

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Lastly coming to Avytar issue.

In Bhatt Swayyes we have one instance attaching First Master with mythological beings.And in Wahiguru word eating rice and curd from the hand of mother Yasoda is there.

Main thing over here is just to let Hindus know that thier high people are Sikhs of Guru and they should also leave thier worship and go for Guruship of Akal.

This is way to preach.like wise there is counter propoganda by Sikhs talking about Garidasis(a sect of Kabir Panthis) who said that First Master worshipped god incarnation called Kabir by saying that St Kabir was rebron a Sikh of Tenth Master and had Amrit Sanaskar.

Gurmat uses vocbulary and styles of native faith of potential convert so that that person could be converted to Gurmat.

Missioaries are more reformer in us then preachers.Thier role statrs when a person ins already in Gurmat and may not move as per Gurmat.But das wi like to have more info from Bhai Internaltion Akali Ji.

Das also wants to say that in Taksal meat is not allowed as young men live there away from family and meat can increaeese lust as there could be such probelms in schoolls of other faith.

Dear Vijaydeep,

You are trying to prove something right which is simply wrong and nothing more than that. The line written "eho kachchira hi shri Ram Chandar ji ne ....." is clearly wrong. The place where this line has been put in the writings of Taksal scanned by International Akali ji, simply gives the meaning that - the Sikh kachchera was given by Ram to Hanuman and then later came to Sikhs. The use of Punjabi word "eho kachchera" is wrong here.

This wrong writing could have been due to 2 reasons (that I can see)

1. Due to lack of writing skills by the person who wrote this book. If a person is writing a book of such significance that it is talking about a religion and will (supposedly) be read by thousands and believed from their hearts, one has to take special care to validate the text by going through various reading from people of different backgrounds. Then one can come to know what he/she is writing is exactly what he/she wants to say.
2. A part of bigger plot where people are either themselves the role players to adulterate Sikh philosophy or are stupidly and unknowgly doing this under the influence of some other group.

....to be continued.

Guru Piyario Jio,
Waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh.

Veer Vijaydeep singh ji wrote:
......IF animal is given "pain killer"..and then hallla it is not actually hallala as animal suffered no pain...
2. In a recent article on Panthic weekly Internet Paper published by the AKJ stalwart Navjot Singh..it was stated..There is no difference in "taste" betwen hallal meat and Jhatka meat...etc etc

The Bajjar Kurehit of Eating HALLAL MEAT is NOT based on its TASTE being different..or Due to the PAIN caused in killing the animal. Such wrong ideas are beign sown to purposely create more confusion.

HALLAL MEAT/KOSHER MEAT/BAKRA sacrificed by the HINDU PANDIT in the Kali mata Mandir...etc etc etc are ALL BANNED for the KHALSA as these are all "SACRIFICIAL MEATS". The animals have been SACRIFICED, their BLOOD drawn out and allowed to FLOW FREELY as an OFFERING to the DEVI/ALLAH/YAHWEH God of Abraham..etc etc etc. THIS is the One and ONLY reason why Hallal is NOT ALLOWED for the Khalsa. IF an animal is killed by "JHATKA" but sacriifced to any devta/devi/etc..that woudl still be BANNED for the KHALSA...Pain in killing/taste etc are not the factors.

Dya--- compassion..is very good..the First Pyara was DYA SINGH..without DYA..religion is incomplete...BUT DYA doesnt mean going without FOOD..IF thats the case have DYA on ALL "living" beings..SAAG...Daal..Atta..as well as meat..Guru nanak Ji Himslef declares..Sootak is in the WOOD..the WATER..which thing on earth doesnt have LIFE in it...Stop being hypocrites
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Gyani jarnail Singh

i think the main reason for banning halaal was because aurangzeb and other muslim rulers were forcing everybody to eat halaal.so it was a kind of submission to islam thats why it was banned by guru gobind singh ji.