on the sikh sangat.com .a person has exposed the lies of panthic weekly
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Inder Ghagga Loses Debates To Panthic Singhs In Toronto - The Voice of Sikh Youth
OK where do we start... hmm ok lets start from the article by panthic weekly i will go down the points which are stated in the articles which are total lies...
" Inder Ghagga loses debates to Panthic Singhs in Toronto "
Wow its pretty sad to say that these so called panthic singhs determine of who is a singh of the guru and who isnt! The Singh in Inder Singh Ghagga has either been mistakingly forgotten or it might be an error? Or perhaps these so called panthic singhs just didnt intend to put singh in his name so they are the ones who determine who is a singh and who isnt. Prof has taken khaday battai tha amrit as far as i know one who has becomes a singh... just would like to point out a few things
" Instead of utilizing sound logic and Gurbani as a basis of their arguments they often resort the ridicule and sarcasm in a sign of desperation and lack of confidence."
this is quite interesting because if you listen to his audios or read his book when he ever he writes on the basis of what is written in guru granth sahib ji... maybe that isnt considered gurbani to "panthic singhs" ... listen to the video he presents puts forward by gurbani on veechar with one another...
"When he spoke at Mayfield Gurdwara Sahib, in Brampton Ontario two weeks ago, a melee broke our between his supporters and members of Panthic organizations who charged that he was spreading anti-Sikh propaganda and was insulting respected Sikh personalities in his books and on stage. Ghagga in his book "Sada Berra Kio Garkia", he has harshly criticizes various Gursikhs and key Sikhi concepts."
may i please ask who are these so called poanthic orginizations??? are these the same panthic orginizations who consider tra charitars as bani or dont accept sikh reyat maryada??? and who are these so called respected personalities who follow hindu maat and are students of pandits, nirmalais... and first studied vedas, ramyan and other hindu granths before even starting to read guru granth sahib ji as stated in there book!"
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=14352
"That there is no such thing as the power of Naam.
Naam simran that involves reciting of Gurmantar (as instructed in the Panthic Sikh Rahit Maryada) is Pakhand [hypocritical], he refers to is ‘Gorakh Dhandha.’"
There is two different types of naam which are debated by prof inder singh and kulbir singh.... Bhai kulbir singh says naam is waheguru jaap only... while prof says naam is gurbani itself..... There is two different sides as to what the power of naam is... Bhai Kulbir singh says by doing waheguru jaap you can do certain chamitkaars so on... he also says that totta raatan of the same word being repeated is not acceptable... now i would like to say is how much time would be considered totta rattan? 15 min,m 30 min, hour, 2 hour, 3 hour.... that is a question for him to answer... also in sikh reyat maryada it says to do waheguru jaap in the morning before nitnem... now it doesnt say how much time it just says do waheguru jaap... i would like to add that akal purkh says to remember him forever and always... doing waheguru the jaap is just a way to get you started for doing nitnem to remember akal purkh... we should akal purkh on are minds always... As for the Gorakh Dhanda as the title that in the next edition he will remove that.... He said everyones makes mistakes when they write he will correct that in the next edition of his book....
"Guru Nanak Sahib Ji ate Halal meat under pressure, when he visited Mecca."
This is a topic that gets a lot of people heated... My personal belief is that whatever he ate we dont know... i would like to say that what did guru hargobind sahib do... when you hear of "dhadis" say guru sahib went in the forest and played shakaar... what does that mean? that means he went and killed animals and ate them... he didnt just go there and kill them for fun... if we hear of other guru sahibs eating maas why does it hurt so much that guru nanak sahib ate maas they are all one jot...
"Siri Guru Arjun Dev Ji fainted when he was tortured because he could not withstand the pain. In other words, he views all of the ten Guru Sahibs as ordinary humans beings."
Guru sahib is shabad Guru... Guru sahib was a person in a human body... The thing that is so special about the guru is the shabad in which he says... That is why we are all his kids because we are learning from guru sahib and his shabad.... at this day we have the shabad with us in shri guru granth sahib ji.... I dont understand why it is so difficult for people to understand that guru sahib fainted... If guru sahib didnt faint then can someone tell me how he became shaheed? HOW DID GURU ARJUN SAHIB BECOME SHAHEED IF HE DIDNT FAINT! secondly people who say guru sahib was not in a regular human body.. Yes he did feel pain.. but the pain didnt effect him one bit because hwas one with god and he knew the time came... It was his mind that felt no pain.. Guru harkrishan sahib attained guruship for about 5 years... and his joti jot came at when he was just at the age of 7... guru harkrishan became ill and passed away... and the guru ship went to guru tegh bahadhur sahib... now if we say guru sahib was in a regular body how come guru harkrishan sahib left this world at the tender age of 7... could guru sahib not stop his illness??? he was guru we hear of people doing akhand paats and sukhmani sahib thai paat and we hear of cancer getting cured by akhand paat... but yet guru sahib couldnt not get cured himself... this is just a bhakhand which people have put in us... Guru sahibs shabad is mahan..
"He wrote very harshly against Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji Bhindranwalay and other respected Panthic personalities, often ridiculing them in a offensive manner. "
This is a tottly different subject we will make an another thread and discuss... this topic was not even debated on.. everyone became panthic no taksali could be found! no one wanted to discuss the issue..
"He is a also a ferocious supporter of meat eating."
This so called panthic weekly website promoted sikh reyat maryada half the time and doesnt promote it the other half... they put in brackets (sikh reyat maryada) beside the waheguru jaap complaint but forgot to put sikh reyat maryada in the the meat eating issue... panthic weekly= hypocrites
"According to witnesses present there, "He came with about 10-15 of his supporters. The Singhs went in the debate as underdogs and he was full of haumai. Within minutes [of debating], he realized that he was stuck."
The meeting at tapoban prof came with 10-15 people???? thats ridiculas.....it was 5 or 6 people i dont know where the number of 10-15 came from i think it was quite the oppisite... either the witness was blind or panthic weekly is just telling a lie to boost there article.. within minutes of debating he relized he was stuck? i dont understand how he was stuck... those guys said he didnt faint while prof said guru sahib had to have fainted with the explonation above... what kind of debate is that.. how was he stuck i dont understand...
"According to several eyewitnesses interviewed by Panthic Weekly, Ghagga became so uneasy that he asked for drinking water three times. Witnesses stated that his hands were trembling and he was perspiring heavily throughout the debate. It was clear that the fierce 'debater' Ghagga had lost his bearing"
He asked for drinking water three times??? how old is he 70-80 years old what does having a drink of water have anything to do with a debate... his hands were probably trembling because one fo the guys had a gandasa in his hand and two karas which were 2 kilos each hahahahahaha... shameful...
"Ghagga lost the entire debate on all subjects and now the some neutral Singhs insisted that another debate be set at a public venue. The date was set for October 1, 2006 at 9am, but Ghagga never showed up. Via third parties, and with great difficulty, he was persuaded to debate and finally the debate was set up for about 4 hours later at 1pm. "
Who pulled the outcome of the debate the "panthic singhs" or "panthic weekly" hahahahaha... the next debate was set for 9 am... how many people do you need to debate at most 4-6 from each side... at 9 oclock 100 people were standing outside to doorstep reading to debate hahaha... until everyone was gona and the people who were supposed to debate were left then the debate happened... and still there were peopleleft over there were supposed to be 4-5 from prof inder singhs sid ena d4-5 of other... prof inder singh brang 4-5 and kulbir singh had 14-17....
"It is interesting to note that the Panthic Singhs led by Kulbir Singh did not have any prior public debating experience, yet they were successful in defeating someone such as Ghagga who has spent his entire life in such controversies. Instead of debating on the contentious issues, Ghagga kept digressing and changing subject. This further proved that he could no longer defend himself or his philosophy. "
We will see when the video comes on the internet these guys are making the decision already shows you what news reporting skills they have...
"Most importantly, Ghagga publicly accepted that Naam Simran is a principal of Gurmat. He accepted that his sakhi about Guru Nanak Dev Ji eating meat in Mecca was his imagination as was Guru Arjun Dev Ji’s fainting incident. "
As for the naam simran he said whatever is present in akal takht maryada he accepts... As for the other two subjects he did not accept anything and that is a lie.. we shall see who is telling the truth when the movie comes out... Bhai Kulbir Singh accepted that Kavi Santhok Singh writeer of suraj parkash and raatan singh bhanguu writer of panth parkash are both wrong in the sakhis they have wrote to make guru sahib look bad? now what mission will these "panthic singh start against him?" What base is history written? everyone talks about base of prof.... Whatever is the philosphy of gurmat and makes sense according to gurmat is the only base !!!!!!! Guru granth sahib is our base!!!
Isnt lying against the principals of sikhi??? how much can you lie it unbelieveable...... this article should be on lie.com
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it is shame that our so called panthic sikhs are using this type of tactics
just to prove that they won a debate with another group of sikhs
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