Dear Surinder-Ji,


Thank you for your post.

It is it possible you could translate the words you have added in your post (above) about Baba Nanak-Ji?

Also, is it permissble, in Sikh philosophy to believe that Baba Nanak-Ji was not God?

Your Comments would be apprecaited as usual.

Nadeem

Nadeem, the translation is right below the ll 2 ll. The notation got in the way of my seeing the translation too.

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ਮਨ ਕਰਹਲਾ ਗੁਰ ਗੋਵਿੰਦੁ ਸਮਾਲਿ ॥ man karehalaa gur govindh samaal O camel-like mind, dwell upon the Guru and the Lord of the Universe.

Respected Nadeem Ji and Aad0002 Ji,


i do not know what happened to many of the translations on Sunday, i guess that storm effected everything!!!!!!!! just kidding


Dhan Dhan Siri Guru Arjan Dev ji page #1429(SGGS)


I have not appreciated what You(God) have done for me, only You can make me worthy.
I am unworthy - I have no worth or virtues at all. You have taken pity on me.
You took pity on me, and blessed me with Your Mercy, and I have met the True Guru.
O Nanak, if I am blessed with the Naam, I live, and my body and mind blossom forth.






forgive me please

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surinder

please reply kaur ji
so that i can continue

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Kaur-1 Ji,

Sat Sri Akal,

Did you answer yes or no to the title question: Was Guru Nanak God?

Dear sister kaur

Please Answer my question also... because answer of ur question is only in my question

my question was/is:: Do we need to only read Gurubani or should we follow it also.. JUST EMPHASISE ON THIS QUESTION .. BEFORE GOING AHEAD .. U WILL GET THE ANSWER.. IF U DONT GET ANSWER FROM THIS QUESTION THEN READ IT....







Yes my dear sister... Gurubani is for all of us...
We should Read .. understand and then follow it .. what SGGS is saying..
I would rather say ,.. any scripture that is given to us.. is like last WILL(Vasiyat)..this is what gurubani says about reading of scriptures(any scriptures.. vedas, ramcharitmanas, shastar and gurubani also)
Tell me one thing.. if a father left a will(Vasiyat) for his sons.. and if sons keep reading that will document(Sarkari kagaz :: vasiyat).. and not go to aquire the land written in it.. then are they doing right .. will there father feel happy for them.
In the same way.. any scripture (m not saying only for gurubani).. if we keep it with respect(yes .. respect should be paid to the greatest thoughts in the world)... and not follow it.. then our Father(GOD) will not be happy .. but he wants us to follow us..
Now m putting some lines from gurubani.. just read and understand .. what it says.. and just think.... are NOT we doing the opposite to our great scripture.

PAGE NO 66-67
ਹਰਿ ਨਿਰਮਲੁ ਅਤਿ ਊਜਲਾ ਬਿਨੁ ਗੁਰ ਪਾਇਆ ਨ ਜਾਇ ॥
हरि निरमलु अति ऊजला बिनु गुर पाइआ न जाइ ॥
har nirmal at oojlaa bin gur paa-i-aa na jaa-ay.
The Lord is Immaculate and Radiantly Bright; without the Guru, He cannot be found.

ਪਾਠੁ ਪੜੈ ਨਾ ਬੂਝਈ ਭੇਖੀ ਭਰਮਿ ਭੁਲਾਇ ॥
पाठु पड़ै ना बूझई भेखी भरमि भुलाइ ॥
paath parhai naa boojh-ee bhaykhee bharam bhulaa-ay.
He cannot be understood by reading scriptures; the deceitful pretenders are deluded by doubt.

ਗੁਰਮਤੀ ਹਰਿ ਸਦਾ ਪਾਇਆ ਰਸਨਾ ਹਰਿ ਰਸੁ ਸਮਾਇ ॥੩॥
गुरमती हरि सदा पाइआ रसना हरि रसु समाइ ॥३॥
gurmatee har sadaa paa-i-aa rasnaa har ras samaa-ay. ||3||
Through the Guru's Teachings, the Lord is always found, and the tongue is permeated with the Sublime Essence of the Lord. ||3||

THIS LINES CLEARLY SAYS THAT WITHOUT GURU WE CANT ATTAIN HIM and READING/DOING PATHS(ਪਾਠੁ) we are deluded.

PAGE 355
ਆਚਾਰੀ ਨਹੀ ਜੀਤਿਆ ਜਾਇ ॥
आचारी नही जीतिआ जाइ ॥
aachaaree nahee jeeti-aa jaa-ay.
Through ritual actions, God cannot be won over;

ਪਾਠ ਪੜੈ ਨਹੀ ਕੀਮਤਿ ਪਾਇ ॥
पाठ पड़ै नही कीमति पाइ ॥
paath parhai nahee keemat paa-ay.
by reciting sacred scriptures, His value cannot be estimated.

ਅਸਟ ਦਸੀ ਚਹੁ ਭੇਦੁ ਨ ਪਾਇਆ ॥
असट दसी चहु भेदु न पाइआ ॥
asat dasee chahu bhayd na paa-i-aa.
The eighteen Puraanas and the four Vedas do not know His mystery.

ਨਾਨਕ ਸਤਿਗੁਰਿ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਦਿਖਾਇਆ ॥੫॥੨੦॥
नानक सतिगुरि ब्रहमु दिखाइआ ॥५॥२०॥
naanak satgur barahm dikhaa-i-aa. ||5||20||
O Nanak, the True Guru has shown me the Lord God. ||5||20||

THIS LINES CLEARLY STATE THAT: WITH RITUAL ACTIONS WE CANT ACHIEVE GOD..
BY DOING/READING DAILY PATHS(ਪਾਠ) NEITHER WE WILL COME TO KNOW THE VALUE OF GOD NOR WE WILL GET VALUE AT GOD-PLACE. BY READING SCRIPTURES WE CANT KNOW THE MYSTERY.. TRUE MASTER CAN SHOW U THE GOD(THOUGH HERE GURU NANAK DEV JI HAS SAID FOR HIMSELF; BUT THIS IS MESSAGE FOR US, BECAUSE ALL SAINTS SAYS FOR THEMSELF AND THAT THINGS ARE MESSAGE TO ALL WORLD.....FOR EXAMPLE: KABIR HAS SAID SO MANY LINES FOR HIMSELF AND THAT ARE HIS TEACHING TO WORLD)


THERE ARE SO MANY PLACES IN GURUBANI AND ALL OTHER SCRIPTURES THAT CLEARLY SAYS THAT ONLY READING IS NOT SUFFICIENT BUT.. WE NEED TO FOLLOW IT.

GURUFATEH

Long story short, no he wasn't god

I agree with navimann

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surinder