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19-Feb-2007, 16:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Prabhjoyt Singh  goNf mhlw 5 ]
go(n)add mehalaa 5 ||
Gond, Fifth Mehla:
Guru guru kir mn mor ]
guroo guroo gur kar man mor ||
Chant Guru, Guru, Guru, O my mind.
gurU ibnw mY nwhI hor ]
guroo binaa mai naahee hor ||
I have no other than the Guru.
gur kI tyk rhhu idnu rwiq ]
gur kee ttaek rehahu dhin raath ||
I lean upon the Support of the Guru, day and night.
jw kI koie n mytY dwiq ]1]
jaa kee koe n maettai dhaath ||1||
No one can decrease His bounty. ||1||
guru prmysru eyko jwxu ]
gur paramaesar eaeko jaan ||
Know that the Guru and the Transcendent Lord are One.
jo iqsu BwvY so prvwxu ]1] rhwau ]
jo this bhaavai so paravaan ||1|| rehaao ||
Whatever pleases Him is acceptable and approved. ||1||Pause||
gur crxI jw kw mnu lwgY ]
gur charanee jaa kaa man laagai ||
One whose mind is attached to the Guru's feet
dUKu drdu BRmu qw kw BwgY ]
dhookh dharadh bhram thaa kaa bhaagai ||
his pains, sufferings and doubts run away.
gur kI syvw pwey mwnu ]
gur kee saevaa paaeae maan ||
Serving the Guru, honor is obtained.
gur aUpir sdw kurbwnu ]2]
gur oopar sadhaa kurabaan ||2||
I am forever a sacrifice to the Guru. ||2||
gur kw drsnu dyiK inhwl ]
gur kaa dharasan dhaekh nihaal ||
Gazing upon the Blessed Vision of the Guru's Darshan, I am exalted.
gur ky syvk kI pUrn Gwl ]
gur kae saevak kee pooran ghaal ||
The work of the Guru's servant is perfect.
gur ky syvk kau duKu n ibAwpY ]
gur kae saevak ko dhukh n biaapai ||
Pain does not afflict the Guru's servant.
gur kw syvku dh idis jwpY ]3]
gur kaa saevak dheh dhis jaapai ||3||
The Guru's servant is famous in the ten directions. ||3||
gur kI mihmw kQnu n jwie ]
gur kee mehimaa kathhan n jaae ||
The Guru's glory cannot be described.
pwrbRhmu guru rihAw smwie ]
paarabreham gur rehiaa samaae ||
The Guru remains absorbed in the Supreme Lord God.
khu nwnk jw ky pUry Bwg ]
kahu naanak jaa kae poorae bhaag ||
Says Nanak, one who is blessed with perfect destiny
gur crxI qw kw mnu lwg ]4]6]8]
gur charanee thaa kaa man laag ||4||6||8||
- his mind is attached to the Guru's feet. ||4||6||8 |
There are so many references in the gurubani, that clearly illustrates that there is no difference b/w GOD and Guru(perfect master). and this reference clearly proofs that GURU IS GOD,
even Gurubani states that , GURU IS ABOVE THAN GOD,
if anyone is inquisitive about such things, i can put that references also,
Gurubani also states that perfect master is always present on the earth, this earth is meaning less without a guru(Living Guru), and Guru is that who can show u the GOD directly, when u go to him.
Just ask and see the GOD,
then u will get the permanent proof of the GURU's power, that GOD cn only show u GOD
see and then believe, other wise this discussion we are going to forget after sometime.
because there is no proof of it.
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20-Feb-2007, 18:57 PM
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Originally Posted by sahilmakkar1983 There are so many references in the gurubani, that clearly illustrates that there is no difference b/w GOD and Guru(perfect master). and this reference clearly proofs that GURU IS GOD,
even Gurubani states that , GURU IS ABOVE THAN GOD,
if anyone is inquisitive about such things, i can put that references also,
Gurubani also states that perfect master is always present on the earth, this earth is meaning less without a guru(Living Guru), and Guru is that who can show u the GOD directly, when u go to him.
Just ask and see the GOD,
then u will get the permanent proof of the GURU's power, that GOD cn only show u GOD
see and then believe, other wise this discussion we are going to forget after sometime.
because there is no proof of it.
Guru Fateh. | Respected Sahil Makkar Ji,
You are right.
Discussions with others have no effect, unless the teachings of Dhan Dhan Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji are literally adapted in real life. Comparisons with others, condemning others and so on… are not going to take you anywhere.
So Sadh Sangat Ji, read BANI, and LIVE THE TRUTH, only then you will be able to see, feel, experience....... GOD IS GURU, GURU IS GOD, BANI NIRANKAAR…. Otherwise all this is just waisting your valuable time on this earth. Satgur prasaad. mwxs jnmu dulµBu hY jg mih KitAw Awie ]
pUrY Bwig siqguru imlY hir nwmu iDAwie ]
mnmuK BUly ibKu lgy Aihlw jnmu gvwieAw ]
hir kw nwmu sdw suK swgru swcw sbdu n BwieAw ]
muKhu hir hir sBu ko krY ivrlY ihrdY vswieAw ]
nwnk ijn kY ihrdY visAw moK mukiq iqn@ pwieAw ]
muKhu hir hir sBu ko krY ivrlY ihrdY vswieAw ]
nwnk ijn kY ihrdY visAw moK mukiq iqn@ pwieAw ]
Gurbani page 565
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20-Feb-2007, 19:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Surinder Kaur Cheema Respected Sahil Makkar Ji,
You are right.
Discussions with others have no effect, unless the teachings of Dhan Dhan Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji are literally adapted in real life. Comparisons with others, condemning others and so on… are not going to take you anywhere.
So Sadh Sangat Ji, read BANI, and LIVE THE TRUTH, only then you will be able to see, feel, experience....... GOD IS GURU, GURU IS GOD, BANI NIRANKAAR….
Otherwise all this is just waisting your valuable time on this earth.
Satgur prasaad.
mwxs jnmu dulµBu hY jg mih KitAw Awie ]
pUrY Bwig siqguru imlY hir nwmu iDAwie ]
mnmuK BUly ibKu lgy Aihlw jnmu gvwieAw ]
hir kw nwmu sdw suK swgru swcw sbdu n BwieAw ]
muKhu hir hir sBu ko krY ivrlY ihrdY vswieAw ]
nwnk ijn kY ihrdY visAw moK mukiq iqn@ pwieAw ]
muKhu hir hir sBu ko krY ivrlY ihrdY vswieAw ]
nwnk ijn kY ihrdY visAw moK mukiq iqn@ pwieAw ]
Gurbani page 565
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GuruFateh Sarabjeet ji,
Yes, very true, Bani is great, and all the world is around Bani only,
Without Bani world cant exist.. Bani is within us.. The breathe that is going .. is because of Bani within us, Bani is vibration, vibrating word... that is present in everybeing(all religion: hindu, muslim sikh christian).. Yes this is true.. But m not taking the side of our Panth.. m not talking about reading the Bani.. again saying..
as this lines clearly tells that BANI is not what we are understanding...
but Bani is the power that is with in us... (SEE ORANGE lines)
and shabad about which here Gurubani is saying is also within us
and that SHABAD is BANI.
Please read the lines .. u will come to know BANI and SHABAD are one..
and within us. within our heart..
no need to speak from mouth... but we need to contemplate/meditate on the vibration that is already within us
ਸਚੇ ਭਗਤ ਸੋਹਹਿ ਦਰਵਾਰੇ ਸਚੋ ਸਚੁ ਵਖਾਣੇ ਰਾਮ ॥ सचे भगत सोहहि दरवारे सचो सचु वखाणे राम ॥ sachay bhagat soheh darvaaray sacho sach vakhaanay raam. The true devotees look beautiful in the Darbaar of the Lord's Court. They speak Truth, and only Truth. ਘਟ ਅੰਤਰੇ ਸਾਚੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਸਾਚੋ ਆਪਿ ਪਛਾਣੇ ਰਾਮ ॥
घट अंतरे साची बाणी साचो आपि पछाणे राम ॥
ghat antray saachee banee saacho aap pachhaanay raam.
Deep within the nucleus of their heart, is the True Word of the Lord's Bani. Through the Truth, they understand themselves.
ਆਪੁ ਪਛਾਣਹਿ ਤਾ ਸਚੁ ਜਾਣਹਿ ਸਾਚੇ ਸੋਝੀ ਹੋਈ ॥ आपु पछाणहि ता सचु जाणहि साचे सोझी होई ॥ aap pachhaaneh taa sach jaaneh saachay sojhee ho-ee. They understand themselves, and so know the True Lord, through their true intuition. ਸਚਾ ਸਬਦੁ ਸਚੀ ਹੈ ਸੋਭਾ ਸਾਚੇ ਹੀ ਸੁਖੁ ਹੋਈ ॥ सचा सबदु सची है सोभा साचे ही सुखु होई ॥ sachaa sabad sachee hai sobhaa saachay hee sukh ho-ee. True is the Shabad, and True is its Glory; peace comes only from Truth. ਸਾਚਿ ਰਤੇ ਭਗਤ ਇਕ ਰੰਗੀ ਦੂਜਾ ਰੰਗੁ ਨ ਕੋਈ ॥ साचि रते भगत इक रंगी दूजा रंगु न कोई ॥ saach ratay bhagat ik rangee doojaa rang na ko-ee. Imbued with Truth, the devotees love the One Lord; they do not love any other. ਨਾਨਕ ਜਿਸ ਕਉ ਮਸਤਕਿ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਤਿਸੁ ਸਚੁ ਪਰਾਪਤਿ ਹੋਈ ॥੪॥੨॥੩॥ नानक जिस कउ मसतकि लिखिआ तिसु सचु परापति होई ॥४॥२॥३॥ naanak jis ka-o mastak likhi-aa tis sach paraapat ho-ee. ||4||2||3|| O Nanak, he alone obtains the True Lord, who has such pre-ordained destiny written upon his forehead.
SVJKK SVJKF
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20-Feb-2007, 21:02 PM
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you are right everything is god
but not everyone
love the humanity was the first message of guru nanak
remember it first |
20-Feb-2007, 21:34 PM
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Originally Posted by GURVINDER you are right everything is god
but not everyone
love the humanity was the first message of guru nanak
remember it first | Respected GURVINDER Ji, everything is not separate from everyone. All is God. Satgur Parsaaad sB ikCu Awpy Awip hY haumY ivic khnu n jwie ] God Himself is everything(this refers to all; the universe); those who are in their ego cannot even speak of this. gur kY sbid pCwxIAY duKu haumY ivchu gvwie ] Through the Word of the Guru's Shabad, He is realized, and the pain of egotism is eradicated from within. also bRhm mih jnu jn mih pwrbRhmu ]
The servant is in God, and God is in the servant.
Ego has to go, even to love the humanity unconditionaly. |
21-Feb-2007, 07:35 AM
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hmmm... i believe God himself is like the highest Guru, and that GuruNanak and the other Gurus were the most amazing ppl ever but not God, and i also believe that God revealed himself through the Gurus, the Gurus were at the highest purest level a person can attain so God was able to reveal his teachings through them... as i am new to Sikhism please correct me if i am wrong, i only wanna learn and become stronger... |
21-Feb-2007, 18:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Satyadhi hmmm... i believe God himself is like the highest Guru, and that GuruNanak and the other Gurus were the most amazing ppl ever but not God, and i also believe that God revealed himself through the Gurus, the Gurus were at the highest purest level a person can attain so God was able to reveal his teachings through them... as i am new to Sikhism please correct me if i am wrong, i only wanna learn and become stronger... | Respected Satyadhi Ji, it all depends upon where we are in our understanding of what God is. Guru teaches us the way to reach to that point of understanding. Now if we believe 100% in our Guru/Teacher, and follow the preaching, we can experience all that is being taught to us by the Guru. Satgur Parsaad syvk isK pUjx siB Awvih siB gwvih hir hir aUqm bwnI ] All the Sikhs and servants come to worship and adore You; they sing the sublime Bani of the Lord, Har, Har. gwivAw suixAw iqn kw hir Qwie pwvY ijn siqgur kI AwigAw siq siq kir mwnI ] Only their singing and listening is approved by the Lord who accept the Order of the True Guru as True, totally True. Now this understanding that if a Guru is God, this truth is not perceivable until one actually sees God in all. And to reach that level one has to be devoid of ego completely. Until their is Ego-there is duality.....no doubt. |
22-Feb-2007, 11:59 AM
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well said surinder ji
breaking ego is the first step |
22-Feb-2007, 19:35 PM
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Originally Posted by sahilmakkar1983 GuruFateh Sarabjeet ji,
Yes, very true, Bani is great, and all the world is around Bani only,
Without Bani world cant exist.. Bani is within us.. The breathe that is going .. is because of Bani within us, Bani is vibration, vibrating word... that is present in everybeing(all religion: hindu, muslim sikh christian).. Yes this is true.. But m not taking the side of our Panth.. m not talking about reading the Bani.. again saying..
as this lines clearly tells that BANI is not what we are understanding...
but Bani is the power that is with in us... (SEE ORANGE lines)
and shabad about which here Gurubani is saying is also within us
and that SHABAD is BANI.
Please read the lines .. u will come to know BANI and SHABAD are one..
and within us. within our heart..
no need to speak from mouth... but we need to contemplate/meditate on the vibration that is already within us
ਸਚੇ ਭਗਤ ਸੋਹਹਿ ਦਰਵਾਰੇ ਸਚੋ ਸਚੁ ਵਖਾਣੇ ਰਾਮ ॥ सचे भगत सोहहि दरवारे सचो सचु वखाणे राम ॥ sachay bhagat soheh darvaaray sacho sach vakhaanay raam. The true devotees look beautiful in the Darbaar of the Lord's Court. They speak Truth, and only Truth. ਘਟ ਅੰਤਰੇ ਸਾਚੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਸਾਚੋ ਆਪਿ ਪਛਾਣੇ ਰਾਮ ॥
घट अंतरे साची बाणी साचो आपि पछाणे राम ॥
ghat antray saachee banee saacho aap pachhaanay raam.
Deep within the nucleus of their heart, is the True Word of the Lord's Bani. Through the Truth, they understand themselves.
ਆਪੁ ਪਛਾਣਹਿ ਤਾ ਸਚੁ ਜਾਣਹਿ ਸਾਚੇ ਸੋਝੀ ਹੋਈ ॥ आपु पछाणहि ता सचु जाणहि साचे सोझी होई ॥ aap pachhaaneh taa sach jaaneh saachay sojhee ho-ee. They understand themselves, and so know the True Lord, through their true intuition. ਸਚਾ ਸਬਦੁ ਸਚੀ ਹੈ ਸੋਭਾ ਸਾਚੇ ਹੀ ਸੁਖੁ ਹੋਈ ॥ सचा सबदु सची है सोभा साचे ही सुखु होई ॥ sachaa sabad sachee hai sobhaa saachay hee sukh ho-ee. True is the Shabad, and True is its Glory; peace comes only from Truth. ਸਾਚਿ ਰਤੇ ਭਗਤ ਇਕ ਰੰਗੀ ਦੂਜਾ ਰੰਗੁ ਨ ਕੋਈ ॥ साचि रते भगत इक रंगी दूजा रंगु न कोई ॥ saach ratay bhagat ik rangee doojaa rang na ko-ee. Imbued with Truth, the devotees love the One Lord; they do not love any other. ਨਾਨਕ ਜਿਸ ਕਉ ਮਸਤਕਿ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਤਿਸੁ ਸਚੁ ਪਰਾਪਤਿ ਹੋਈ ॥੪॥੨॥੩॥ नानक जिस कउ मसतकि लिखिआ तिसु सचु परापति होई ॥४॥२॥३॥ naanak jis ka-o mastak likhi-aa tis sach paraapat ho-ee. ||4||2||3|| O Nanak, he alone obtains the True Lord, who has such pre-ordained destiny written upon his forehead.
SVJKK SVJKF
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