Was Guru Nanak God?

Amardeep · 03-07-2006, 12:13 AM

i just got home from the local Gurdwara, and there there was a sikh from England who claimed that Guru Nanak was God himself.... i thought he was ridiculous and went home to research and found these verses.

Page 136, Line 10
ਹਰਿ ਗੁਰੁ ਪੂਰਾ ਆਰਾਧਿਆ ਦਰਗਹ ਸਚਿ ਖਰੇ ॥
हरि गुरु पूरा आराधिआ दरगह सचि खरे ॥
har gur pooraa aaraaDhi-aa dargeh sach kharay.
Those who meditate on the Perfect Guru, the Lord-Incarnate-they are judged true in the Court of the Lord.
Guru Arjan Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

Page 306, Line 14
ਨਾਨਕ ਸੇਵਾ ਕਰਹੁ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਰ ਸਫਲ ਦਰਸਨ ਕੀ ਫਿਰਿ ਲੇਖਾ ਮੰਗੈ ਨ ਕੋਈ ॥੨॥
नानक सेवा करहु हरि गुर सफल दरसन की फिरि लेखा मंगै न कोई ॥२॥
naanak sayvaa karahu har gur safal darsan kee fir laykhaa mangai na ko-ee. ||2||
O Nanak, serve the Guru, the Lord Incarnate; the Blessed Vision of His Darshan is profitable, and in the end, you shall not be called to account. ||2||
Guru Ram Das - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

and there are propbably also others..

it this true ? was Guru Nanak and the others God?.

if if they were, who were they praying to? If their prayers were just God showing how a prayer should be done, it means that their Prayers were empty rituals as God can not pray to God, since there is only One God.

The Guru's slept, ate, had children etc..does this mean that God is limited as a human being who needs sleep, rest, etc??

i cant make this work...seriously..how could Guru Nanak have been God?

Surinder Kaur Cheema · #41 (**permalink**) 20-02-2007, 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GURVINDER

you are right everything is god
but not everyone
love the humanity was the first message of guru nanak
remember it first

Respected GURVINDER Ji,

everything is not separate from everyone. All is God.

Satgur Parsaaad

sB ikCu Awpy Awip hY haumY ivic khnu n jwie ]
God Himself is everything(this refers to all; the universe); those who are in their ego cannot even speak of this.

gur kY sbid pCwxIAY duKu haumY ivchu gvwie ]
Through the Word of the Guru's Shabad, He is realized, and the pain of egotism is eradicated from within.

also

bRhm mih jnu jn mih pwrbRhmu ]
The servant is in God, and God is in the servant.

Ego has to go, even to love the humanity unconditionaly.

Satyadhi · #42 (**permalink**) 21-02-2007, 06:35 AM

hmmm... i believe God himself is like the highest Guru, and that GuruNanak and the other Gurus were the most amazing ppl ever but not God, and i also believe that God revealed himself through the Gurus, the Gurus were at the highest purest level a person can attain so God was able to reveal his teachings through them... as i am new to Sikhism please correct me if i am wrong, i only wanna learn and become stronger...

Surinder Kaur Cheema · #43 (**permalink**) 21-02-2007, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Satyadhi

hmmm... i believe God himself is like the highest Guru, and that GuruNanak and the other Gurus were the most amazing ppl ever but not God, and i also believe that God revealed himself through the Gurus, the Gurus were at the highest purest level a person can attain so God was able to reveal his teachings through them... as i am new to Sikhism please correct me if i am wrong, i only wanna learn and become stronger...

Respected Satyadhi Ji,

it all depends upon where we are in our understanding of what God is.
Guru teaches us the way to reach to that point of understanding. Now if we believe 100% in our Guru/Teacher, and follow the preaching, we can experience all that is being taught to us by the Guru.

Satgur Parsaad

syvk isK pUjx siB Awvih siB gwvih hir hir aUqm bwnI ]

All the Sikhs and servants come to worship and adore You; they sing the sublime Bani of the Lord, Har, Har.

gwivAw suixAw iqn kw hir Qwie pwvY ijn siqgur kI AwigAw siq siq kir mwnI ]

Only their singing and listening is approved by the Lord who accept the Order of the True Guru as True, totally True.

Now this understanding that if a Guru is God, this truth is not perceivable until one actually sees God in all. And to reach that level one has to be devoid of ego completely. Until their is Ego-there is duality.....no doubt.

amarsanghera · #44 (**permalink**) 22-02-2007, 10:59 AM

well said surinder ji

breaking ego is the first step

sahilmakkar1983 · #45 (**permalink**) 22-02-2007, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by sahilmakkar1983

GuruFateh Sarabjeet ji,

Yes, very true, Bani is great, and all the world is around Bani only,
Without Bani world cant exist.. Bani is within us.. The breathe that is going .. is because of Bani within us,
Bani is vibration, vibrating word... that is present in everybeing(all religion: hindu, muslim sikh christian)..
Yes this is true.. But m not taking the side of our Panth.. m not talking about reading the Bani.. again saying..
as this lines clearly tells that BANI is not what we are understanding...
but Bani is the power that is with in us... (SEE ORANGE lines)

and shabad about which here Gurubani is saying is also within us
and that SHABAD is BANI.
Please read the lines .. u will come to know BANI and SHABAD are one..
and within us. within our heart..
no need to speak from mouth... but we need to contemplate/meditate on the vibration that is already within us
ਸਚੇ ਭਗਤ ਸੋਹਹਿ ਦਰਵਾਰੇ ਸਚੋ ਸਚੁ ਵਖਾਣੇ ਰਾਮ ॥
सचे भगत सोहहि दरवारे सचो सचु वखाणे राम ॥
sachay bhagat soheh darvaaray sacho sach vakhaanay raam.
The true devotees look beautiful in the Darbaar of the Lord's Court. They speak Truth, and only Truth.

ਘਟ ਅੰਤਰੇ ਸਾਚੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਸਾਚੋ ਆਪਿ ਪਛਾਣੇ ਰਾਮ ॥
घट अंतरे साची बाणी साचो आपि पछाणे राम ॥
ghat antray saachee banee saacho aap pachhaanay raam.
Deep within the nucleus of their heart, is the True Word of the Lord's Bani. Through the Truth, they understand themselves.

ਆਪੁ ਪਛਾਣਹਿ ਤਾ ਸਚੁ ਜਾਣਹਿ ਸਾਚੇ ਸੋਝੀ ਹੋਈ ॥
आपु पछाणहि ता सचु जाणहि साचे सोझी होई ॥
aap pachhaaneh taa sach jaaneh saachay sojhee ho-ee.
They understand themselves, and so know the True Lord, through their true intuition.

ਸਚਾ ਸਬਦੁ ਸਚੀ ਹੈ ਸੋਭਾ ਸਾਚੇ ਹੀ ਸੁਖੁ ਹੋਈ ॥
सचा सबदु सची है सोभा साचे ही सुखु होई ॥
sachaa sabad sachee hai sobhaa saachay hee sukh ho-ee.
True is the Shabad, and True is its Glory; peace comes only from Truth.

ਸਾਚਿ ਰਤੇ ਭਗਤ ਇਕ ਰੰਗੀ ਦੂਜਾ ਰੰਗੁ ਨ ਕੋਈ ॥
साचि रते भगत इक रंगी दूजा रंगु न कोई ॥
saach ratay bhagat ik rangee doojaa rang na ko-ee.
Imbued with Truth, the devotees love the One Lord; they do not love any other.

ਨਾਨਕ ਜਿਸ ਕਉ ਮਸਤਕਿ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਤਿਸੁ ਸਚੁ ਪਰਾਪਤਿ ਹੋਈ ॥੪॥੨॥੩॥
नानक जिस कउ मसतकि लिखिआ तिसु सचु परापति होई ॥४॥२॥३॥
naanak jis ka-o mastak likhi-aa tis sach paraapat ho-ee. ||4||2||3||
O Nanak, he alone obtains the True Lord, who has such pre-ordained destiny written upon his forehead.

SVJKK SVJKF

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kaur-1 · #46 (**permalink**) 28-02-2007, 08:40 PM

Dear sahilmakkar1983

Your Quote
"no need to speak from mouth... but we need to contemplate/meditate on the vibration that is already within us"

Here you are saying that that there is no need to read/recite/sing from Guru Granth Sahib ji. (But as you are quoting Gurbani, then there still is hope for you).

I can now understand why in another thread, you said that there is totally no need to read scriptures.! Is the above gurbani quotation the reasoning behind not reading Gurbani at all.?

So you are going to sit somewhere in a "Samadhi" and try to make a connection with your "inner light" with no help from our True Guru - Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji which contains Bani directly from Akal Purakh(GOD) and several englightened Sants.

So you saying that this is how you will remove the veil or ignorance and cleanse your 'soul/mind/inner being' stained and polluted by sin's accumulated through many re-incarnations and in this life todate without the help of Shabad Guru, without the help Guru Nanak Dev ji. Are you that clever.? Are you that brave to deny the divine command of Gurbani?

I am just qurious to know your thinking behind.

sahilmakkar1983 · #47 (**permalink**) 12-03-2007, 02:51 PM

My dear sister Kaur

nice to hear from u
First make me clear ... that do we need to follow our Guru Granth sahib jee or not
or should we only read SGGS again and again rather than to follow SGGS
and please put some lines where i said..."I can now understand why in another thread, you said that there is totally no need to read scriptures.! Is the above gurbani quotation the reasoning behind not reading Gurbani at all.?"(So that i can answer u... let me check the context in which I said that)

Waiting for ur reply...
I will put everything from SGGS to answer u.. after ur reply

Gurufateh

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaur-1

Dear sahilmakkar1983

Your Quote
"no need to speak from mouth... but we need to contemplate/meditate on the vibration that is already within us"

Here you are saying that that there is no need to read/recite/sing from Guru Granth Sahib ji. (But as you are quoting Gurbani, then there still is hope for you).

I can now understand why in another thread, you said that there is totally no need to read scriptures.! Is the above gurbani quotation the reasoning behind not reading Gurbani at all.?

So you are going to sit somewhere in a "Samadhi" and try to make a connection with your "inner light" with no help from our True Guru - Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji which contains Bani directly from Akal Purakh(GOD) and several englightened Sants.

So you saying that this is how you will remove the veil or ignorance and cleanse your 'soul/mind/inner being' stained and polluted by sin's accumulated through many re-incarnations and in this life todate without the help of Shabad Guru, without the help Guru Nanak Dev ji. Are you that clever.? Are you that brave to deny the divine command of Gurbani?

I am just qurious to know your thinking behind.

Nadeem · #48 (**permalink**) 12-03-2007, 03:45 PM

God and Guru are identical. If we accept that Baba Nanak-Ji attained Godhead then Guru Nanak-Ji and God are synonymous - Those who meditate on the Perfect Guru, the Lord-Incarnate-they are judged true in the Court of the Lord.

'Gur meh aap rakhaya kartare.'

[Maru Mohalla 1(15), p-1024]

'In the body of Guru (Nanak) God revealeth Himself' [translation]

Nadeem · #49 (**permalink**) 12-03-2007, 08:53 PM

'Gur meh aap rakhaya kartare'

God and Guru are identical

Surinder Kaur Cheema · #50 (**permalink**) 12-03-2007, 10:24 PM

qyrw kIqw jwqo nwhI mYno jogu kIqoeI ]
mY inrguixAwry ko guxu nwhI Awpy qrsu pieEeI ]
qrsu pieAw imhrwmiq hoeI siqguru sjxu imilAw ]
nwnk nwmu imlY qW jIvW qnu mnu QIvY hirAw ]