Was Guru Nanak God?

i just got home from the local Gurdwara, and there there was a sikh from England who claimed that Guru Nanak was God himself.... i thought he was ridiculous and went home to research and found these verses.

Page 136, Line 10
ਹਰਿ ਗੁਰੁ ਪੂਰਾ ਆਰਾਧਿਆ ਦਰਗਹ ਸਚਿ ਖਰੇ ॥
हरि गुरु पूरा आराधिआ दरगह सचि खरे ॥
har gur pooraa aaraaDhi-aa dargeh sach kharay.
Those who meditate on the Perfect Guru, the Lord-Incarnate-they are judged true in the Court of the Lord.
Guru Arjan Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

Page 306, Line 14
ਨਾਨਕ ਸੇਵਾ ਕਰਹੁ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਰ ਸਫਲ ਦਰਸਨ ਕੀ ਫਿਰਿ ਲੇਖਾ ਮੰਗੈ ਨ ਕੋਈ ॥੨॥
नानक सेवा करहु हरि गुर सफल दरसन की फिरि लेखा मंगै न कोई ॥२॥
naanak sayvaa karahu har gur safal darsan kee fir laykhaa mangai na ko-ee. ||2||
O Nanak, serve the Guru, the Lord Incarnate; the Blessed Vision of His Darshan is profitable, and in the end, you shall not be called to account. ||2||
Guru Ram Das - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok


and there are propbably also others..

it this true ? was Guru Nanak and the others God?.

if if they were, who were they praying to? If their prayers were just God showing how a prayer should be done, it means that their Prayers were empty rituals as God can not pray to God, since there is only One God.

The Guru's slept, ate, had children etc..does this mean that God is limited as a human being who needs sleep, rest, etc??

i cant make this work...seriously..how could Guru Nanak have been God?

Respected Hai_Bhi_Sch Ji,

Once again thanks endlessly......

For a Gurmukh it is not a strange thing that Kur is performing its shameless dance in all its colors and shapes as it(kur) is bound to time and space. And an FYI- a True Gurmukh cannot be cheated for he/she is always awake(cyqMn).


Only fear a True Gursikh ever has is that he/she does not forget the Ultimate/Piayara/Satguru/God even for a second, and this is not worldly BY, it is vYrwg.

A Gurmukh does not have to go door to door and advertise his/her faith, as it speaks for itself.
rqnu lukwieAw lUkY nwhI jy ko rKY lukweI ]


People come to a Gurmukh when they see endless courage, 100% honesty, calmness, unlimited santokh and the other unlimited divine qualities shining through the person and ask him/her from where he/she is cultivating all these attributes. A gurmukh does not have to tell others-hey your faith may be wrong, come and join mine; or be afraid of your faith it may be wrong- A GURMUKH DOES NOT TELL OTHERS TO FOLLOW HIM/HER. FOR A GURMUKH’S RADIENCE ATTRACTS OTHER SEEKERS TO HIM/HER AND THE GURMUKH CONNECTS THEM WITH THE GURU, NEVER TRIES TO BECOME A GURU HIMSELF/HERSELF, NEITHER HE/SHE FAKES IT. A gurmukh respects all faiths, our Dhan Dhan Guru Sahibaan Ji are connecting us to the infinite blessings of all the Gurus/Bhagats/Paigambars of all the times, and this is happening endlessly. After having such a blessing---

qw kau DoKw khw ibAwpY jw kau Et quhwrI ]

GURBANI IS THE ULTIMATE TRUTH. AND IT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.

DHUR KI BANI DOES NOT NEED A surinder TO CORRECT THE TRANSLATIONS; IF THE BELIEF IS FIRM, IT WILL SPEAK FOR ITSELF.
surinder is humbly doing the seva, and will keep doing it; some will like, some will not- for she lives/breathes/eats/sees/feels...... that truth which no negativity can alter.





thanks endlessly once again Hai_Bhi_Sach Ji.....

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surinder

Surinder ji... Sometimes while reading your words, I feel Rabb aap bol reha. Keep us in Charhdee Kala ji.

Regards.

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jau qau pRym Kylx kw cwau[[ isr Dir qlI glI myrI Awau[[ iequ mwrig pYru DrIjY [[ isr dIjY kwix n kIjY [[
..................................... gurU swihb (AMg 1412)

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surinder

Surinder Kaur ji,

"Jab eh kahat ki main kish karta, Tab eh garab jon mein phirta".

Who is Surinder or who am I, We are are all toys of nature. Our centre (Focal point) is elsewhere. We are only recievers controlled by the Universal Conscience. We are all living a lie. Be objective and look at yourself. You will learn more.

Peace be upon you. Exercise shanti, shanti, shanti.

Guru Bhalla kare

Waheguru ji ki Fateh.

Respected Hai_Bhi_Sach Ji,


Endless thanks again and again,



Soul is not a slave of time and space.




And learning never ends-as


swihbu myrw nIq nvw sdw sdw dwqwru ]







endless thanks again and again......................

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surinder

yes, yes, yes, yes...he was not.

But perhaps we sikhs would be better off if he had said he was? We would be a more proselytizing religion. We would be more unshakable in our faith, our righteousness, our fervor, our confidence, our struggles. Perhaps we would have pushed into the middle east and central india, promulgating our beliefs of equality and earthbound duty and justice. We would be more able to stand confidently against the righteous delusions of other faiths who proclaim theirs is the only way?

I am not so sure our founders honesty has served our ultimate wellness. I think a bit of megalomania and false righteousness on the part of the founders of our faith may have stood us and Sikhi better in the long run, in terms of longevity, conviction and strength in numbers. For forgive me for saying so, but the posts above are by definition abstract and out of the domain of thought of most ordinary humans. And while some, the few, have the ability to grasp and comprehend the true way, it is by definition a way of moral and personal sacrifice and acceptance which leaves bare the borders of the modern nation to the attacks of those who believe they are better and their way the only path to salvation.

There are so many references in the gurubani, that clearly illustrates that there is no difference b/w GOD and Guru(perfect master). and this reference clearly proofs that GURU IS GOD,
even Gurubani states that , GURU IS ABOVE THAN GOD,
if anyone is inquisitive about such things, i can put that references also,
Gurubani also states that perfect master is always present on the earth, this earth is meaning less without a guru(Living Guru), and Guru is that who can show u the GOD directly, when u go to him.
Just ask and see the GOD,
then u will get the permanent proof of the GURU's power, that GOD cn only show u GOD
see and then believe, other wise this discussion we are going to forget after sometime.
because there is no proof of it.

Guru Fateh.

Respected Sahil Makkar Ji,

You are right.

Discussions with others have no effect, unless the teachings of Dhan Dhan Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji are literally adapted in real life. Comparisons with others, condemning others and so on… are not going to take you anywhere.

So Sadh Sangat Ji, read BANI, and LIVE THE TRUTH, only then you will be able to see, feel, experience....... GOD IS GURU, GURU IS GOD, BANI NIRANKAAR….


Otherwise all this is just waisting your valuable time on this earth.

Satgur prasaad.


mwxs jnmu dulµBu hY jg mih KitAw Awie ]
pUrY Bwig siqguru imlY hir nwmu iDAwie ]
mnmuK BUly ibKu lgy Aihlw jnmu gvwieAw ]
hir kw nwmu sdw suK swgru swcw sbdu n BwieAw ]
muKhu hir hir sBu ko krY ivrlY ihrdY vswieAw ]
nwnk ijn kY ihrdY visAw moK mukiq iqn@ pwieAw ]


muKhu hir hir sBu ko krY ivrlY ihrdY vswieAw ]

nwnk ijn kY ihrdY visAw moK mukiq iqn@ pwieAw ]
Gurbani page 565

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surinder

GuruFateh Sarabjeet ji,

Yes, very true, Bani is great, and all the world is around Bani only,
Without Bani world cant exist.. Bani is within us.. The breathe that is going .. is because of Bani within us,
Bani is vibration, vibrating word... that is present in everybeing(all religion: hindu, muslim sikh christian)..
Yes this is true.. But m not taking the side of our Panth.. m not talking about reading the Bani.. again saying..
as this lines clearly tells that BANI is not what we are understanding...
but Bani is the power that is with in us... (SEE ORANGE lines)

and shabad about which here Gurubani is saying is also within us
and that SHABAD is BANI.
Please read the lines .. u will come to know BANI and SHABAD are one..
and within us. within our heart..
no need to speak from mouth... but we need to contemplate/meditate on the vibration that is already within us
ਸਚੇ ਭਗਤ ਸੋਹਹਿ ਦਰਵਾਰੇ ਸਚੋ ਸਚੁ ਵਖਾਣੇ ਰਾਮ ॥
सचे भगत सोहहि दरवारे सचो सचु वखाणे राम ॥
sachay bhagat soheh darvaaray sacho sach vakhaanay raam.
The true devotees look beautiful in the Darbaar of the Lord's Court. They speak Truth, and only Truth.

ਘਟ ਅੰਤਰੇ ਸਾਚੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਸਾਚੋ ਆਪਿ ਪਛਾਣੇ ਰਾਮ ॥
घट अंतरे साची बाणी साचो आपि पछाणे राम ॥
ghat antray saachee banee saacho aap pachhaanay raam.
Deep within the nucleus of their heart, is the True Word of the Lord's Bani. Through the Truth, they understand themselves.

ਆਪੁ ਪਛਾਣਹਿ ਤਾ ਸਚੁ ਜਾਣਹਿ ਸਾਚੇ ਸੋਝੀ ਹੋਈ ॥
आपु पछाणहि ता सचु जाणहि साचे सोझी होई ॥
aap pachhaaneh taa sach jaaneh saachay sojhee ho-ee.
They understand themselves, and so know the True Lord, through their true intuition.

ਸਚਾ ਸਬਦੁ ਸਚੀ ਹੈ ਸੋਭਾ ਸਾਚੇ ਹੀ ਸੁਖੁ ਹੋਈ ॥
सचा सबदु सची है सोभा साचे ही सुखु होई ॥
sachaa sabad sachee hai sobhaa saachay hee sukh ho-ee.
True is the Shabad, and