12-Jun-2008, 15:02 PM
|  | | | | Enrolled: Mar 27th, 2006
Posts: 462
| |
Liked 87 Times in 50 Posts
| |  | | | Re: Guru Gobind Singh - The Man
Saadh Sangatji, Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-gurus/8002-guru-gobind-singh-the-man.html
Waheguruji ka khalsa Waheguruji ki fateh
I thank Bhai Dr. Khalsaji for his wonderful observation about Dasve Paadshah's great accomplishments and compiling all these thoughts in this wondeful article...
I would appeal to all in this forum...i dont know if i m right ..my view is our Guruji had been a great spiritual Guide to us..but lets not limit His Highness The True Emporor to Panth ..lets take his will to all..even the atheist should regard Him as his Hero... Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8002
Raaj Karega Khalsa * 
 Do share your immediate thoughts or reactions on this issue? We value your views! Login Now! or Sign Up Today! to share your views with us.. Gurfateh! |
12-Jun-2008, 17:09 PM
|  | | | | Enrolled: Jul 30th, 2004 Location: world
Posts: 1,758
| |
Liked 76 Times in 56 Posts
| | | | | Re: Guru Gobind Singh - The Man
Gurfateh
Respected Gyani Sahib Ji, ਸਲੋਕ ਮਃ ੧ ॥ सलोक मः १ ॥ Salok mehlā 1. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8002 Shalok, First Mehl: ਧ੍ਰਿਗੁ ਤਿਨਾ ਕਾ ਜੀਵਿਆ ਜਿ ਲਿਖਿ ਲਿਖਿ ਵੇਚਹਿ ਨਾਉ ॥ ध्रिगु तिना का जीविआ जि लिखि लिखि वेचहि नाउ ॥ Ḏẖarig ṯinā kā jīviā je likẖ likẖ vėcẖeh nāo. Cursed are the lives of those who read and write the Lord's Name to sell it. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8002 ਖੇਤੀ ਜਿਨ ਕੀ ਉਜੜੈ ਖਲਵਾੜੇ ਕਿਆ ਥਾਉ ॥ खेती जिन की उजड़ै खलवाड़े किआ थाउ ॥ Kẖėṯī jin kī ujṛai kẖalvāṛė kiā thāo. Their crop is devastated - what harvest will they have? ਸਚੈ ਸਰਮੈ ਬਾਹਰੇ ਅਗੈ ਲਹਹਿ ਨ ਦਾਦਿ ॥ सचै सरमै बाहरे अगै लहहि न दादि ॥ Sacẖai sarmai bāhrė agai laheh na ḏāḏ. Lacking truth and humility, they shall not be appreciated in the world hereafter. ਅਕਲਿ ਏਹ ਨ ਆਖੀਐ ਅਕਲਿ ਗਵਾਈਐ ਬਾਦਿ ॥ अकलि एह न आखीऐ अकलि गवाईऐ बादि ॥ Akal ėh na ākẖīai akal gavāīai bāḏ. Wisdom which leads to arguments is not called wisdom. ਅਕਲੀ ਸਾਹਿਬੁ ਸੇਵੀਐ ਅਕਲੀ ਪਾਈਐ ਮਾਨੁ ॥ अकली साहिबु सेवीऐ अकली पाईऐ मानु ॥ Aklī sāhib sėvīai aklī pāīai mān. Wisdom leads us to serve our Lord and Master; through wisdom, honor is obtained. ਅਕਲੀ ਪੜ੍ਹ੍ਹਿ ਕੈ ਬੁਝੀਐ ਅਕਲੀ ਕੀਚੈ ਦਾਨੁ ॥ अकली पड़्हि कै बुझीऐ अकली कीचै दानु ॥ Aklī paṛĥ kai bujẖīai aklī kīcẖai ḏān. Wisdom does not come by reading textbooks; wisdom inspires us to give in charity. ਨਾਨਕੁ ਆਖੈ ਰਾਹੁ ਏਹੁ ਹੋਰਿ ਗਲਾਂ ਸੈਤਾਨੁ ॥੧॥ नानकु आखै राहु एहु होरि गलां सैतानु ॥१॥ Nānak ākẖai rāhu ėhu hor galāʼn saiṯān. ||1|| Says Nanak, this is the Path; other things lead to Satan. ||1|| (Ang 1245)
Das thinks to serve Guru is real work of brain then following brain for debate,what das understands wif we take term akkal in Farsi.
But in Sankrit it has a deeper meaing Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Gurmukhi-Gurmukhi Dictionaryਜਿਸ ਦੀਆਂ ਕਲਾਂ ਨਾ ਹੋਣ, ਜਿਸ ਦੇ ਟੋਟੇ ਨਾ ਹੋ ਸਕਣ, ਜੋ ਚੰਦ੍ਰਮਾ ਵਾਂਗ ਘਟਦਾ ਵਧਦਾ ਨਹੀਂ, ਅਖੰਡ ਸ਼ਕਤੀ ਵਾਲਾ। ਸੰਪੂਰਨ। ਬੁਧੀ, ਗਿਆਨ। ਗੁਣ ਰਹਿਤ, ਕਲਾ ਰਹਿਤ, ਹੁਨਰ ਰਹਿਤ। Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Gurmukhi-English DictionaryAra. n. Wisdom, intellect, understanding
Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Gurmukhi-English Data provided by Harjinder Singh Gill, Santa Monica, CA, USA. English TranslationIntelligence, sense, head, wisdom, reason. Mahan Kosh Encyclopediaਅ਼. __ ਅ਼ਕ਼ਲ. {ਸੰਗ੍ਯਾ}. ਬੁੱਧਿ. ਅਸਲ ਵਿੱਚ ਅ਼ਕ਼ਲ ਦਾ ਅਰਥ ਉੱਠ ਦਾ ਨਿਉਲ ਹੈ, ਜੋ ਨਿਉਲ ਦੀ ਤਰ੍ਹਾਂ ਆਦਮੀ ਦੀ ਵ੍ਰਿੱਤੀ ਨੂੰ ਨਿਯਮਾਂ ਵਿੱਚ ਲੈ ਆਵੇ, ਸੋ ਅ਼ਕ਼ਲ ਹੈ। (2) ਸਿਮ੍ਰਿਤਿ. ਯਾਦਦਾਸ਼ਤ। (3) ਸੰ. ਵਿ- ਅਖੰਡ. "ਸਦਾ ਅਕਲ ਲਿਵ ਰਹੈ". (ਸਵੈਯੇ ਮਃ ੨. ਕੇ)। (4) ਅਵਯਵ (ਅੰਗ) ਬਿਨਾ। (5) ਕਲਾ ਰਹਿਤ. ਭਾਵ- ਨਿਰਗੁਣ. "ਅਕਲ ਕਲਾਧਰ ਸੋਈ". (ਸਿਧਗੋਸਟਿ)। (6) ਕਰਤਾਰ. "ਜਿਸੁ ਗੁਰੁ ਤੇ ਅਕਲਗਤਿ ਜਾਣੀ". (ਗਉ ਅਃ ਮਃ ੫)। (7) ਸਿੰਧੀ. ਵਿ- ਨਾ ਜਾਣਿਆ ਹੋਇਆ.
it talks of something without movement and by adding ee(bihari) to it,it is more to become an adjective which is used as naun.
Because as per Gurbani we do not have any thing of our own so how can we use our barin?
all question we apprantly pose are also not our nor are the answers. Page 51, Line 3 ਛੋਡਿ ਸਗਲ ਸਿਆਣਪਾ ਸਾਚਿ ਸਬਦਿ ਲਿਵ ਲਾਇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ छोडि सगल सिआणपा साचि सबदि लिव लाइ ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥ Cẖẖod sagal siāṇpā sācẖ sabaḏ liv lāė. ||1|| rahāo. Give up all your clever mental tricks, and lovingly attune yourself to the True Word of the Shabad. ||1||Pause|| Guru Arjan Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok Page 86, Line 4 ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਤੇਰਾ ਤੂੰ ਸਭਸੁ ਦਾ ਤੂੰ ਸਭਨਾ ਰਾਸਿ ॥ सभु को तेरा तूं सभसु दा तूं सभना रासि ॥ Sabẖ ko ṯėrā ṯūʼn sabẖas ḏā ṯūʼn sabẖnā rās. All are Yours, and You belong to all. You are the wealth of all. Guru Ram Das - view Shabad/Paurhi/SalokPage 106, Line 4 ਮਨੁ ਤਨੁ ਤੇਰਾ ਧਨੁ ਭੀ ਤੇਰਾ ॥ मनु तनु तेरा धनु भी तेरा ॥ Man ṯan ṯėrā ḏẖan bẖī ṯėrā. Mind and body are Yours; all wealth is Yours. Guru Arjan Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok Page 122, Line 10 ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਸਚੇ ਹਰਿ ਜੀਉ ਤੇਰਾ ॥ सभु को सचे हरि जीउ तेरा ॥ Sabẖ ko sacẖė har jīo ṯėrā. All are Yours, O Dear True Lord. Guru Amar Das - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok Page 151, Line 12 ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਤੇਰਾ ਤੂੰ ਸਭਨਾ ਕਾ ਸੋਇ ॥ सभु को तेरा तूं सभना का सोइ ॥ Sabẖ ko ṯėrā ṯūʼn sabẖnā kā soė. All are Yours - You are the Lord of all. Guru Nanak Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok Till e do not give up semar room mentaility deredars will rule the roost but das has seen Bhai Manider Pal Singh Ji of Ropar missionary collage conducting the classes in Dera Sant Baba Karam Singh,Delhi.Such middle ruoute is better. as more amd more we condem Deredars and they keep quite,they are made heros and we are made bunch of jokers. If possible das rquest that conversation between Prof Darshan Singh Ji Khalsaarshan Singh Ji and Sant Ranjit Singh Ji of Dhadrian be posed over here by Bhai Dr Khalsa. Das post seems to be out of contet in this thread so could be moved if needed. Akal Bless  |
05-Oct-2008, 10:44 AM
|  | | | | Enrolled: Apr 25th, 2006
Posts: 2,433
| |
Liked 1,215 Times in 612 Posts
| |  | | | Re: Guru Gobind Singh - The Man
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gyani Jarnail Singh  Lets NOT second guess the GURU...guys. Whatever HE did or didnt do is entirely His DOMAIN.
Swaal Jwaab dovehn kareh..is straight road to DISASTER.
2. Otherwise some others will also ask WHY...THREE GURUS DIDNT write a single tuk of Gurbani ?OR IF they did it isnt included in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji ?? why ?? Was THAT also to "CONTROL WEIGHT" (Dieting gurbani style ??) Guru hargobind Ji-Guru har rai Ji and Guru har KISHAN Ji are the three Gurus who have no Gurbani in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.
3. Then some other smarty kacheras may say..WHY Guru arjun Ji wrote "So many" and Bhagt Bhikhan Ji only one tuk ?? Why Guru Angad Ji only wrote Saloks...and no Vaars ?? WHY are there THREE only slightly different versions of SODAR...and a Slok in Sukhmani is written TWICE with an INJUNCTION to READ IT TWICE !!! Eh slok AAD- AANT parrhna !!! ( also to stop a smarty pants from saying..AHH Guru ji made a mistake...same slok twice..once read already..enough lah...why bother to read again ??)
4. There are plenty of derawadees killing flies on flies...and there are plenty of scholars questioning everything..BOTH have faults. Guru ji says..AAkleen SAHIB seveah.use your brains !!
Warmest regards to all especially Vijaydeep Singh Ji.
Gyani jarnail Singh | Gyani ji,
Using a brain comes with the the very important ability to question. Without questions, there is no answer. Sometimes even with questions there is no answer but questions is what it all begins with. Thinking requires one to question. i would go as far as saying if you do not question, you do not think. EVEN Our gurus questioned the flaws in society. The one of the biggest questions they asked was: ਮਃ ੧ ॥ मः १ ॥
Mėhlā 1.
First Mehl: ਭੰਡਿ ਜੰਮੀਐ ਭੰਡਿ ਨਿੰਮੀਐ ਭੰਡਿ ਮੰਗਣੁ ਵੀਆਹੁ ॥ भंडि जमीऐ भंडि निमीऐ भंडि मंगणु वीआहु ॥
Bẖand jammī▫ai bẖand nimmī▫ai bẖand mangaṇ vī▫āhu.
From woman, man is born; within woman, man is conceived; to woman he is engaged and married. ਭੰਡਹੁ ਹੋਵੈ ਦੋਸਤੀ ਭੰਡਹੁ ਚਲੈ ਰਾਹੁ ॥ भंडहु होवै दोसती भंडहु चलै राहु ॥
Bẖandahu hovai ḏosṯī bẖandahu cẖalai rāhu.
Woman becomes his friend; through woman, the future generations come. ਭੰਡੁ ਮੁਆ ਭੰਡੁ ਭਾਲੀਐ ਭੰਡਿ ਹੋਵੈ ਬੰਧਾਨੁ ॥ भंडु मुआ भंडु भालीऐ भंडि होवै बंधानु ॥
Bẖand mu▫ā bẖand bẖālī▫ai bẖand hovai banḏẖān.
When his woman dies, he seeks another woman; to woman he is bound. ਸੋ ਕਿਉ ਮੰਦਾ ਆਖੀਐ ਜਿਤੁ ਜੰਮਹਿ ਰਾਜਾਨ ॥ सो किउ मंदा आखीऐ जितु जमहि राजान ॥
So ki▫o manḏā ākẖī▫ai jiṯ jamėh rājān.
So why call her bad? From her, kings are born. ਭੰਡਹੁ ਹੀ ਭੰਡੁ ਊਪਜੈ ਭੰਡੈ ਬਾਝੁ ਨ ਕੋਇ ॥ भंडहु ही भंडु ऊपजै भंडै बाझु न कोइ ॥
Bẖandahu hī bẖand ūpjai bẖandai bājẖ na ko▫e.
From woman, woman is born; without woman, there would be no one at all. ਨਾਨਕ ਭੰਡੈ ਬਾਹਰਾ ਏਕੋ ਸਚਾ ਸੋਇ ॥ नानक भंडै बाहरा एको सचा सोइ ॥
Nānak bẖandai bāhrā eko sacẖā so▫e.
O Nanak, only the True Lord is without a woman. ਜਿਤੁ ਮੁਖਿ ਸਦਾ ਸਾਲਾਹੀਐ ਭਾਗਾ ਰਤੀ ਚਾਰਿ ॥ जितु मुखि सदा सालाहीऐ भागा रती चारि ॥
Jiṯ mukẖ saḏā salāhī▫ai bẖāgā raṯī cẖār.
That mouth which praises the Lord continually is blessed and beautiful. ਨਾਨਕ ਤੇ ਮੁਖ ਊਜਲੇ ਤਿਤੁ ਸਚੈ ਦਰਬਾਰਿ ॥੨॥ नानक ते मुख ऊजले तितु सचै दरबारि ॥२॥
Nānak ṯe mukẖ ūjle ṯiṯ sacẖai ḏarbār. ||2||
O Nanak, those faces shall be radiant in the Court of the True Lord. ||2||
-------------------------------------------------------
More questions by our "kachera"  gurus: Page 1, Line 6 ਕਿਵ ਸਚਿਆਰਾ ਹੋਈਐ ਕਿਵ ਕੂੜੈ ਤੁਟੈ ਪਾਲਿ ॥ किव सचिआरा होईऐ किव कूड़ै तुटै पालि ॥ Kiv sacẖi▫ārā ho▫ī▫ai kiv kūrhai ṯutai pāl. So how can you become truthful? And how can the veil of illusion be torn away? Guru Nanak Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok Page 1, Line 10 ਗਾਵੈ ਕੋ ਤਾਣੁ ਹੋਵੈ ਕਿਸੈ ਤਾਣੁ ॥ गावै को ताणु होवै किसै ताणु ॥ Gāvai ko ṯāṇ hovai kisai ṯāṇ. Some sing of His Power-who has that Power? Guru Nanak Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok Page 2, Line 4 ਫੇਰਿ ਕਿ ਅਗੈ ਰਖੀਐ ਜਿਤੁ ਦਿਸੈ ਦਰਬਾਰੁ ॥ फेरि कि अगै रखीऐ जितु दिसै दरबारु ॥ Fer kė agai rakẖī▫ai jiṯ ḏisai ḏarbār. So what offering can we place before Him, by which we might see the Darbaar of His Court? Guru Nanak Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok Page 2, Line 4 ਮੁਹੌ ਕਿ ਬੋਲਣੁ ਬੋਲੀਐ ਜਿਤੁ ਸੁਣਿ ਧਰੇ ਪਿਆਰੁ ॥ मुहौ कि बोलणु बोलीऐ जितु सुणि धरे पिआरु ॥ Muhou kė bolaṇ bolī▫ai jiṯ suṇ ḏẖare pi▫ār. What words can we speak to evoke His Love? Guru Nanak Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok Page 2, Line 11 ਤੀਰਥਿ ਨਾਵਾ ਜੇ ਤਿਸੁ ਭਾਵਾ ਵਿਣੁ ਭਾਣੇ ਕਿ ਨਾਇ ਕਰੀ ॥ तीरथि नावा जे तिसु भावा विणु भाणे कि नाइ करी ॥ Ŧirath nāvā je ṯis bẖāvā viṇ bẖāṇe kė nā▫e karī. If I am pleasing to Him, then that is my pilgrimage and cleansing bath. Without pleasing Him, what good are ritual cleansings? Guru Nanak Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok Page 2, Line 11 ਜੇਤੀ ਸਿਰਠਿ ਉਪਾਈ ਵੇਖਾ ਵਿਣੁ ਕਰਮਾ ਕਿ ਮਿਲੈ ਲਈ ॥ जेती सिरठि उपाई वेखा विणु करमा कि मिलै लई ॥ Jeṯī siraṯẖ upā▫ī vekẖā viṇ karmā kė milai la▫ī. I gaze upon all the created beings: without the karma of good actions, what are they given to receive? Guru Nanak Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok Page 2, Line 15 ਜੇ ਤਿਸੁ ਨਦਰਿ ਨ ਆਵਈ ਤ ਵਾਤ ਨ ਪੁਛੈ ਕੇ ॥ जे तिसु नदरि न आवई त वात न पुछै के ॥ Je ṯis naḏar na āvī ṯa vāṯ na pucẖẖai ke. still, if the Lord does not bless you with His Glance of Grace, then who cares? What is the use? Guru Nanak Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok Page 3, Line 14 ਤਿਸ ਤੇ ਭਾਰੁ ਤਲੈ ਕਵਣੁ ਜੋਰੁ ॥ तिस ते भारु तलै कवणु जोरु ॥ Ŧis ṯe bẖār ṯalai kavaṇ jor. What power holds them, and supports their weight? Guru Nanak Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok Page 3, Line 15 ਏਹੁ ਲੇਖਾ ਲਿਖਿ ਜਾਣੈ ਕੋਇ ॥ एहु लेखा लिखि जाणै कोइ ॥ Ėhu lekẖā likẖ jāṇai ko▫e. Who knows how to write this account? Guru Nanak Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok Page 12, Line 13 ਤੇਰੇ ਦਾਨੈ ਕੀਮਤਿ ਨਾ ਪਵੈ ਤਿਸੁ ਦਾਤੇ ਕਵਣੁ ਸੁਮਾਰੁ ॥੨॥ तेरे दानै कीमति ना पवै तिसु दाते कवणु सुमारु ॥२॥ Ŧere ḏānai kīmaṯ nā pavai ṯis ḏāṯe kavaṇ sumār. ||2|| Your Gifts cannot be appraised; how can anyone compare to the Giver? ||2|| Guru Nanak Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok Page 14, Line 11 ਭੀ ਤੇਰੀ ਕੀਮਤਿ ਨਾ ਪਵੈ ਹਉ ਕੇਵਡੁ ਆਖਾ ਨਾਉ ॥੧॥ भी तेरी कीमति ना पवै हउ केवडु आखा नाउ ॥१॥ Bẖī ṯerī kīmaṯ nā pavai ha▫o kevad ākẖā nā▫o. ||1|| even so, I could not estimate Your Value. How can I describe the Greatness of Your Name? ||1|| Guru Nanak Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok
----------------------
I think this ordinary "kachera" made his point. Page 1239, Line 16 ਨਾਨਕ ਪੁਛਿਆ ਦੇਇ ਪੁਜਾਇ ॥ नानक पुछिआ देइ पुजाइ ॥ Nānak pucẖẖi▫ā ḏe▫e pujā▫e. O Nanak, when questioned, the answer is given. Guru Nanak Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok |
05-Oct-2008, 12:16 PM
|  | | | | Enrolled: Feb 25th, 2008 Location: USA
Posts: 1,584
| |
Liked 616 Times in 317 Posts
| |  | | | Re: Guru Gobind Singh - The Man
Gyani ji,
Using a brain comes with the the very important ability to question. Without questions, there is no answer. Sometimes even with questions there is no answer but questions is what it all begins with. Thinking requires one to question. i would go as far as saying if you do not question, you do not think. EVEN Our gurus questioned the flaws in society. The one of the biggest questions they asked was L( quote Bhagat Singh Ji) Obviously Bhagat Singh ji, you have no inkling what Gyani ji has tried to convey. Purpose of his post was to regard Guus and leave to them what they did or didn’t. Coming back to questioning, you have quoted Gurbani to advocate you own views of learning by questioning. What would you have learnt from all uncalled for questions Gyani has quoted? What questions Guru ji raised as per your quotes, are already answered by Guru himself, that was his style of expression (not learning by questioning as you think.) First of all, your quotes do not support anything you say; however, lets look at where there is question- like statements if they support you ਕਿਵ ਸਚਿਆਰਾ ਹੋਈਐ ਕਿਵ ਕੂੜੈ ਤੁਟੈ ਪਾਲਿ ॥
Kiv sacẖi▫ārā ho▫ī▫ai kiv kūrhai ṯutai pāl. So how can you become truthful? And how can the veil of illusion be torn away? Guru Nanak Here above, Guru ji asks a question but in the following Guru Vaak, he answers it. “Hukam Rajaaee chalna Nanak Likhya naal” So where is the question? Isn’t it answered by Guru himself? This is Guru’s style to teach the followers.Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8002 ਗਾਵੈ ਕੋ ਤਾਣੁ ਹੋਵੈ ਕਿਸੈ ਤਾਣੁ॥ Gāvai ko ṯāṇ hovai kisai ṯāṇ. Some sing of His Power-who has that Power? Where is the question in above Guru Vaak? ਫੇਰਿ ਕਿ ਅਗੈ ਰਖੀਐ ਜਿਤੁ ਦਿਸੈ ਦਰਬਾਰੁ ॥
Fer kė agai rakẖī▫ai jiṯḏisai ḏarbār. So what offering can we place before Him, by which we might see the Darbaar of His Court? Guru Nanak Dev Page 2, Line 4 ਮੁਹੌ ਕਿ ਬੋਲਣੁ ਬੋਲੀਐ ਜਿਤੁ ਸੁਣਿ ਧਰੇ ਪਿਆਰੁ ॥
Muhou kė bolaṇ bolī▫ai jiṯ suṇḏẖare pi▫ār. What words can we speak to evoke His Love? Guru Nanak Again in above Guru Vaakas, questions are asked to give answers as Guru teaches, answers are aleady given by Guru ji which you have omitted. What do you do with your questions? When you ask, do you answer it or just ask it? If you want to ask, Gyani ji is saying, ask else but “ do not question what Guru did or didn’t because only they knew why” besides, we, Sikhs, are given and told what we need to walk on spiritual path.
ਤੀਰਥਿ ਨਾਵਾ ਜੇ ਤਿਸੁ ਭਾਵਾ ਵਿਣੁ ਭਾਣੇ ਕਿ ਨਾਇ ਕਰੀ ॥
Ŧirath nāvā je ṯis bẖāvā viṇ bẖāṇe kė nā▫e karī. If I am pleasing to Him, then that is my pilgrimage and cleansing bath. Without pleasing Him, what good are ritual cleansings? In above Guru Vaak , where is the question to inquire something? Just copy and paste is going on by you. ਏਹੁ ਲੇਖਾ ਲਿਖਿ ਜਾਣੈ ਕੋਇ ॥
Ėhu lekẖā likẖ jāṇai ko▫e. Who knows how to write this account? Guru Nanak Dev Page 12, Line 13 ਤੇਰੇ ਦਾਨੈ ਕੀਮਤਿ ਨਾ ਪਵੈ ਤਿਸੁ ਦਾਤੇ ਕਵਣੁ ਸੁਮਾਰੁ ॥੨॥
Ŧere ḏānai kīmaṯ nā pavai ṯis ḏāṯe kavaṇ sumār. ||2|| Your Gifts cannot be appraised; how can anyone compare to the Giver? ||2|| Guru Nanak In above Guru Vaakas, there is no question at all but factual statements by Guru ji in context of His being inaccessible, inexpressible or there is condemnation of that deed which is not approved by the Lord. Where is the questioning you are advocating? ਨਾਨਕ ਪੁਛਿਆ ਦੇਇ ਪੁਜਾਇ ॥
Nānak pucẖẖi▫ā ḏe▫e pujā▫e. O Nanak, when questioned, the answer is given. Guru Nanak Using this quote to satisfy your own views, you have misused Guru Vaak, lets read it in its complete form, in the following, while describing beyond measurable weight of (importance)Naam, Guru ji is saying about weighing too heaving things with Goldsmith’s weighing scale, is not possible but through mere talks he satisfies the questioner, only fool can believe it because people who know the truth understand that he utters lies. Bhagat Singh ji, read carefully, you will not find whatever you have advocated in your post. Humbly I request you, do not distort Gurbani for own satisfaction if it is not a fact, God’s sake. ਸਲੋਕ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਤੁਲੀਅਹਿ ਤੋਲ ਜੇ ਜੀਉ ਪਿਛੈ ਪਾਈਐ ॥ ਇਕਸੁ ਨ ਪੁਜਹਿ ਬੋਲ ਜੇ ਪੂਰੇ ਪੂਰਾ ਕਰਿ ਮਿਲੈ ॥ ਵਡਾ ਆਖਣੁ ਭਾਰਾ ਤੋਲੁ ॥ ਹੋਰ ਹਉਲੀ ਮਤੀ ਹਉਲੇ ਬੋਲ ॥ ਧਰਤੀ ਪਾਣੀ ਪਰਬਤ ਭਾਰੁ ॥ ਕਿਉਕੰਡੈਤੋਲੈਸੁਨਿਆਰੁ॥ਤੋਲਾਮਾਸਾਰਤਕਪਾਇ॥ਨਾਨਕਪੁਛਿਆਦੇਇਪੁਜਾਇ॥ਮੂਰਖਅੰਧਿਆਅੰਧੀਧਾਤੁ॥ਕਹਿਕਹਿਕਹਣੁਕਹਾਇਨਿਆਪੁ ॥੧॥ Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=8002 Slok 1st Guru.Nanak, if man puts hearty love in the hind scale, then alone can he be deemed to be of the full weight.Nothing can equal the utterance of the one Name, which making mortal perfect, unites him with the Perfect Lord. To call the Lord grand, carries great weight. Light are other intellects and light other utterances. The weight of the earth, the ocean and the mountain,how can this be weighed by a goldsmith,with his balance using the weights of a tola, 1/12 of a tola and a jequitery?When questioned, he satisfies the questioner, O Nanak. Blind is the running about of the blind fools.The more they say, utter and talk, the more they expose themselves.
Last edited by Aman Singh; 24-Jan-2009 at 08:00 AM.
|
05-Oct-2008, 12:23 PM
| | | | | Enrolled: Apr 25th, 2006
Posts: 2,433
| |
Liked 1,215 Times in 612 Posts
| | | | | Re: Guru Gobind Singh - The Man
Quote:
Originally Posted by pk70 Gyani ji,
Using a brain comes with the the very important ability to question. Without questions, there is no answer. Sometimes even with questions there is no answer but questions is what it all begins with. Thinking requires one to question. i would go as far as saying if you do not question, you do not think. EVEN Our gurus questioned the flaws in society. The one of the biggest questions they asked wasL( quote Bhagat Singh Ji)
Obviously Bhagat Singh ji, you have no inkling what Gyani ji has tried to convey. Purpose of his post was to regard Guus and leave to them what they did or didn’t.
| Maybe you should have ASKED me if I got the point of his post, which I did FYI. I stand by what I said. Questioning is part of learning and thinking. Like you suggest, it can also be used to teach. Either way, humans question! that is what we do!
NO i haven't twisted anything to suit my views. I merely presented the questions the Gurus have asked. It does not matter if they present their views to the question or not, or that it is their style. They have asked the questions, that is what matters! |
05-Oct-2008, 12:40 PM
| | | | | Enrolled: Feb 25th, 2008 Location: USA
Posts: 1,584
| |
Liked 616 Times in 317 Posts
| | | | | Re: Guru Gobind Singh - The Man
Quote:
Originally Posted by BhagatSingh Maybe you should have ASKED me if I got the point of his post, which I did FYI. I stand by what I said. Questioning is part of learning and thinking. Like you suggest, it can also be used to teach. Either way, humans question! that is what we do!
NO i have twisted anything to suit my views. I merely presented the questions the Gurus have asked. It does not matter if they present their views to the question or not, or that it is their style. They have asked the questions, that is what matters! | This is what you have quoted
ਨਾਨਕ ਪੁਛਿਆ ਦੇਇ ਪੁਜਾਇ ॥
Nānak pucẖẖi▫ā ḏe▫e pujā▫e. O Nanak, when questioned, the answer is given.
and think Guu ji supports you in questioning and learning but it is used by Guru to tell about those who satisfy questioners to fool others who do not know, how you can justify that this Guru Vaak supports questioning and learning. By the way this quote is used by you totally out of context.
You stand by your stand, it doesnt matter to me but Gurbani quotes you quoted do not support you that is for share. I have no intention to question you or your views, its none of my business; however, falsely you cannot use Gurbani to support you when it doesnt. Had you understood Gyani ji, you wouldnt have given quotes of Gurbani that do not support you.
Last edited by Aman Singh; 24-Jan-2009 at 08:05 AM.
|
05-Oct-2008, 12:49 PM
| | | | | Enrolled: Apr 25th, 2006
Posts: 2,433
| |
Liked 1,215 Times in 612 Posts
| | | | | Re: Guru Gobind Singh - The Man
Quote:
Originally Posted by pk70
and think Guu ji supports you in questioning and learning but it is used by Guru to tell about those who satisfy questioners to fool others who do not know, how you can justify that this Guru Vaak supports questioning and learning.
|  |
05-Oct-2008, 12:57 PM
| | | | | Enrolled: Feb 25th, 2008 Location: USA
Posts: 1,584
| |
Liked 616 Times in 317 Posts
| | | | | Re: Guru Gobind Singh - The Man
Quote:
Originally Posted by BhagatSingh | Read the whole shabad, and figure it out in what context "question is answered " is used, if still confusion remains, May Waheguru bless you
ਸਲੋਕ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਤੁਲੀਅਹਿ ਤੋਲ ਜੇ ਜੀਉ ਪਿਛੈ ਪਾਈਐ ॥ ਇਕਸੁ ਨ ਪੁਜਹਿ ਬੋਲ ਜੇ ਪੂਰੇ ਪੂਰਾ ਕਰਿ ਮਿਲੈ ॥ ਵਡਾ ਆਖਣੁ ਭਾਰਾ ਤੋਲੁ ॥ ਹੋਰ ਹਉਲੀ ਮਤੀ ਹਉਲੇ ਬੋਲ ॥ ਧਰਤੀ ਪਾਣੀ ਪਰਬਤ ਭਾਰੁ ॥ ਕਿਉਕੰਡੈਤੋਲੈਸੁਨਿਆਰੁ॥ਤੋਲਾਮਾਸਾਰਤਕਪਾਇ॥ਨਾਨਕਪੁਛਿਆਦੇਇਪੁਜਾਇ॥ਮੂਰਖਅੰਧਿਆਅੰਧੀਧਾਤੁ॥ਕਹਿਕਹਿਕਹਣੁਕਹਾਇਨਿਆਪੁ ॥੧॥ Slok 1st Guru.Nanak, if man puts hearty love in the hind scale, then alone can he be deemed to be of the full weight.Nothing can equal the utterance of the one Name, which making mortal perfect, unites him with the Perfect Lord. To call the Lord grand, carries great weight. Light are other intellects and light other utterances. The weight of the earth, the ocean and the mountain,how can this be weighed by a goldsmith,with his balance using the weights of a tola, 1/12 of a tola and a jequitery?When questioned, he satisfies the questioner, O Nanak. Blind is the running about of the blind fools.The more they say, utter and talk, the more they expose themselves. |
05-Oct-2008, 13:13 PM
| | | | | Enrolled: Apr 25th, 2006
Posts: 2,433
| |
Liked 1,215 Times in 612 Posts
| | | | | Re: Guru Gobind Singh - The Man
Quote:
Originally Posted by pk70 Read the whole shabad, and figure it out in what context "question is answered " is used, if still confusion remains, May Waheguru bless you
ਸਲੋਕ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਤੁਲੀਅਹਿ ਤੋਲ ਜੇ ਜੀਉ ਪਿਛੈ ਪਾਈਐ ॥ ਇਕਸੁ ਨ ਪੁਜਹਿ ਬੋਲ ਜੇ ਪੂਰੇ ਪੂਰਾ ਕਰਿ ਮਿਲੈ ॥ ਵਡਾ ਆਖਣੁ ਭਾਰਾ ਤੋਲੁ ॥ ਹੋਰ ਹਉਲੀ ਮਤੀ ਹਉਲੇ ਬੋਲ ॥ ਧਰਤੀ ਪਾਣੀ ਪਰਬਤ ਭਾਰੁ ॥ ਕਿਉਕੰਡੈਤੋਲੈਸੁਨਿਆਰੁ॥ਤੋਲਾਮਾਸਾਰਤਕਪਾਇ॥ਨਾਨਕਪੁਛਿਆਦੇਇਪੁਜਾਇ॥ਮੂਰਖਅੰਧਿਆਅੰਧੀਧਾਤੁ॥ਕਹਿਕਹਿਕਹਣੁਕਹਾਇਨਿਆਪੁ ॥੧॥ Slok 1st Guru.Nanak, if man puts hearty love in the hind scale, then alone can he be deemed to be of the full weight.Nothing can equal the utterance of the one Name, which making mortal perfect, unites him with the Perfect Lord. To call the Lord grand, carries great weight. Light are other intellects and light other utterances. The weight of the earth, the ocean and the mountain,how can this be weighed by a goldsmith,with his balance using the weights of a tola, 1/12 of a tola and a jequitery?When questioned, he satisfies the questioner, O Nanak. Blind is the running about of the blind fools.The more they say, utter and talk, the more they expose themselves. | Ok i just looked over another translation of it. Dr. Sant Singh's translation was different. I used it based on his translation which made sense.
Anyhow, Bhai Manmohan SIngh's translation also made sene. So i apologize for using the shabad  .. incorrectly? | 
Support Us! Become a Promoter! | | Gurfateh ji, you can become a SPN Promoter by Donating as little as $10 each month. With limited resources & high operational costs, your donations make it possible for us to deliver a quality website and spread the teachings of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, to serve & uplift humanity. Every contribution counts. Donate Generously. Gurfateh! |
|
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests) | | | | Tools | Search | | | | | Display Modes |  Linear Mode |
Posting Rules
| You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts
HTML code is On
| | | |   » Gurbani Jukebox |  Listen to Gurbani while surfing SPN! | | » Active Discussions | | |  ਸ਼ਹੀਦੀ Today 19:31 PM 0 Replies, 4 Views | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | ਨਾਮਾ Today 06:37 AM 2 Replies, 63 Views | | | | | | | | | | » Books You Should Read... | | | |
