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(4) The Muslims follow these dates and are not afraid. Why we ? Because our people talk less on Gurmat and much more on raising doubts. Guru save the Faith.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=33644

THEY DONT FOLLOW the LUNISOLAR Calendar....ONLY THE LUNAR CALENDAR - the PURE ONE. Thus they dont have any problems.

Please read the relevant portions of my reply above which refer to this point.
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Re: Parkash Divas of Guru Gobind Singh : Celebrating with Uncertainty

To repeat words of Gyani ji which do not actually need to be repeated. The Bikrami Calendar is both solar and lunar. This was explained in the first article of the thread.
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Re: Parkash Divas of Guru Gobind Singh : Celebrating with Uncertainty

Dear Readers of Sikh Philosophy,

The purpose of celebration is to revisit our faith in our Guru AND His Teachings. Whereas Guru's Parkash Divas should be celebrated every moment every day of life and we do so when we do Ardas and when we do Simran.

Calendar change is not a spiritual decision but a political one. So are we discussing Sikh politics or Sikh religion?

However, let it be understood, that stating that we wish to move away from the traditional calendar because it is in your mind set a Hindu Calendar is very wrong reason and divisive decision to confuse the community It is a debate coined to suggest that "you are trying to encompass all Sikhs to be projected as if they Hate Hindus that is why they wish to discard Traditional calendar in favor of Nanakshahi" I not only condemn this debate as against the Sikh tenants and beliefs and message of our Gurus and would like you to rephrase to absolutely stop it.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=33644

Let us first understand the Purpose of establishing Nanakshhi Calendar : is it not copying Christian Calendar as they started every thing from the date of Jesus Birth and so we want to start every thing from Guru's birth. as with embracing Guru Nanak as our Guru we are all reborn on that day. Good taught but that should not give you reason to say because it was Hindu Calendar that is why we wish to discard that it is mean and low. I love my Guru and already start my every day with His name and by embracing Nanakshahi is another mile stone in my faith but i will not make this mile stone of my Universal Guru with any reason or suggestion of hatred for any one. I live every day and plan my work based on Christian Calendar. I celebrate the Sangrad based of Indian traditional calendar and many other days as it is part of Guru Granth Sahib.
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Calendars were based on Scientific understanding of the moment of Stars in the universe and the religion was mixed to make them more acceptable among people and the same were exploited for "Ghatda Grahan ans amny other superstitions by Sri Guru nanak DevJi" Barah Mah comes two time in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and it all directs not to the month but directs all humans to Guru Nanak's message what should be done in that month. However, today education and knowledge is imparted more and should make people grow into wisdom.

What you call Hindu with sense of Hatred as I could smell from your e mail is against Guru Nanak Principle of "Sanjhi Vaar" I wonder what and who is attempting to corrupt Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji's True Message to the whole universe. We as born Sikhs in the Sikhs families are not any "Thekedaars" for the Sikhism, Gurbani lives and Sri Guru Granth Sahib itself gives all answer please do not overshadow those with unmindful and twisted debates.

Celebrate GURU's Day every day ""Nit Japiye saas Giras " that is Celebration of the Birthday of the GURU.

What you refer as HINDU calendar is infact is The Indian Traditional Calendar and is celebrated in SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB AND I REALLY DESPISE THOSE WHO ARE TRYING TO TAKE CHARGE OF SIKH PHILOSOHPY AND MAKING IT CORRUPT AND ASSUMING ROLES OF MAULVI LIKE BY STARTING UNMEANINGFUL AND DUBIOUS DEBATES. GURU NANAK'S REAL TEACHING OF UNIVERSAL BROTHERHOOD HAS NO PLACE FOR ALL THIS. WHAT SHOULD I EXPECT NEXT AMENDMENT OF GURBANI " BARAH MAH'.

I can surely tell that such notions and debates and messages through the internet is going to confuse the young generation of Sikhs who depend lot on internet to know in reality what is Guru Nanak's Teaching are.


Please be clear when you start that debate about what SGG says about Desi months : "Thit war na jogi Jaane Rut mah na Koi, Ja karta Shrishti Ko sajey appey janney soi" So dates and months by what ever name they are called has no importance IN sIKHISM.

YOU CAN NOT BREAK AWAY FROM TRADITIONS TILL TODAY MANY AMRITDHARI SIKHS USE THEIR CASTES AND PRACTICE CASTISM FOLLOW SUPERSTITIONS AND I HAVE TESTED ON MANY BY POSING AS FORTUNETELLER AND FOUND MANY AMRITDHARI SIKHS AND PARCHARAKS FELL INTO THAT. THERE IS NEED FOR SELF CHANGE NOT CALENDAR CHANGE.
WHEN WE FAIL TO CLEAN OUR MINDS WE WANT TO COVER LOT OF OUR DIRT WITH OSTENTIOUS DECORATIONS.

CAN YOU FIRST TAKE THAT STEP AND FIRST -LEARN TO FOLLOW GURU'S MESSAGE BEFORE AMENDING AND CHANGING HIS DATES OF BIRTH PLEASE CHANGE YOUR MINDSET OF HATERED AND DIVISIVENESS
"MANAS KI JAAT SABE EKO PEHCHANBO" GURU GOBIND SINGH

Love all do not find hate as areason to start or leave any thing

May Akal Purukh give us all sumat that we can follow our Guru with Truth and Love in our Heart

Yours Harinaam
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Re: Parkash Divas of Guru Gobind Singh : Celebrating with Uncertainty

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However, let it be understood, that stating that we wish to move away from the traditional calendar because it is in your mind set a Hindu Calendar is very wrong reason and divisive decision to confuse the community It is a debate coined to suggest that "you are trying to encompass all Sikhs to be projected as if they Hate Hindus that is why they wish to discard Traditional calendar in favor of Nanakshahi"
Gurfateh Harinaam ji,
Thank you for your input. However, I feel you have got us wrong. Nobody is advocating hate at all, merely a separate identity from Hindus and the use of a separate calendar which makes more sense as per Sikh philosophy. If it has come across as hate, I apologise but that was not the intention.

Guru Nanak Dev ji challenged old traditions so just because something has been in use for a long time is not a reason to automatically accept it.

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Celebrate GURU's Day every day ""Nit Japiye saas Giras " that is Celebration of the Birthday of the GURU.
Absolutely agree in theory! However, persuading Gurdwara's all over the world to cancel Gurpurbs for these occasions will be more of a challenge!
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Let us first understand the Purpose of establishing Nanakshhi Calendar : is it not copying Christian Calendar as they started every thing from the date of Jesus Birth and so we want to start every thing from Guru's birth. as with embracing Guru Nanak as our Guru we are all reborn on that day.

As another point of information, also made in the first article of the thread. The Nanakshahi Calendar does not start with Jesus' birth. it begins with the birth of Guru Nanak. March 14 Gregorian, or 1 Chet 531 Nanakshahi. The connection to the Gregorian Calendar is to fix gurpurabs and festival dates, but only as per the conversion from Nanakshahi's first day, through the entire year. For that matter, the Gregorian Calendar does not start with Jesus' birth either.

I apologize if the description was not clear of if it caused any offense. Since the Gregorian Calendar is adopted for practical purposes throughout the world, including India, the decision to use it is not political but to make communication across nations and cultures more practical.
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Re: Parkash Divas of Guru Gobind Singh : Celebrating with Uncertainty

Respected Sir

Waheguru ji khalsa, Waheguruji ki Fateh,

In my opinion the Nanak Shahi calender has created more confusion and divided the Sikh community. For example in most of the Gurdwaras world over the Sangrand is still observed according to Old calender, but only in some Gurdwaras in India the Nanak Shahi calender is followed. There is some time difference of two days in these dates. Let SGPC evolve a calender acceptable to entire Sikh community and follow same dates through out the world. For example I am presently visiting California (USA) and wanted to know the date of Sangrand in December. Almost all the Gurdwaras in California listed it on 14 December , but In Amritsar Golden Temple it was celebrated on 16 December. I appeal to SGPC to look into these anomalies.
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Re: Parkash Divas of Guru Gobind Singh : Celebrating with Uncertainty

I thinks it's the Karma of the Act of the Celebration, the Karma of the Honor Given through the Commemoration of the Enlightened Gurus Birth that is what matters; and while you mean to Honor Guru Gobind Singh by trying to justify these scholoatically challenging discrepencies in these calenders, I think he'd agree that simply being thought of Positively one any randomly chosen day, once a year, would be enough.
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It will no doubt be debated for years to come - as I hope their will always be Sikhs.
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Re: Parkash Divas of Guru Gobind Singh : Celebrating with Uncertainty

Prakash Divas of GURU GOBIND SINGH Ji..Celebirating with uncertainty'

We must take the guidance from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji regarding the whole matter of celebirations.
If we truely follow the GURMATi from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji then we would be able to find a better solution as to what we are doing and what we must do?

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Unfortunately the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji ha s never figured in any "Hukmnama" since about 30 years ago..when the likes of Sants fateh and Channan Singh and GS Tohra came to power. From then on the paid servants of SGPC were bestowed the power to issue "Hukmnamahs"...and the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji was never again consulted/nor ardass performed before the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji to seek guidance. Thus the JORRANN philosophy of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji was transformed into the TORRAN Philosophy....more and more excommunications instead of forgiveness, tolerance, peace and brotherhood..Haumai...I say so I am the Jathedar..listen to ME or you get out and stay out.Period.
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The PREVIOUS Nanakshai Calendar was issued in 2003 with ALL the 3 Punjab Takhat Jathedars and SGPC, worldwide academics etc etc in agreement...the recent one was issued with Takhat Damdama Sahib Jathedar in complete DISAGREEMENT..world wide academics, sikh organsiations in DISAGREEMENT...Takhat Keshgarh celebrating Gurpurabs on its own...rough shod over...aapo dhaapee verywhere...
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=33644

We should and Have to seek the GUIDANCE of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji..our GURU...and leave the MEN aside.... has to STOP !!
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