Gurgaddi Questions

Narayanjot Kaur · #10 (**permalink**) 09-Nov-2009, 10:45 AM

Tejwant ji and Gyani ji

Thanks to both of you.. The important thing is to relieve the case of nerves that the story has created for one forum member. I am sure that you have cleared the situation up for that member.

I certainly learned a chapter full myself in reading your comments and the historical material. This chapter alone is worth being a member here.

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Gyani Jarnail Singh · #11 (**permalink**) 09-Nov-2009, 17:49 PM

Narayanjot kaur ji,
gurfateh.

SPN is definitley turning into the Numero Uno..."FAQ" resource on Sikhism/Gurmatt/Sikh History/various other topics of General interest...knowledgeable sections..in fact there is anything and everything for each one..young, old, teen, sikh and non-sikh. SPN is one of a kind...and we are all responsible for this phenomenal success...it gladdens my heart whenever i read such posts....this is genuine seva in its own way...

vivekraj · #12 (**permalink**) 10-Nov-2009, 03:33 AM

Dear friends
sorry to say nobody answered the question rightly and panicked and tried to blame deras etc. I do not hesitate to say that i can see tenth master in all even in dera followers or panth dokhis . i do not want to control anybody's life.
Nepotism is a common accusation in politics when the relative of a powerful figure ascends to similar power seemingly without appropriate qualifications.

First of all gurgaddi cannot be equated with normal political power gaddi.
None of the gurus was greedy of power, land , status or money and did not derive any benefit from it.
All the gurus lived for others and set up examples of sacrifices, altrusitic volunatary service and love to humanity
It was bibi bhani who wanted all the brahm gianis or Gurus to be born in her family or lineage. and there is no harm in asking for this.

After fourth master fifth master gave his life as sacrifice to uphold truth . A nepotist person will never give his sacrifice at the altar of humanity
sixth guru gave the humanity martial spirits. Howver he was also in favour of peaceful means tried first he was instrumental in giving the initial shape of saint soldier concept
now the sixth master could have given gurgaddi to ninth master had he been nepotistic but instead give gurgaddi to guru har rai sahib his grandson
again Guru har rai ji did such magical work for humanity and had he been nepotist he would have given gurgaddi to ninth master but it was given to his son who was eightyears old.
Now giving gurgaddi to small child would have meant risking the whole sikh identity (as mughals wanted to destroy the sikh nation but guru har rai was not nepotist).The jyot of guru nank was passed to small child who again for curing the deadly disease of people risked his life.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-gurus/27443-gurgaddi-questions.html
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=27443
No nepotist person will do it

again the ninth master sacrificed his life so nepotist cannot do this
again the tenth master never conceived any more progeny even after his four sons were martyred
so no guru was nepotist and did not derive any benefit from gurgaddi

also when Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji was compiled no sikh master sat equal to it hence after compilation of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji gurgaddi was symbolic and emant to counter the threat of mughals and panth dokhis. Other things were there:
Sixth, seventh, eigth and tenth master gave the practical shape to the concept of sant and soldier by induging themselves and sikh sangat in simran, meditation and doing altruistic voluntary service.

had the gurus been nepotist we would have a living master with physical body from sodhis till now

how can we rule out that in a family or lineage all the persons can be enlightened.
God does not require anybody suggesstion for any of his decisions

The magical personalities of all the sikh gurus, their sacrifices and gurbani and altrusitic volunatary service is not even found in today' great personalities

any person can be enlightened at any age and love of god is expressed in a person in many ways like gurbani,simran and social service etc

gurfateh there is no need to panic at nay question

Narayanjot Kaur · #13 (**permalink**) 10-Nov-2009, 03:37 AM

vivekraj

All blessing to you to have your answer - and glad that you are so enthusiastic too.

vivekraj · #14 (**permalink**) 10-Nov-2009, 03:43 AM

i go mad and get headache when i visit this site
now i wannot visit
please make this site simple with less links a
am not able to find topics
so good bye friends
actual problem is sikhs do not want to share their knwoeldge and intellect
really i go mad with such congestion of things

Edited by Narayanjot Kaur - adjusted font size and colors to default.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=27443
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=27443

Narayanjot Kaur · #15 (**permalink**) 10-Nov-2009, 04:16 AM

That is OK ji - You have a right to your feelings and opinions. Come back to enjoy the site whenever you wish.

Aman Singh · #16 (**permalink**) 10-Nov-2009, 04:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vivekraj

i go mad and get headache when i visit this site
now i wannot visit
please make this site simple with less links a
am not able to find topics
so good bye friends
actual problem is sikhs do not want to share their knwoeldge and intellect
really i go mad with such congestion of things

Edited by Narayanjot Kaur - adjusted font size and colors to default.

Vivek Ji, thanks for your feedback. We really do appreciate your concern and grievance...

Certainly, you would like to tell us which links are bothering you so much... perhaps you could guide us to a ideal website layout so that other members can also get benefited from this...

We look forward to your concrete feedback in this matter... i have moving this out of context posts here to a new topic under feedback and suggestions section...

Thanks and regards,

Aman

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #17 (**permalink**) 10-Nov-2009, 06:50 AM

anyway who "panicked " ?? i went through all the replies and couldnt find any one who panicked....could it be ME ?? I hope not since i tried my level best to be balanced..but as a human anyone can make mistakes...and I certainly WANT to SHARE all my knowledge ( if i really have any)...in the way i know best..and that is via SPN.

2. The point about navigation...as far as my friend Sardar Gurmit Singh ji of Australia and maybe a few others i dont know about...they being old and non-IT experienced...the Front Page(Main/Home) of SPN may look ..awesome !! (but in a frightening way..as if there is too much info...like walking into a restaurant and asking the waiter what have you..and he rattles off a hundred dishes..when all one may want was just plain daal roti..he he he...after hearing so much "food" the appetite may disappear due to fear of asking the wrong dish ?? or something like that...all this is PERSONAL...we just cannot satisfy each and everyone...all have a learning curve..and slowly learn at own pace..practise makes perfect...
3. My own wish...is that is there any way the SEARCH can be made like in Google...where we type in a word...even a "question"....or just a sentence....and viola...the threads we want are there ..all lined up in single file..Everytime i want to find a thread..i find it so difficult...if its my own..i have to go to my profile and click..find all threads by...or is my own Learning Curve lost in the doldrums...??? and its all there on SPN and i just have to elarn the ropes better..? time will tell..