Was Guru Nanak a Good Father?

JustCurious · #28 (**permalink**) 06-Apr-2010, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Tejwant Singh

Just Curious ji,

Guru Fateh.

Your faith has everything to do with it. I have no idea why you are reluctant to talking about your faith. Why feel so insecure?

We can interact in a better manner and learn from each other's faith?

Do you feel there is some harm in your sharing your faith with us?

Tejwant Singh

It depends why you so ardently wish to discover what my faith is. Is it so that instead of answering my questions you can try and attack my own faith, to get out of answering the questions I posed? As far as you need be concerned I am but a humble searcher for the Truth wherever that may be.

Narayanjot Kaur · #29 (**permalink**) 06-Apr-2010, 02:51 AM

Why do I feel that a "dawah" is on the near horizon? I hope I am wrong.

Tejwant Singh · #30 (**permalink**) 06-Apr-2010, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by JustCurious

It depends why you so ardently wish to discover what my faith is. Is it so that instead of answering my questions you can try and attack my own faith, to get out of answering the questions I posed? As far as you need be concerned I am but a humble searcher for the Truth wherever that may be.

Just Curious ji,

Guru Fateh.

I think you did not read my post and jumped to conclusions without having the right information or looking for knowledge to learn about things.

Why would I attack your faith when I asked you about it when I said in my previous post,"We can interact in a better manner and learn from each other's faith?"

If you consider learning an attack then it shows your own insecurity about your own faith as you are trying to hide yourself by not revealing it which contradicts your own assertion about yourself in your post," am but a humble searcher for the Truth wherever that may be".

A humble servant of Truth confronts truth when asked, not makes justifications and excuses. Truth does not allow its seekers to hide.

So, what is your faith so we can learn from each other?

Be a truthful seeker.

Regards

Tejwant Singh

JustCurious · #31 (**permalink**) 06-Apr-2010, 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Tejwant Singh

Just Curious ji,

Guru Fateh.

I think you did not read my post and jumped to conclusions without having the right information or looking for knowledge to learn about things.

Why would I attack your faith when I asked you about it when I said in my previous post,"We can interact in a better manner and learn from each other's faith?"

If you consider learning an attack then it shows your own insecurity about your own faith as you are trying to hide yourself by not revealing it which contradicts your own assertion about yourself in your post," am but a humble searcher for the Truth wherever that may be".

A humble servant of Truth confronts truth when asked, not makes justifications and excuses. Truth does not allow its seekers to hide.

So, what is your faith so we can learn from each other?

Be a truthful seeker.

Regards

Tejwant Singh

I still cannot understand what my faith has to do with anything. I am asking questions about YOUR faith to understand it better, what has MY faith got to do with anything? If I said that I was Christian, Jew, Muslim, Hindu or whatever then what? What will you do with that Information? How will it help you to answer my questions? Why should my faith and you not knowing what it is prevent you from being able to answer my questions?

Tejwant Singh · #32 (**permalink**) 06-Apr-2010, 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by JustCurious

I still cannot understand what my faith has to do with anything. I am asking questions about YOUR faith to understand it better, what has MY faith got to do with anything? If I said that I was Christian, Jew, Muslim, Hindu or whatever then what? What will you do with that Information? How will it help you to answer my questions? Why should my faith and you not knowing what it is prevent you from being able to answer my questions?

Just Curious ji,

Guru Fateh.

LOL. I have no idea why are you so insecure about your religion. Does seeking Truth breed insecurity and fear or does it make one secure and fearless? I know Sikhi does the latter but I have no idea about your own faith.

As I said before and let me repeat it, I want to learn from your religion because all religions teach.

Were you not being truthful when you said you were seeking the Truth because you are hiding about your faith is not a truthful things to do.

Regards

Tejwant Singh

JustCurious · #33 (**permalink**) 06-Apr-2010, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Tejwant Singh

Just Curious ji,

Guru Fateh.

LOL. I have no idea why are you so insecure about your religion. Does seeking Truth breed insecurity and fear or does it make one secure and fearless? I know Sikhi does the latter but I have no idea about your own faith.

As I said before and let me repeat it, I want to learn from your religion because all religions teach.

Were you not being truthful when you said you were seeking the Truth because you are hiding about your faith is not a truthful things to do.

Regards

Tejwant Singh

And lo and behold we have come complete circle.

It seems to me that you may not have any answers to my questions, hence this little game you're playing with me.

Who would have thought asking a question on a Sikh forum could be so tiring! :-(

Tejwant Singh · #34 (**permalink**) 06-Apr-2010, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by JustCurious

And lo and behold we have come complete circle.

It seems to me that you may not have any answers to my questions, hence this little game you're playing with me.

Who would have thought asking a question on a Sikh forum could be so tiring! :-(

Just Curious ji,

Guru Fateh.

You are not asking questions. You are avoiding to answer the questions being asked to you so we can have a fruitful interaction. You are hiding yourself behind a niqab or under a burka as many insecure coward Muslims do when they like to escape then they become women. it is a norm in Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan and many other Muslim countries.

As I said that you have lots of preconceived presumptions and assumptions without any proof which is a shame and you claim to be a Truthseeker?

What kind of Truth may I ask?

Please share the truth about your religion to us.

Thanks & regards

Tejwant Singh

roab1 · #35 (**permalink**) 06-Apr-2010, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by JustCurious

I just don't understand how a man claimed to be holy could treat his family so cruelly and so insensitively by abandoning them for such a long period of time. If it was a few months or maybe even a year max fair enough, but 28 years beggars belief. Why did he even undertake the responsibility of marriage? Surely if he was a man of God he would have had an inkling that he would be needed for God's service and so would not have undertaken the responsibility of marriage and then go on to have two children.

At the end of the day these can only ever be assumptions as I obviously have never known Guru Nanak or his family, but as a human being I look at how I perhaps may have felt being abandoned by my father for the majority of my youth and early adult years. Not having him as a role-model throughout my formulative years, to share in my successes or advise me in my failures.

Also I can use empathy to imagine how it must have felt for his poor wife to have had her husband go gallivanting around India proselytising his beliefs whilst neglecting her and her needs. Because surely she was human and required her physical, emotional and material needs met by the man who took her hand in marriage.

I can understand that you do not understand how Guru Nanak remained away from his household and not leave his family in distress, if you did you wouldnt be here asking it in first place. While the original poster who asked this question probably asked in another vein but you have taken it in another direction. Your aim is to make Guru Nanak look a runaway from his moral and family obligations and prove him to be a hypocrite. But that will not be the case.

I will answer your question now.

1. Guru Nanak was born in a very rich household. So that cuts off his need to work to feed his family. Unlike founders of some other faiths who were not only utterly poor but also illiterate, Guru Nanaks father was a very rich man. There is still a very large tract of agriculture land still standing in the Gurus name in Pakistan, gifted by contemporary king. It is another matter he or his family never cared for it. This proves his family wouldnt have needed the Guru to be present for providing food, shelter or money. There was enough in the house. Moreover the family of Guru Nanaks wife was also very rich. She would have had enough money on her own without having to depend upon Guru Nanak.

2. The sons of Guru Nanak were never angry with their father. They had proper freedom of choice. This fact is proven that Guru Nanak never forced his sons to follow proper Sikhi. His elder son founded a sub sect of Sikhism on his own. His younger son was found of pleasures of life and carried on with wordly life. Guru Nanak was a great advocate of married family life, but his elder son remained unmarried and celibate throughout his life, another example of freedom given to Guru Nanaks children. When Guru Nanak came back from one of his travels, Sri Chand wrote 'aarta' describing how he saw Guru Nanak. Read it and you will know what kind of relationship Guru Nanak had with his sons and the world.

3.About Mata Sulakhani, wife of Guru, why do you assume what you assume. The first five teachings of Sikhism are controlling

1. Kaam
2. Krodh
3. Lobh
4. Moh
5. Ahankaar

You still think she had any needs? She was above wordly needs or desires. She was one with God. She was greater than any prophets you would know. Wife of Guru Nanak was not ordinary human.

If you know then you would know Guru Nanak was with her every moment. Only your human brain cannot comprehend it, hence useless and childish questions. Come up with something worthwhile. BTW Sikhs dont follow Gurus example, we follow our Gurus word and hukam.

JustCurious · #36 (**permalink**) 06-Apr-2010, 13:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Tejwant Singh

Just Curious ji,

Guru Fateh.

You are not asking questions. You are avoiding to answer the questions being asked to you so we can have a fruitful interaction. You are hiding yourself behind a niqab or under a burka as many insecure coward Muslims do when they like to escape then they become women. it is a norm in Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan and many other Muslim countries.

As I said that you have lots of preconceived presumptions and assumptions without any proof which is a shame and you claim to be a Truthseeker?

What kind of Truth may I ask?

Please share the truth about your religion to us.

Thanks & regards

Tejwant Singh

I see you presume I am a Muslim and hence the volley of insults hurled towards me! Once again you make your hatred of Islam (in particular) and other religions in general clear! If I had said I was a Christian/Jew/Hindu etc I wonder what insults I could have expected to receive.

For the last time I have come here asking you questions about your faith, not to share mine. Why is that such an obstacle for you? Why can you only answer my questions once you know my faith? Can it be to hurl insults as you already have done at what you preceive to be my faith of Islam which it might or might be but in any case is irrelevant?