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16-Feb-2009, 05:18 AM
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Pk70 ji i wrote reply to above but every thing got wiped out, dont know why? Many thanks for your candid advise. Your qutations from gurbani are absolute jems.regards.
I will try to write on word document & paste here to make suer it does not get wiped out.
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16-Feb-2009, 18:41 PM
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Please do not carry your animosity toward other religions from thread to thread where they are not relevant anyway. Irrelevant statements have been removed. aad0002
For more information on Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji's life, please refer to Bhai Santok Singhs Suraj Granth, Bhai Gurdas ji's Varan..etc.
Problem we have is that not enough people are doing their homework properly.
We need to stop racing towards money making and start to race towards Guru Ji, then and only then will we realise, that discussions such as this are meaningless in the Grand Plan which Vaheguru has for us.
Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is the only saviour in this Kali Yug. Period. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-gurus/24028-was-guru-nanak-a-good-father.htmlReference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=24028  |
19-Feb-2009, 17:44 PM
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ah, why compare?
I believe they are great in their own way. Even Gandi was great in his own community...society even to the whole world, but was he a great father??? His very own son had his own reservation regarding that matter.
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05-Apr-2010, 21:33 PM
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Originally Posted by mahanbir singh  I think Guru Nanak was a great Father like Jesus. The whole world was his family. All the sons(children) under the sun were his sons. He had a mission & a purpose of his life.That was to unite people & remember God thrugh Naam Simran. He went to Hindu temples & mecca to teach oneness of God & oneness of whole humanity.Guru Nanak did not take birth to start a new religion. He came here to show us new way of life. Guru Nanak did not biieve in fake teligious rituals. His way of teaching was unique. How he taught to the people in Hardwar who were throwing water & worshipping Sun.How he convinced the quazi at mecca that God resides every where. How he taught Pandits in Kurkshetra who refrained & objected to his cooking meat.What a beutiful Shabad there is in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. maas maas kar moorakh jhagre........
How strong was Guru Nanak's passion to inculcate Love of God in both Hindus & Muslims. He was darling of both.
Those who think Guru Nanak did not look after his children & wife should remember that his purpose of life & his mission to heal the world with his love & spirtual guidance was much greater than looking after a small family.He was assured that his family is safe & is being well lo0ked after by his jija & his sister at Sultanpur.Guru Nanak was doing a job as storekeeper to look after the granery of Nawab.He had enough money.
When Guru Nanak recieved his call from God , he left everything & set out on a mission that has hardly been achieved by any other human being.It is in his travels that he collected the writtings of Kabir,Namdev & other saints which is a beutiful part of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.
It is impossible for me to write & sing praises of Guru Nanak in this short note.
I consider Guru Nanak as my own Father & some times i differ with him also on certain parts of his writtings in gurbani which do not appeal to my soul & i frankly tell him, which he appreciates. Like some times sons differ from fathers & fathers give freedom to their sons to do so.I love Guru Nanak as my spirtual Father.Just imagine in 9 words Guru Nanak has given us the gift of MOOL MANTAR. This is a treasure.we know who God is from Guru Nanak's point of view. It was Guru Nanak who in 15th century spoke about the equality of women what a beutiful shabad there is in Asa di vaar....Bhand Jamiaye Bhand Nimiaye......
Guru Nanak was a great Father, a great philospher , a great guide.
Guru Nanak was the humblest prophet.
what a beutiful line is this: Dan Menhda Tali Khak je Mile ta Mastak Laeeaye.
I bow my head to Guru Nanak & pray that those who do not know Gurmukhi to please read & heed what Guru Nanak has written in his mother tongue.Guru Nanak was the greatest poet.Please read what he has written in the Gurbani in Patti Likhi which is in Asa de vaar.This bani has all the 35 words of our punjabi language written in Gurmukhi script. This gurbani he uttered at the age od 7-8 when he was sent to study from a muslim teacher.
I bow my head again on the feet of Guru Nanak.
Mahanbir Singh. | Why did Guru Nanak undertake the responsibilities of marriage and fatherhood if he was aware that he would need to go and travel to share his mission? How can it be right or fair for the breadwinner to leave his family for a total of 28 years (almost half his adult life) to be a burden for others to take care of? How can it be called love to leave your wife behind with your children to fend for herself and her children for years on end. What could his sons have felt seeing their father and role-model disappearing for years on end? Even if Guru Nanak had left behind sufficient money to cover their material needs, what about the emotional and physical needs of his wife? Who was taking care of these in his long absences?
Wouldn't his wife and sons begun to resent the fact that their absent husband/father was busy taking care of the "whole world was his family" & "sons(children) under the sun were his sons" instead of his own flesh and blood?
Isn't the fact that Guru Nank went gallivanting around India and other parts of the world for the majority of his children's early-mid years show as a bad example for them and also other Sikhs to emulate? How then can he be seen as a good example, when the example is bad?
Why did he see a need to go to Mecca to convince the people there of the One God when they already believed in One God and were following a strictly Monotheistic religion? Isn't that called preaching to the choir? Also if Sikhism believes that all religions lead to God, why was Guru Nanak proselytising the Sikh religion at all?
"When Guru Nanak received his call from God , he left everything & set out on a mission that has hardly been achieved by any other human being."
There are many accounts of other human beings who travelled far wider and through different parts of the world then Guru Nanak. Like Marco Polo & the famous traveller ibn Battuta who according to wikipedia:
"His journeys lasted for a period of nearly thirty years and covered North Africa, West Africa, Southern Europe and Eastern Europe in the West, to the Middle East, Indian subcontinent, Central Asia, Southeast Asia and China in the East, a distance readily surpassing that of his predecessors and his near-contemporary Marco Polo. With this extensive account of his journey, Ibn Battuta is often considered as one of the greatest travellers ever."  |
05-Apr-2010, 23:37 PM
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JC How do you summon that his children and wife would have been unhappy? These are just stupid assumptions based on ones own obseravtions around them that do not reflect on Guru Nanak and his family. | | The following members appreciate roab1 Ji for the above message. | |
06-Apr-2010, 00:01 AM
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Originally Posted by roab1 JC How do you summon that his children and wife would have been unhappy? These are just stupid assumptions based on ones own obseravtions around them that do not reflect on Guru Nanak and his family. | I just don't understand how a man claimed to be holy could treat his family so cruelly and so insensitively by abandoning them for such a long period of time. If it was a few months or maybe even a year max fair enough, but 28 years beggars belief. Why did he even undertake the responsibility of marriage? Surely if he was a man of God he would have had an inkling that he would be needed for God's service and so would not have undertaken the responsibility of marriage and then go on to have two children.
At the end of the day these can only ever be assumptions as I obviously have never known Guru Nanak or his family, but as a human being I look at how I perhaps may have felt being abandoned by my father for the majority of my youth and early adult years. Not having him as a role-model throughout my formulative years, to share in my successes or advise me in my failures.
Also I can use empathy to imagine how it must have felt for his poor wife to have had her husband go gallivanting around India proselytising his beliefs whilst neglecting her and her needs. Because surely she was human and required her physical, emotional and material needs met by the man who took her hand in marriage. |
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Originally Posted by JustCurious I just don't understand how a man claimed to be holy could treat his family so cruelly and so insensitively by abandoning them for such a long period of time. If it was a few months or maybe even a year max fair enough, but 28 years beggars belief. Why did he even undertake the responsibility of marriage? Surely if he was a man of God he would have had an inkling that he would be needed for God's service and so would not have undertaken the responsibility of marriage and then go on to have two children.
At the end of the day these can only ever be assumptions as I obviously have never known Guru Nanak or his family, but as a human being I look at how I perhaps may have felt being abandoned by my father for the majority of my youth and early adult years. Not having him as a role-model throughout my formulative years, to share in my successes or advise me in my failures.
Also I can use empathy to imagine how it must have felt for his poor wife to have had her husband go gallivanting around India proselytising his beliefs whilst neglecting her and her needs. Because surely she was human and required her physical, emotional and material needs met by the man who took her hand in marriage. | Just Curious ji,
Guru Fateh.
First of all, what is your religion and what does it teach?
Please share your religion's teachings that breed goodness in the followers.
Lastly,once again lots of presumptions and assumptions on your part without any evidence as also shown by you in other posts. It is a shame and shows one's shallowness and parochial vision by stating something that one has no proof of.
What good does it serve? One should ask one's own religion's teachings for the answer and share with others.
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06-Apr-2010, 01:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Tejwant Singh Just Curious ji,
Guru Fateh.
First of all, what is your religion and what does it teach?
Please share your religion's teachings that breed goodness in the followers.
Lastly,once again lots of presumptions and assumptions on your part without any evidence as also shown by you in other posts. It is a shame and shows one's shallowness and parochial vision by stating something that one has no proof of.
What good does it serve? One should ask one's own religion's teachings for the answer and share with others.
Tejwant Singh | I am wondering what my faith has to do with anything. I am asking how a man who claims to be a man of God can act in the way that he treated his family. I think most sensible people would consider it unacceptable for anyone with a wife and 2 children to abandon them for 28 years. I can't accept that that would be acceptable by anyone let alone someone purporting to be acting on behalf of God.
It's not like i'm making this stuff up, as these facts are readily available in his biography. |
06-Apr-2010, 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by JustCurious I am wondering what my faith has to do with anything. I am asking how a man who claims to be a man of God can act in the way that he treated his family. I think most sensible people would consider it unacceptable for anyone with a wife and 2 children to abandon them for 28 years. I can't accept that that would be acceptable by anyone let alone someone purporting to be acting on behalf of God.
It's not like i'm making this stuff up, as these facts are readily available in his biography. | Just Curious ji,
Guru Fateh.
Your faith has everything to do with it. I have no idea why you are reluctant to talking about your faith. Why feel so insecure?
We can interact in a better manner and learn from each other's faith?
Do you feel there is some harm in your sharing your faith with us?
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