The Sikh Guru's and Khatri Origin

KqRIAw q Drmu CoifAw mlyC BwiKAw ghI ] (663-1, DnwsrI, mÚ 1)
khataree-aa ta Dharam chhodi-aa malaychh bhaakhi-aa gahee.
The K'shatriyas have abandoned their religion, and have adopted a foreign language.
isRsit sB iek vrn hoeI Drm kI giq rhI ]3] (663-2, DnwsrI, mÚ 1)
sarisat sabh ik varan ho-ee Dharam kee gat rahee. ||3||
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=23439
The whole world has been reduced to the same social status; the state of righteousness and Dharma has been lost. ||3||

 
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Waheguru ji ka khalsa
Waheguru ji ki fateh

Randip Singh ji,

I didn't expect a "Hi" from you.

"Waheguru ji ka khalsa Waheguru ji ki fateh" or "Sat Sri Akal" should be a Gursikh norm.

Dhun Dhun Guru Nanak Dev Sahib ji said

ਪਉੜੀ ॥
पउड़ी ॥
Pa▫oṛī.
Pauree:

ਭਗਤ ਤੇਰੈ ਮਨਿ ਭਾਵਦੇ ਦਰਿ ਸੋਹਨਿ ਕੀਰਤਿ ਗਾਵਦੇ ॥
भगत तेरै मनि भावदे दरि सोहनि कीरति गावदे ॥
Bẖagaṯ ṯerai man bẖāvḏe ḏar sohan kīraṯ gāvḏe.
Your devotees are pleasing to Your Mind, Lord. They look beautiful at Your door, singing Your Praises.

ਨਾਨਕ ਕਰਮਾ ਬਾਹਰੇ ਦਰਿ ਢੋਅ ਨ ਲਹਨ੍ਹ੍ਹੀ ਧਾਵਦੇ ॥
नानक करमा बाहरे दरि ढोअ न लहन्ही धावदे ॥
Nānak karmā bāhre ḏar dẖo▫a na lėhnĥī ḏẖāvḏe.
O Nanak, those who are denied Your Grace, find no shelter at Your Door; they continue wandering.

ਇਕਿ ਮੂਲੁ ਨ ਬੁਝਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਿ ਆਪਣਾ ਅਣਹੋਦਾ ਆਪੁ ਗਣਾਇਦੇ ॥
इकि मूलु न बुझन्हि आपणा अणहोदा आपु गणाइदे ॥
Ik mūl na bujẖniĥ āpṇā aṇhoḏā āp gaṇā▫iḏe.
Some do not understand their origins, and without cause, they display their self-conceit.

ਹਉ ਢਾਢੀ ਕਾ ਨੀਚ ਜਾਤਿ ਹੋਰਿ ਉਤਮ ਜਾਤਿ ਸਦਾਇਦੇ ॥
हउ ढाढी का नीच जाति होरि उतम जाति सदाइदे ॥
Ha▫o dẖādẖī kā nīcẖ jāṯ hor uṯam jāṯ saḏā▫iḏe.
I am the Lord's minstrel, of low social status; others call themselves high caste.

ਤਿਨ੍ਹ੍ਹ ਮੰਗਾ ਜਿ ਤੁਝੈ ਧਿਆਇਦੇ ॥੯॥
तिन्ह मंगा जि तुझै धिआइदे ॥९॥
Ŧinĥ mangā jė ṯujẖai ḏẖi▫ā▫iḏe. ||9||
I seek those who meditate on You. ||9||

Source: Sri Granth: Sri Guru Granth Sahib

Gurbani clearly states that Guru Sahib ji considered thyself as lowest of the low.
Satguru only sought company of the ones who meditate on Almighty.
That is the real family of WAHEGURU.

Waheguru ji ka khalsa
Waheguru ji ki fateh

Hi Again,

You are going off topic.

Thanks

Randip ji

On another thread, Gyani Jarnail Singh ji posted the family tree of the Gurus. Of course I cannot remember which thread. Guessed the Search button at the top of the page might turn it up.

OK Here is the link to the thread with that information.

http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/new-to-sikhism...nanak-dev.html



Also at this link NationMaster - Encyclopedia: Punjabi Khatri
Some interesting information about Khatri, their clan divisions and history.

Common Family Names


Some Khatri family names include Anand, Awal, Badhwar, Bagga, Bakshi, Bedi, Bhalla, Bhasin, Bhandari, Bindra, Chadha, Chandok, Chona, Chopra, Choudhary, Dhawan, Duggal, Dhupar, Dumra, Gadhiok, Gujral, Handa, Jerath, Jairath, Jaggi, Kakkar, Kapoor(Kapur), Khanna, Kochhar, Kohli, Koshal, Lal, Lala, Lamba, Loomba, Madhok, Mahendru, Maini, Malhotra, Malik, Mankhand, Manraj, Mehrotra, Mehta, Monga, Nair(Nayyar),Nayer, Nijhawan, Oberoi, Ohri, Parwanda, Puri, Rai, Sabharwal, Sami, Sahni, Sarin, Sehgal(Sahgal), Sethi, Sial(Syal), Sibal, Sikka, Singh (my note: this is not helpful is it? ), Sodhi, Soni, Suri, Talwar, Tandan(Tandon), Thapar, Trehan, Uppal, Vadehra, Vij, Vinaik, Vohra, Wadhawan, Wahi (Wahie) and Walia. Introduction Dumra is a Punjabi Khatri family name. ... Kapoor or Kapur is a famous Khatri Hindu clan. ...

The Arora (Ahuja, Aneja, Khurana,Chawla, Juneja etc.), Sood and Bhatia communities of the Punjab, while not Khatri, share a similar cultural and mercantile background as the Khatris. Aroras (or Aror-vanshis) are a mercantile community of the Punjab and Sind. ... Bhatia is a surname mostly existing in North and West India. ... (my note: this paragraph is in disupte as other sources contradict it.)
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=23439

Some of these clans are also sometimes cross-listed as Rajput, especially Sodhi, Sial, Kashyap, Kakkar (Khakkar/Ghakkar), Rai, and Walia. It is not entirely clear in the case of many clans and surnames exactly which subdivision of Kshatriya they belong to. For much of Indian history, Rajput and Kshatriya have been synonymous, and later, Rajput came to denote only those Kshatriyas belonging to certain clans descended from rulers, therefore Rajputra (or sons of kings).

Sat sri akal.

He alone is a true kshatriya/khatri,who is valorous in his deeds and who dedicates his body to loving kindness---slok,1411

i would like to answer one of the question related to the topic--why didnt all khatris converted to sikhism?
the answer is as complex as the question itself. :p
all the khatris were considered to be sikhs until and unless sikhism came to be known as a different world religion even in the first population census of punjab done by britishers the khatris were counted amongst sikhs . but in the second more than 80 lakh khatris denied that they were sikhs nd they were considered hindus from that time. some hold it to be an act of clever bhramins
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=23439
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=23439
i dont hav details if someone has i would love to know more.

btw khatris r committed sikhs they dont cut their hairs .i became a "kesadhari" under the influence of my khatri friends other wise i was a "yankee jatt":p

Very useful.

I read a recent book as to why Khatri's did not become Sikh because of what the 10th Master did, i.e. Khandhay dha Pahul.

They would sit and eat with a low caste (as an act of charity), but share a drink with a low caste was a step too far. Therefore the composition of Sikhism from largely Khatro based, changed after the demise of the 10th master to lower Vaish and Shudra.

I think apart from Arya samaji's Khatri's never considered sikhism as separate religion
They just beleived that khalsa is a branch martial branch of hinduism .that's why some took Amrit while others used to make their elder sons as sardars.

Hinduism itself is such a complex subject because of thousands of different practices
that you can't even describe who is hindu and who is not

Hinduism may sound complex...and i also agree it is ...hinduism is a development of the last 200 years..due to british influence...

I belive in the Hindutva defination which is not hinduism ..the best defined by the great freedome fighter Shri Vinayak Damodar Savarkar
Asindhu Sindhu Paryanta yashya Bharat Bhoomika,
Pitribhu Punya Bhuschaiva SA vai Hindu Riti Smritah.

There is a vast land between river Sindhu and Hind Mahasagar called Bharat and those who accept that this is their fatherland and a holy land, land of pilgrimage are all Hindu

Now ..here this defination clearly states what is 'hindu' exactly...it is crystal clear the word hindu has nothing to do with religion..it is a geographical identity..which i feel is fine ... another interesting article written by Savarkarji i came across :
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=23439
Hindutva is different from Hinduism | Vinayak Damodar Savarkar

here is another interesting piece of info i came across on www.savarkar.org:

Is it true that Savarkar wrote a history of the Sikhs?
Yes, Savarkar did write a history of the Sikhs. The facts of the matter are as follows:
While in England, Savarkar learnt the Gurumukhi script and read Sikh scriptures like the Adi Granth, the Dasam Granth and other works like Panth Prakash, Suraj Prakash and Bhai Bala’s Janamsakhi. He also read histories of the Sikhs, written by British authors, like J.D.Cunningham. Savarkar used to send patriotic pamphlets to the camps of Sikh soldiers. Savarkar may have studied Sikhism and Sikh history to communicate effectively with Sikh soldiers. By the end of the year 1909, London became too hot for Savarkar. Pandit Shyamji Krishnavarma had to sell off India House. Even Bipin Chandra Pal could not keep Savarkar as his paying guest due to angry English mobs. Savarkar had to put up in London slums. There too, British detectives hounded him. Due to deprivation and extreme cold, Savarkar developed a serious lung infection. Dr. Muthu, the Vice President of Pandit Shyamji Krishna Varma’s Indian Home Rule League took Savarkar to his nursing home in Wales. Fortunately, Savarkar recovered in those pre-antibiotic days. He began writing the history of the Sikhs in Marathi, when Dr. Muthu permitted him to work for a couple of hours a day. This book was of about two hundred pages and traced the Sikh history, from the birth of Guru Nanak to the founding of an empire by Maharajah Ranjit Singh. At the behest of his comrades in arms, Savarkar went to Paris in the latter half of January 1910. There, he revised the manuscript of his Sikh history, made its three copies and dedicated the book to his son, Prabhakar who had died in 1909 at the age of four. All the three copies were lost and Savarkar’s history of the Sikhs, the first in Marathi thus remained unpublished.