Could Nanak Be the Krishna of Dwaapar Yug?

Could the light in Lord Krishna & Guru Nanak be the same. Read the verses from granth sahib. These verses praise guru nanak as a supreme messenger of god.

त्रेतै तै माणिओ रामु रघुवंसु कहाइओ ॥
In the Silver Age of Traytaa Yuga, You were called Raam of the Raghu dynasty.
दुआपुरि क्रिसन मुरारि कंसु किरतारथु कीओ ॥
In the Brass Age of Dwaapur Yuga, You were Krishna; You killed Mur the demon and saved Kans.
उग्रसैण कउ राजु अभै भगतह जन दीओ ॥
You blessed Ugrasain with a kingdom, and You blessed Your humble devotees with fearlessness.
कलिजुगि प्रमाणु नानक गुरु अंगदु अमरु कहाइओ ॥
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In the Iron Age, the Dark Age of Kali Yuga, You are known and accepted as Guru Nanak, Guru Angad and Guru Amar Das.
It is firmly believed that the light in each sikh guru was same thats why we sometimes refer guru gobind as 10th Nanak but can it be possible that Nanak was Krishna in Dwaapar yug. Express your views on this issue.

 
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Dear Rabjot ji,

It would be very kind of you if full 'sabad' is posted.
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Dear Sikh80 Ji,

Here is the complete shabad for you.


सवईए महले पहिले के १
Swaiyas In Praise Of The First Mehl:

ੴ सतिगुर प्रसादि ॥
One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

इक मनि पुरखु धिआइ बरदाता ॥
Meditate single-mindedly on the Primal Lord God, the Bestower of blessings.

संत सहारु सदा बिखिआता ॥
He is the Helper and Support of the Saints, manifest forever.

तासु चरन ले रिदै बसावउ ॥
Grasp His Feet and enshrine them in your heart.

तउ परम गुरू नानक गुन गावउ ॥१॥
Then, let us sing the Glorious Praises of the most exalted Guru Nanak. ||1||

गावउ गुन परम गुरू सुख सागर दुरत निवारण सबद सरे ॥
I sing the Glorious Praises of the most exalted Guru Nanak, the Ocean of peace, the Eradicator of sins, the sacred pool of the Shabad, the Word of God.

गावहि गंभीर धीर मति सागर जोगी जंगम धिआनु धरे ॥
The beings of deep and profound understanding, oceans of wisdom, sing of Him; the Yogis and wandering hermits meditate on Him.

गावहि इंद्रादि भगत प्रहिलादिक आतम रसु जिनि जाणिओ ॥
Indra and devotees like Prahlaad, who know the joy of the soul, sing of Him.

कबि कल सुजसु गावउ गुर नानक राजु जोगु जिनि माणिओ ॥२॥
KAL the poet sings the Sublime Praises of Guru Nanak, who enjoys mastery of Raja Yoga, the Yoga of meditation and success. ||2||

गावहि जनकादि जुगति जोगेसुर हरि रस पूरन सरब कला ॥
King Janak and the great Yogic heroes of the Lord's Way, sing the Praises of the All-powerful Primal Being, filled with the sublime essence of the Lord.

गावहि सनकादि साध सिधादिक मुनि जन गावहि अछल छला ॥
Sanak and Brahma's sons, the Saadhus and Siddhas, the silent sages and humble servants of the Lord sing the Praises of Guru Nanak, who cannot be deceived by the great deceiver.

गावै गुण धोमु अटल मंडलवै भगति भाइ रसु जाणिओ ॥
Dhoma the seer and Dhroo, whose realm is unmoving, sing the Glorious Praises of Guru Nanak, who knows the ecstasy of loving devotional worship.

कबि कल सुजसु गावउ गुर नानक राजु जोगु जिनि माणिओ ॥३॥
KAL the poet sings the Sublime Praises of Guru Nanak, who enjoys mastery of Raja Yoga. ||3||

गावहि कपिलादि आदि जोगेसुर अपर्मपर अवतार वरो ॥
Kapila and the other Yogis sing of Guru Nanak. He is the Avataar, the Incarnation of the Infinite Lord.

गावै जमदगनि परसरामेसुर कर कुठारु रघु तेजु हरिओ ॥
Parasraam the son of Jamdagan, whose axe and powers were taken away by Raghuvira, sing of Him.
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उधौ अक्रूरु बिदरु गुण गावै सरबातमु जिनि जाणिओ ॥
Udho, Akrur and Bidur sing the Glorious Praises of Guru Nanak, who knows the Lord, the Soul of All.

कबि कल सुजसु गावउगुर नानक राजु जोगु जिनि माणिओ ॥४॥
KAL the poet sings the Sublime Praises of Guru Nanak, who enjoys mastery of Raja Yoga. ||4||

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गावहि गुण बरन चारि खट दरसन ब्रहमादिक सिमरंथि गुना ॥
The four castes and the six Shaastras sing His Glorious Praises; Brahma and the others contemplate His Virtues.

गावै गुण सेसु सहस जिहबा रस आदि अंति लिव लागि धुना ॥
The thousand-tongued serpent king sings His Praises with delight, remaining lovingly attached to Him.

गावै गुण महादेउ बैरागी जिनि धिआन निरंतरि जाणिओ ॥
Shiva, detached and beyond desire, sings the Glorious Praises of Guru Nanak, who knows the Lord's endless meditation.

कबि कल सुजसु गावउ गुर नानक राजु जोगु जिनि माणिओ ॥५॥
KAL the poet sings the Sublime Praises of Guru Nanak, who enjoys mastery of Raja Yoga. ||5||

राजु जोगु माणिओ बसिओ निरवैरु रिदंतरि ॥
He mastered Raja Yoga, and enjoys sovereignty over both worlds; the Lord, beyond hate and revenge, is enshrined within His Heart.

स्रिसटि सगल उधरी नामि ले तरिओ निरंतरि ॥
The whole world is saved, and carried across, chanting the Naam, the Name of the Lord.

गुण गावहि सनकादि आदि जनकादि जुगह लगि ॥
Sanak and Janak and the others sing His Praises, age after age.

धंनि धंनि गुरु धंनि जनमु सकयथु भलौ जगि ॥
Blessed, blessed, blessed and fruitful is the sublime birth of the Guru into the world.

पाताल पुरी जैकार धुनि कबि जन कल वखाणिओ ॥
Even in the nether regions, His Victory is celebrated; so says KAL the poet.

हरि नाम रसिक नानक गुर राजु जोगु तै माणिओ ॥६॥
You are blessed with the Nectar of the Lord's Name, O Guru Nanak; You have mastered Raja Yoga, and enjoy sovereignty over both worlds. ||6||

सतजुगि तै माणिओ छलिओ बलि बावन भाइओ ॥
In the Golden Age of Sat Yuga, You were pleased to deceive Baal the king, in the form of a dwarf.

त्रेतै तै माणिओ रामु रघुवंसु कहाइओ ॥
In the Silver Age of Traytaa Yuga, You were called Raam of the Raghu dynasty.

दुआपुरि क्रिसन मुरारि कंसु किरतारथु कीओ ॥
In the Brass Age of Dwaapur Yuga, You were Krishna; You killed Mur the demon and saved Kans.

उग्रसैण कउ राजु अभै भगतह जन दीओ ॥
You blessed Ugrasain with a kingdom, and You blessed Your humble devotees with fearlessness.

कलिजुगि प्रमाणु नानक गुरु अंगदु अमरु कहाइओ ॥
In the Iron Age, the Dark Age of Kali Yuga, You are known and accepted as Guru Nanak, Guru Angad and Guru Amar Das.

स्री गुरू राजु अबिचलु अटलु आदि पुरखि फुरमाइओ ॥७॥
The sovereign rule of the Great Guru is unchanging and permanent, according the Command of the Primal Lord God. ||7||

गुण गावै रविदासु भगतु जैदेव त्रिलोचन ॥
His Glorious Praises are sung by the devotees Ravi Daas, Jai Dayv and Trilochan.

नामा भगतु कबीरु सदा गावहि सम लोचन ॥
The devotees Naam Dayv and Kabeer praise Him continually, knowing Him to be even-eyed.

भगतु बेणि गुण रवै सहजि आतम रंगु माणै ॥
The devotee Baynee sings His Praises; He intuitively enjoys the ecstasy of the soul.

जोग धिआनि गुर गिआनि बिना प्रभ अवरु न जाणै ॥
He is the Master of Yoga and meditation, and the spiritual wisdom of the Guru; He knows none other except God.

सुखदेउ परीख्यतु गुण रवै गोतम रिखि जसु गाइओ ॥
Sukh Dayv and Preekhyat sing His Praises, and Gautam the rishi sings His Praise.

कबि कल सुजसु नानक गुर नित नवतनु जगि छाइओ ॥८॥
Says KAL the poet, the ever-fresh praises of Guru Nanak are spread throughout the world. ||8||

गुण गावहि पायालि भगत नागादि भुयंगम ॥
In the nether worlds, His Praises are sung by the devotees like Shaysh-naag in serpent form.

महादेउ गुण रवै सदा जोगी जति जंगम ॥
Shiva, the Yogis and the wandering hermits sing His Praises forever.

गुण गावै मुनि ब्यासु जिनि बेद ब्याकरण बीचारिअ ॥
Vyaas the silent sage, who studied the Vedas and its grammar, sings His Praise.

ब्रहमा गुण उचरै जिनि हुकमि सभ स्रिसटि सवारीअ ॥
His Praises are sung by Brahma, who created the entire universe by God's Command.

ब्रहमंड खंड पूरन ब्रहमु गुण निरगुण सम जाणिओ ॥
God fills the galaxies and realms of the universe; He is known to be the same, manifest and unmanifest.

जपु कल सुजसु नानक गुर सहजु जोगु जिनि माणिओ ॥९॥
KAL chants the Sublime Praises of Guru Nanak, who enjoys mastery of Yoga. ||9||

गुण गावहि नव नाथ धंनि गुरु साचि समाइओ ॥
The nine masters of Yoga sing His Praises; blessed is the Guru, who is merged into the True Lord.
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मांधाता गुण रवै जेन चक्रवै कहाइओ ॥
Maandhaataa, who called himself ruler of all the world, sings His Praises.

गुण गावै बलि राउ सपत पातालि बसंतौ ॥
Bal the king, dwelling in the seventh underworld, sings His Praises.

भरथरि गुण उचरै सदा गुर संगि रहंतौ ॥
Bhart'har, abiding forever with Gorakh, his guru, sings His Praises.

दूरबा परूरउ अंगरै गुर नानक जसु गाइओ ॥
Doorbaasaa, King Puro and Angra sing the Praises of Guru Nanak.

कबि कल सुजसु नानक गुर घटि घटि सहजि समाइओ ॥१०॥
Says KAL the poet, the Sublime Praises of Guru Nanak intuitively permeate each and every heart. ||10||

rabjot_singh@yahoo.com.in ji

Thank you for the wonderful posts from the Sants and Bhagats. I always have liked them.

This business was explained to me years ago, as well with the raindrop analogy. If you imagine God being that Ocean, and our Guru's and other holy people like Krishna as rain drops falling into that ocean, they become merged and intertwined with the ocean and yet they are not the same ocean. In the sense they are all rain drops, all made of water but every raindrop is different. In this sense Krishna and Guru Nanak are different!

Dear Rabjot Ji,

Thanks for posting the sabad. It is from Bhatts Bani and Bhattts Bani is approved bani. Thus whatever is stated should be taken as correct; taking it as the intention of Gurus sahib that they wanted to convey this to their sikhs.This is my opinion.
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Regards

Gurfateh

Respected Brthren,

Well "In all there is light,that(God) is that light,with that's glory all is enlightened."

It is from Arti under Dhanasari Mahal Pahla(holy verse of God unto First Master).

So there is one soul in all creation.That soul is creator.So be it Bhai Rabjot Singh,Be is insect like vijaydeep,be it Osama,be it bush,be it First Master,Be it Lord Krishna,be it Lord Jesus ,Be it Prophet Mohamad(SWAS).
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In all does Akal exists so no differance between Lord Krishana or First Master.

Akal Bless.

Dear aad ji,

Consider this information. You might find it insighful.

Coming of Nanak Predicted in Vedas

Perhaps more than any Prophet in history Nanak's coming on Earth was predicted profusely with remarkable accuracy as recorded in some detail below. This has resulted after long and arduous research into the ancient doctrines many dating thousands of years before his actual birth. These are numerically listed below for ease of reference, not necessarily in chronological order. The Vedas and Puranas in which these direct references have been found recorded, are known to be amongst the oldest chronicles in the world. These references are as under:

1. In the Hindu epic the RIG VEDA
(i) In Mandala 7, Ush 5, Mantra 5 and Chapter 6
"Bee chakram prithoi aishai ta khestraaeh Vishnu mansai das sayaan
throvaah so asaya keeryo janaas oeroo khashatra so janama
chakaar (8)"
meaning
"when in the world the sinful ways will be on the rise and noble behavior will vanish, as the disappearance of the moon when on its wane on the darkest night, there will appear Vishnu as a prominent Prophet from the Keshatra Clan and will manifest in consecutive form through 10 Prophets to bring back the ways of virtue to the ailing world."
(ii) In the same Vedas, in another part even in the name NANAK and the clan he belongs to is recorded thus -
"Sri Nanak gureng vareng saklaath heythoo. Heitha samasth jagathaa va veithee kaetheng"
meaning
"For the preaching of religious ways and the earning of good karma, there will manifest Guru NANAK from the clan of the Veithees"
(iii) At another position in the same Vedas is entered under Mandala 1 Soothak 5 and in the 7th Mantra thus -
"Eeth eethei Vishnu reinn chakramei threihaa nathathei patham"
meaning
"The Prophet in the Kali Yuga will manifest three attributes. As an Avtar propounding Truth, as a Householder establishing family life and at the same time be a Raja Yogi"

2. The YUJAR VEDA
As in the RIG VEDA quoted above, in the YUJAR VEDA also the Prophet in the Kali Yuga will manifest three main characteristics thus -
"Vishnu bee chakrageih treithaa neikthei patham samudhseiaa paaeh
serei swahaa"
meaning
"Vishnu will appear again, manifesting three main characteristics, Avtarhood, Householder family life and be a Rajah Yogi as well"
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Although in the above two quotations the name of Nanak does not directly appear, reference to being a householder family man, would point to him because he was among the first few Avtars (prophets) who was married and begetting children.
Incidentally in Hindu mythology, VISHNU is the primordial Godhead Prophet, who incarnates on Earth taking many differing forms and the ensuing names thereto.

3. In the BHAVEKHATH PURANA
"BHAVEKHATH" means "future foretelling". There are numerous places in this famous Hindu epic where the advent of Guru NANAK is directly alluded to. These instances are listed hereunder -
(i)
"Theraa bhaareng thereshtwah keli krethem maha krethyaa. Aeveng vaee
tharam parchaariang bhavekhthee thaa kalau. Thatha vei
loka rakheiaartheng maleishana naas heithwei paschmeitlheng subh
theisay vath wensei chei Nanaka naam nach rekhiang brahem
geaanaik manas bhavekhet kaloe skunth thatar verth kaleaah har (35)."
meaning
"In the Kali Yuga when goodness in the world is deteriorating there
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will appear a Prophet from the Beithi clan named NANAK
who from birth will be endowed with extra-ordinary spiritual power.
He will preach on the nobility of life and the eradication of
the sinful ways"
(ii) In another portion of this book the following short cogent quotation supplies further pertinent information on the advent of Nanak
"Guru thaa Brahma, Guru raa Vishnu, Guru raa dev maheshra saakhyaar
Parbrehem Thasmei NANAK nameh"
meaning
"The Guru of the prophets, Brahma, Vishnu and Shiv ji is God
almighty himself. This very Creator will manifest itself as a human,
in the form of one whose name will be NANAK
Note the clarity and explicitness in which the coming of Nanak is predicted.
(iii) Further down in this book is recorded the following detailed assertiveness about Nanak and the type of mission and work he shall perform. It appears to emanate from the Godhead itself.
"The Kali Yuga shall dawn on Earth with radical manifestation of destruction of Karma and Dharma to such an extent that every situation shall be colored by sinful activities. At that distressful moment, the Creator shall send down a spiritual luminary in the form of NANAK from the Khatria clan. He will spread the message of NAAM, the Holy life Force, by introducing the primacy of meditation and thus washing clean the sinful ways by the waters of love."
Note the beautiful and comprehensive description of the happening.
(iv) There is yet another quotation from this same Bhavekhath Purana indicative of Nanak and the 9 prophets that consecutively followed his lineage : -
"When in the world there is the deterioration of noble Dharma, then Vishnu will reincarnate through 10 Prophethoods and will preach on the universal and omnipotent value of NAAM. (the Holy Life Force)"

4. In DHIGVAJEH PURANA
"During the reign of the 8 Muslim rulers, Vishnu will incarnate in 10 human forms and after them will appear a (Mona) SILENT Guru (meaning the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, the Sikh Scripture) who will only respond where the response is solicited."
The word SILENT is of great importance - it refers to the Sikh Scriptural Book (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji). This is the first time in the history of Religion that a Sacred Book was elevated to the status of a Prophet. Unlike a Prophet in body form with the inherent capacity to make utterances, a Book has to be categorized as being basically 'Silent'. This is indeed a startling revelation, pinpointing the coming into the world of a (mona) Silent Guru, thousands of years before the actual occurrence.
The eight Muslim Rulers were 1. - Sultan Lodhi, 2. - Babar, 3. - Humanyuh, 4. - Akbar, 5 - Jehangir, 6 - Shah Jahan, 7 - Aurangzeb, 8 - Bahadur Shah, These precisely were the Rulers in India during the period in which the 10th Sikh Guru came into being. This further emphasizes the authenticity of the revelation and the happening.

5. Through PATANJALI the great Indian (Hindu) Sage
Patanjali, one of the top Indian Yogis of old, came 2180 years before Guru Nanak. In his Ashram while lecturing on the Prophets of the Kali Yuga, the Iron Age, he singled out Guru Nanak as the one who will be outstanding. When asked what will be his prime mantra, He replied. -
"Wahyanti karyanti jathputi athak etwaha brahamadeya, teisah Gur et WAHEGURU"
meaning
"He will use a unique single syllable mantra which has not been utilized before at any Age or Era. This will be WAHEGURU."
Waheguru mantra, which means "Lord of Wonderment" has since been popularised by Guru Nanak and all the nine other Sikh Gurus that followed him.

6. In VISHNU PURANA
In the VISHNU PURANA there is recorded an interesting dialogue between VISHNU and a famous Rishi UMBREEK. Vishnu is said to have informed Umbreek that he will once again take birth in the Kali Yuga. The Rishi then enquired when about will that be and what will be your name then? Vishnu replied that this will happen when the Kali Yuga has proceeded for 4500 years and that I will take birth in the Shatri Sooraj Bansi clan, when I will be named, NANAK.
In this same Purana it is further recorded: -
"Sri Nanak santang saageaami
Sri asech, sri asech, sri asech, sri asech"
meaning
"Sri NANAK will once again appear in the world in a variety of incarnations; this is for sure, this is for sure, this is for sure."
Computing the date of Guru Nanak's birth from the above mentioned figure that took place when the Kali Yuga had proceeded for 4550 years, reckoning the total durations of Kali Yuga now to be about 5090 old. It is to be noted that this figure of 4550 is pretty close to the 4500 years predicted by VISHNU JI above. Incidentally, the clan in which Guru Nanak was born was also known as a Shatri Sooraj Bansi indicated above.
CONCLUSION
From the above it is evident that Guru Nanak must have had the largest number of premonitional references to his coming compared to the advent of the other Prophets in all the various Ages and Epochs. Therefore the Prophet Guru Nanak's advent into the world is indeed of millennial significance to even the coming future times.
The word NANAK is a combination of two Sanskrit terms. 'Na" and 'Anak'. The meaning attached to these words is "Not-but-One". The message conveyed by the Guru's name and the education imparted by him through the Sacred Scriptual verses, usually commence with the words "Ik Oengkar". This phrase too means Non-but-One. One God only.

Dear Sikh80 ji,

Yes thats true whatever is written in Granth sahib whether the bani of Nanak or ravidaas we have to accept that banis as the words of lord.