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| | | | | Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji De Aagaman Divas Di Beant Vadhai Hoveh Ji Waheguru ji ka khalsa
Waheguru ji ki fateh
Guru Hargobind Sahib ji de aagaman divas di beant vadhai hoveh ji. ਆਸਾ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥ आसा महला ५ ॥ Āsā mehlā 5. Aasaa, Fifth Mehl: ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਸਾਚੈ ਦੀਆ ਭੇਜਿ ॥ सतिगुर साचै दीआ भेजि ॥ Saṯgur sācẖai ḏīā bẖėj. The True Guru has truly given a child. ਚਿਰੁ ਜੀਵਨੁ ਉਪਜਿਆ ਸੰਜੋਗਿ ॥ चिरु जीवनु उपजिआ संजोगि ॥ Cẖir jīvan upjiā sanjog. The long-lived one has been born to this destiny. ਉਦਰੈ ਮਾਹਿ ਆਇ ਕੀਆ ਨਿਵਾਸੁ ॥ उदरै माहि आइ कीआ निवासु ॥ Uḏrai māhi āė kīā nivās. He came to acquire a home in the womb, ਮਾਤਾ ਕੈ ਮਨਿ ਬਹੁਤੁ ਬਿਗਾਸੁ ॥੧॥ माता कै मनि बहुतु बिगासु ॥१॥ Māṯā kai man bahuṯ bigās. ||1|| and his mother's heart is so very glad. ||1|| ਜੰਮਿਆ ਪੂਤੁ ਭਗਤੁ ਗੋਵਿੰਦ ਕਾ ॥ जमिआ पूतु भगतु गोविंद का ॥ Jammiā pūṯ bẖagaṯ govinḏ kā. A son is born - a devotee of the Lord of the Universe. ਪ੍ਰਗਟਿਆ ਸਭ ਮਹਿ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਧੁਰ ਕਾ ॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ प्रगटिआ सभ महि लिखिआ धुर का ॥ रहाउ ॥ Pargatiā sabẖ meh likẖiā ḏẖur kā. Rahāo. This pre-ordained destiny has been revealed to all. ||Pause|| ਦਸੀ ਮਾਸੀ ਹੁਕਮਿ ਬਾਲਕ ਜਨਮੁ ਲੀਆ ॥ दसी मासी हुकमि बालक जनमु लीआ ॥ Ḏasī māsī hukam bālak janam līā. In the tenth month, by the Lord's Order, the baby has been born. ਮਿਟਿਆ ਸੋਗੁ ਮਹਾ ਅਨੰਦੁ ਥੀਆ ॥ मिटिआ सोगु महा अनंदु थीआ ॥ Mitiā sog mahā anand thīā. Sorrow is dispelled, and great joy has ensued. ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਸਖੀ ਅਨੰਦੁ ਗਾਵੈ ॥ गुरबाणी सखी अनंदु गावै ॥ Gurbāṇī sakẖī anand gāvai. The companions blissfully sing the songs of the Guru's Bani. ਸਾਚੇ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਕੈ ਮਨਿ ਭਾਵੈ ॥੨॥ साचे साहिब कै मनि भावै ॥२॥ Sācẖė sāhib kai man bẖāvai. ||2|| This is pleasing to the Lord Master. ||2|| ਵਧੀ ਵੇਲਿ ਬਹੁ ਪੀੜੀ ਚਾਲੀ ॥ वधी वेलि बहु पीड़ी चाली ॥ vaḏẖī vėl baho pīṛī cẖālī. The vine has grown, and shall last for many generations. ਧਰਮ ਕਲਾ ਹਰਿ ਬੰਧਿ ਬਹਾਲੀ ॥ धरम कला हरि बंधि बहाली ॥ Ḏẖaram kalā har banḏẖ bahālī. The Power of the Dharma has been firmly established by the Lord. ਮਨ ਚਿੰਦਿਆ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਦਿਵਾਇਆ ॥ मन चिंदिआ सतिगुरू दिवाइआ ॥ Man cẖinḏiā saṯgurū ḏivāiā. That which my mind wishes for, the True Guru has granted. ਭਏ ਅਚਿੰਤ ਏਕ ਲਿਵ ਲਾਇਆ ॥੩॥ भए अचिंत एक लिव लाइआ ॥३॥ Bẖaė acẖinṯ ėk liv lāiā. ||3|| I have become carefree, and I fix my attention on the One Lord. ||3|| ਜਿਉ ਬਾਲਕੁ ਪਿਤਾ ਊਪਰਿ ਕਰੇ ਬਹੁ ਮਾਣੁ ॥ Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-gurus/22248-guru-hargobind-sahib-ji-de-aagaman.html जिउ बालकु पिता ऊपरि करे बहु माणु ॥ Jio bālak piṯā ūpar karė baho māṇ. As the child places so much faith in his father, ਬੁਲਾਇਆ ਬੋਲੈ ਗੁਰ ਕੈ ਭਾਣਿ ॥ बुलाइआ बोलै गुर कै भाणि ॥ Bulāiā bolai gur kai bẖāṇ. I speak as it pleases the Guru to have me speak. ਗੁਝੀ ਛੰਨੀ ਨਾਹੀ ਬਾਤ ॥ Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=22248 गुझी छंनी नाही बात ॥ Gujẖī cẖẖannī nāhī bāṯ. This is not a hidden secret; ਗੁਰੁ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਤੁਠਾ ਕੀਨੀ ਦਾਤਿ ॥੪॥੭॥੧੦੧॥ गुरु नानकु तुठा कीनी दाति ॥४॥७॥१०१॥ Gur Nānak ṯuṯẖā kīnī ḏāṯ. ||4||7||101|| Guru Nanak, greatly pleased, has bestowed this gift. ||4||7||101||
Source: Sri Granth: Sri Guru Granth Sahib
Waheguru ji ka khalsa
Waheguru ji ki fateh
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| | | | | re: Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji De Aagaman Divas Di Beant Vadhai Hoveh Ji Thanks Singhbj ji,Same to you too.
Dr Sahib Singh ji stated that the Shabad was written about Guru Nanak ji not in context of birth of Sri Hargobind Sahib ji, please read his interpretation, I am just sharing with all to see it If I have misunderstood, forgive me ਆਸਾ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਸਾਚੈ ਦੀਆ ਭੇਜਿ ॥ ਚਿਰੁ ਜੀਵਨੁ ਉਪਜਿਆ ਸੰਜੋਗਿ ॥ ਉਦਰੈ ਮਾਹਿ ਆਇ ਕੀਆ ਨਿਵਾਸੁ ॥ ਮਾਤਾ ਕੈ ਮਨਿ ਬਹੁਤੁ ਬਿਗਾਸੁ ॥੧॥ Asa 5th Guru. The True Satguru has sent the child. The long lived child has been born by destiny. When he came and acquired an abode in the womb, his mother's heart became very glad. ਸਾਚੈ = ਸਦਾ ਕਾਇਮ ਰਹਿਣ ਵਾਲੇ ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਨੇ। ਚਿਰੁਜੀਵਨੁ = ਅਟੱਲ ਆਤਮਕ ਜੀਵਨ। ਸੰਜੋਗਿ = (ਗੁਰੂ ਦੀ) ਸੰਗਤਿ ਨਾਲ। ਉਦਰੈ ਮਾਹਿ = (ਮਾਂ ਦੇ) ਪੇਟ ਵਿਚ। ਕੈ ਮਨਿ = ਦੇ ਮਨ ਵਿਚ। ਬਿਗਾਸੁ = ਖ਼ੁਸ਼ੀ।੧। (ਹੇ ਭਾਈ!) ਸਦਾ ਕਾਇਮ ਰਹਿਣ ਵਾਲੇ ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਨੇ ਗੁਰੂ (ਨਾਨਕ) ਨੂੰ (ਜਗਤ ਵਿਚ) ਘੱਲਿਆ ਹੈ ਉਸ ਦੀ ਸੰਗਤਿ (ਦੀ ਬਰਕਤਿ) ਨਾਲ (ਸਿੱਖਾਂ ਦੇ ਹਿਰਦੇ ਵਿਚ) ਅਟੱਲ ਆਤਮਕ ਜੀਵਨ ਪੈਦਾ ਹੋ ਰਿਹਾ ਹੈ। (ਹੇ ਭਾਈ! ਜਿਵੇਂ ਜਦੋਂ ਮਾਂ ਦੇ) ਪੇਟ ਵਿਚ (ਬੱਚਾ) ਆ ਨਿਵਾਸ ਕਰਦਾ ਹੈ ਤਾਂ ਮਾਂ ਦੇ ਮਨ ਵਿਚ ਬਹੁਤ ਖ਼ੁਸ਼ੀ ਪੈਦਾ ਹੁੰਦੀ ਹੈ (ਤਿਵੇਂ ਸਿੱਖ ਦੇ ਅੰਦਰ ਅਟੱਲ ਆਤਮਕ ਜੀਵਨ ਆਨੰਦ ਪੈਦਾ ਕਰਦਾ ਹੈ)।੧। ਜੰਮਿਆ ਪੂਤੁ ਭਗਤੁ ਗੋਵਿੰਦ ਕਾ ॥ ਪ੍ਰਗਟਿਆ ਸਭ ਮਹਿ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਧੁਰ ਕਾ ॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=22248 The son the saint of the World-Lord is born. The primal writ has become manifest amongst all. Pause. ਪੂਤੁ = (ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦਾ) ਪੁੱਤਰ। ਸਭ ਮਹਿ = ਸਭ ਜੀਵਾਂ ਦੇ ਅੰਦਰ। ਪ੍ਰਗਟਿਆ = ਪਰਗਟ ਹੋ ਪਿਆ, ਜਾਗ ਪਿਆ। ਲਿਖਿਆ ਧੁਰ ਕਾ = (ਜੀਵਾਂ ਦੇ ਕੀਤੇ ਕਰਮਾਂ ਅਨੁਸਾਰ) ਧੁਰ ਦਰਗਾਹ ਦਾ ਲਿਖਿਆ (ਸੰਸਕਾਰ-ਰੂਪ) ਲੇਖ।ਰਹਾਉ। (ਹੇ ਭਾਈ! ਗੁਰੂ ਨਾਨਕ) ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦਾ ਭਗਤ ਜੰਮਿਆ (ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦਾ) ਪੁੱਤਰ ਜੰਮਿਆ (ਉਸ ਦੀ ਬਰਕਤਿ ਨਾਲ ਉਸ ਦੀ ਸਰਨ ਆਉਣ ਵਾਲੇ) ਸਾਰੇ ਜੀਵਾਂ ਦੇ ਅੰਦਰ ਧੁਰ-ਦਰਗਾਹ ਦਾ (ਸੇਵਾ-ਭਗਤੀ ਦਾ) ਲੇਖ ਉੱਘੜ ਰਿਹਾ ਹੈ।ਰਹਾਉ। ਦਸੀ ਮਾਸੀ ਹੁਕਮਿ ਬਾਲਕ ਜਨਮੁ ਲੀਆ ॥ ਮਿਟਿਆ ਸੋਗੁ ਮਹਾ ਅਨੰਦੁ ਥੀਆ ॥ ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਸਖੀ ਅਨੰਦੁ ਗਾਵੈ ॥ ਸਾਚੇ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਕੈ ਮਨਿ ਭਾਵੈ ॥੨॥ In the tenth month by Lord command the baby has been born. Sorrow has left and great joy has become manifest. The mates sing the Guru's hymns in glee. This is pleasing to the True Lord's heart. ਦਸੀ ਮਾਸੀ = ਦਸੀਂ ਮਹੀਨੀਂ। ਹੁਕਮਿ = (ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦੇ) ਹੁਕਮ ਅਨੁਸਾਰ। ਸੋਗੁ = ਚਿੰਤਾ-ਫ਼ਿਕਰ। ਸਖੀ = ਜੇਹੜੀ ਸਖੀ, ਜੇਹੜਾ ਸਤਸੰਗੀ। ਭਾਵੈ = ਪਿਆਰਾ ਲੱਗਦਾ ਹੈ।੨। (ਹੇ ਭਾਈ! ਜਿਵੇਂ ਜਿਸ ਘਰ ਵਿਚ) ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦੇ ਹੁਕਮ ਅਨੁਸਾਰ ਦਸੀਂ ਮਹੀਨੀਂ ਪੁੱਤਰ ਜੰਮਦਾ ਹੈ (ਤਾਂ ਉਸ ਘਰ ਵਿਚੋਂ) ਗ਼ਮ ਮਿਟ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ ਤੇ ਬੜਾ ਉਤਸ਼ਾਹ ਹੁੰਦਾ ਹੈ; (ਤਿਵੇਂ ਜੇਹੜੀ ਸਤ-ਸੰਗਣ) ਸਹੇਲੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਦੀ ਸਿਫ਼ਤਿ-ਸਾਲਾਹ ਦੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਗਾਂਦੀ ਹੈ ਉਹ ਆਤਮਕ ਆਨੰਦ ਮਾਣਦੀ ਹੈ ਤੇ ਉਹ ਸਦਾ-ਥਿਰ ਰਹਿਣ ਵਾਲੇ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਦੇ ਮਨ ਵਿਚ ਪਿਆਰੀ ਲੱਗਦੀ ਹੈ।੨। ਵਧੀ ਵੇਲਿ ਬਹੁ ਪੀੜੀ ਚਾਲੀ ॥ ਧਰਮ ਕਲਾ ਹਰਿ ਬੰਧਿ ਬਹਾਲੀ ॥ ਮਨ ਚਿੰਦਿਆ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਦਿਵਾਇਆ ॥ ਭਏ ਅਚਿੰਤ ਏਕ ਲਿਵ ਲਾਇਆ ॥੩॥ The vine has extended and shall last for many generations. The Lord has firmly established the machinery of devotion and love. The Satguru has granted me what my mind wished for. I have become care free and have fixed my attention on one God. ਵੇਲਿ = ਗੁਰਸਿੱਖੀ ਵਾਲੀ ਵੇਲ। ਪੀੜੀ = ਬੰਸ, ਕੁਲ। ਕਲਾ = ਸੱਤਿਆ, ਤਾਕਤ। ਬੰਧਿ = ਬੰਨ੍ਹ ਕੇ, ਪੱਕੀ ਕਰ ਕੇ। ਬਹਾਲੀ = ਟਿਕਾ ਦਿੱਤੀ। ਮਨ ਚਿੰਦਿਆ = ਮਨ-ਇੱਛਤ (ਫਲ)। ਅਚਿੰਤ = ਬੇ-ਫ਼ਿਕਰ।੩। (ਹੇ ਭਾਈ! ਜੇਹੜੇ ਵਡ-ਭਾਗੀ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਗੁਰੂ ਦੀ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਦੀ ਬਰਕਤਿ ਨਾਲ) ਇਕ ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਵਿਚ ਸੁਰਤਿ ਜੋੜਦੇ ਹਨ ਉਹ ਚਿੰਤਾ ਤੋਂ ਰਹਿਤ ਹੋ ਜਾਂਦੇ ਹਨ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਉਹਨਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਮਨ-ਇੱਛਤ ਫਲ ਦੇਂਦਾ ਹੈ, ਗੁਰੂ ਉਹਨਾਂ ਗੁਰਸਿੱਖਾਂ ਵਿਚ ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦੀ ਧਰਮ-ਸੱਤਿਆ ਪੱਕੀ ਕਰ ਕੇ ਟਿਕਾ ਦੇਂਦਾ ਹੈ, ਇਹ ਗੁਰਸਿੱਖ ਹੀ (ਗੁਰੂ ਦੀ ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦੀ) ਵਧ-ਰਹੀ ਵੇਲ ਹਨ ਚੱਲ-ਰਹੀ ਪੀੜ੍ਹੀ ਹਨ।੩। ਜਿਉ ਬਾਲਕੁ ਪਿਤਾ ਊਪਰਿ ਕਰੇ ਬਹੁ ਮਾਣੁ ॥ ਬੁਲਾਇਆ ਬੋਲੈ ਗੁਰ ਕੈ ਭਾਣਿ ॥ ਗੁਝੀ ਛੰਨੀ ਨਾਹੀ ਬਾਤ ॥ ਗੁਰੁ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਤੁਠਾ ਕੀਨੀ ਦਾਤਿ ॥੪॥੭॥੧੦੧॥ Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=22248 As a child takes great pride on its father, so do I speak as it pleases the Guru to have me speak. It is not a concealed and hidden matter. Guru Nanak being mightily pleased has given me this gift. ਬੋਲੈ = ਬੋਲਦਾ ਹੈ। ਕੈ ਭਾਣਿ = ਦੇ ਭਾਣੇ ਵਿਚ (ਤੁਰ ਕੇ)। ਗੁਝੀ ਛੰਨੀ = ਲੁਕੀ ਹੋਈ।੪। (ਹੇ ਭਾਈ!) ਹੁਣ ਇਹ ਕੋਈ ਲੁਕੀ-ਛਿਪੀ ਗੱਲ ਨਹੀਂ ਹੈ (ਹਰ ਕੋਈ ਜਾਣਦਾ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਜਿਸ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਉੱਤੇ) ਗੁਰੂ ਨਾਨਕ ਦਇਆਵਾਨ ਹੁੰਦਾ ਹੈ (ਜਿਸ ਨੂੰ ਨਾਮਿ ਦੀ) ਦਾਤਿ ਦੇਂਦਾ ਹੈ ਉਹ ਜੋ ਕੁਝ ਬੋਲਦਾ ਹੈ ਗੁਰੂ ਦਾ ਪ੍ਰੇਰਿਆ ਹੋਇਆ ਗੁਰੂ ਦੀ ਰਜ਼ਾ ਵਿਚ ਹੀ ਬੋਲਦਾ ਹੈ (ਉਹ ਆਪਣੇ ਗੁਰੂ ਉੱਤੇ ਇਉਂ ਫ਼ਖ਼ਰ ਕਰਦਾ ਹੈ) ਜਿਵੇਂ ਕੋਈ ਪੁੱਤਰ ਆਪਣੇ ਪਿਉ ਉੱਤੇ ਮਾਣ ਕਰਦਾ ਹੈ (ਉਹ ਸਿੱਖ ਗੁਰੂ ਪਾਸੋਂ ਸਹਾਇਤਾ ਦੀ ਉਵੇਂ ਆਸ ਰੱਖਦਾ ਹੈ ਜਿਵੇਂ ਪੁੱਤਰ ਪਿਉ ਪਾਸੋਂ)।੪।੭।੧੦੧। ❀ ਨੋਟ: ਪੁੱਤਰ ਦੇ ਜਨਮ ਦੀ ਖ਼ੁਸ਼ੀ ਦਾ ਦ੍ਰਿਸ਼ਟਾਂਤ ਦੇ ਕੇ ਗੁਰੂ ਦੀ ਸਰਨ ਤੋਂ ਪ੍ਰਾਪਤ ਹੋਏ ਸੁਖ ਦਾ ਵਰਨਣ ਕੀਤਾ ਗਿਆ ਹੈ। | 
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I disagree with Dr Sahib Singh ji . It is quite clear from the Shabad that it was written in context of birth of Sri Hargobind Sahib ji. At the persistence of his wife Ganga Devi who anxiously sort for a child, Guru Arjan Dev ji told her that he was not destined to have a child. In his humility he told his wife Ganga Devi; "If you need a boon, ask not me but a pious Sikh like Baba Buddha, the aged seer and devout disciple of Guru Nanak". She proceeded with a large entourage and much fanfare to Baba Buddha who lived in a jungle near Amritsar. There she presented him with many delicacies to eat. Baba Buddha resented this and refused to provide any blessings. Upon hearing what happened, Guru Arjan Dev told his wife to return this time on foot, with a simple meal prepared by herself. This time Baba Buddha was delighted and partook of the simple food. He prophesied; "A son will be born to thee who will crush the enemies of Nanak's house, just as I have crushed this piece of onion with my hand." Thus Guru Hargobind ji was born by the boon of Baba Bhudda ji. (Gyaani Jarnail Singh ji - Plz make note: Evidence contrary to the views you hold and Mr Randip Singh ji – Plz note: One born by the blessing of Baba Bhudda ji and from the house of Guru Nanak would not go hunting animals for pleasure and eat meat as insinuated in your Blasphemous essay). This, it takes one to known it.
Now back to the shabad. ਆਸਾ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਸਾਚੈ ਦੀਆ ਭੇਜਿ ॥ ਚਿਰੁ ਜੀਵਨੁ ਉਪਜਿਆ ਸੰਜੋਗਿ ॥ ਉਦਰੈ ਮਾਹਿ ਆਇ ਕੀਆ ਨਿਵਾਸੁ ॥ ਮਾਤਾ ਕੈ ਮਨਿ ਬਹੁਤੁ ਬਿਗਾਸੁ ॥੧॥ Asa 5th Guru. The True Satguru has blessed me with child. After a long period, it was ordained by destiny. He came and acquired an abode in his mothers womb, his mother's mind was overwhelmed with joy. ਜੰਮਿਆ ਪੂਤੁ ਭਗਤੁ ਗੋਵਿੰਦ ਕਾ ॥ ਪ੍ਰਗਟਿਆ ਸਭ ਮਹਿ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਧੁਰ ਕਾ ॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=22248 A son was born who was a devotee of the Lord. The primal writ has become manifest amongst all. Pause. ਦਸੀ ਮਾਸੀ ਹੁਕਮਿ ਬਾਲਕ ਜਨਮੁ ਲੀਆ ॥ ਮਿਟਿਆ ਸੋਗੁ ਮਹਾ ਅਨੰਦੁ ਥੀਆ ॥ ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਸਖੀ ਅਨੰਦੁ ਗਾਵੈ ॥ ਸਾਚੇ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਕੈ ਮਨਿ ਭਾਵੈ ॥੨॥ By the command of the Lord, the baby was born in ten months duration. Sorrow departed and great joy has become manifest. The well wishers sing the Guru's hymns in glee. This was pleasing to the True Lord's heart. ਵਧੀ ਵੇਲਿ ਬਹੁ ਪੀੜੀ ਚਾਲੀ ॥ ਧਰਮ ਕਲਾ ਹਰਿ ਬੰਧਿ ਬਹਾਲੀ ॥ ਮਨ ਚਿੰਦਿਆ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਦਿਵਾਇਆ ॥ ਭਏ ਅਚਿੰਤ ਏਕ ਲਿਵ ਲਾਇਆ ॥੩॥ The vine of offspring has become extended and shall now last for many generations. The Power of the Dharma has been firmly established by the Lord. The Satguru has granted me what my mind desired. I become care free and absorbed myself in adoration of the one Lord. ਜਿਉ ਬਾਲਕੁ ਪਿਤਾ ਊਪਰਿ ਕਰੇ ਬਹੁ ਮਾਣੁ ॥ ਬੁਲਾਇਆ ਬੋਲੈ ਗੁਰ ਕੈ ਭਾਣਿ ॥ ਗੁਝੀ ਛੰਨੀ ਨਾਹੀ ਬਾਤ ॥ ਗੁਰੁ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਤੁਠਾ ਕੀਨੀ ਦਾਤਿ ॥੪॥੭॥੧੦੧॥ Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=22248 As a child takes great pride on its father, so do I speak as it pleases the Guru to have me speak. It is not a deeply concealed or hidden matter. Guru Nanak has blessed me with this gift. Pk70 ji, as you can see that the even Dr Sahib Singh has been subjected to a lapse of clear vision in this translation. It is akin to one trying to think clearly when pressure is building up in the stomach. Our scholars often suffer from these problems due to undue pressure from our religious authorities who in order to feed their own ego and prejudices and mislead the seekers of truth. I hope you doubts are clear from the amended translation above. The message in the above shabad is both worldy and spiritual. Ekmusafir_ajnabi | 
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| | | | | Re: Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji De Aagaman Divas Di Beant Vadhai Hoveh Ji Quote:
Originally Posted by ekmusafir_ajnabi Pk70 ji (Gyaani Jarnail Singh ji - Plz make note: Evidence contrary to the views you hold and Mr Randip Singh ji – Plz note: One born by the blessing of Baba Bhudda ji and from the house of Guru Nanak would not go hunting animals for pleasure and eat meat as insinuated in your Blasphemous essay). This, it takes one to known it. | Let's try to stay close to the thread topic. And let's try to avoid name-calling. See Forum rules 1 and 3A. 1. Respect: Treat all members with the kind of respect that you expect from them in return for yourself. 3A. Respond or discuss the issue, but not the member who posted it. | 
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| | | | | Re: Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji De Aagaman Divas Di Beant Vadhai Hoveh Ji Quote:
Originally Posted by aad0002 Let's try to stay close to the thread topic. And let's try to avoid name-calling. See Forum rules 1 and 3A. 1. Respect: Treat all members with the kind of respect that you expect from them in return for yourself. 3A. Respond or discuss the issue, but not the member who posted it. | Aad ji,
One day when you will really embrace Sikhism, you will understand why a Sikh responds to such allegations upon my Gurus, by Non Sikhs. Calling oneself a Sikh does not make one.
However I shall observe the rules of YOUR forum. | 
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Until then, you and others are going to have to just settle down and observe Forum rule 3A. NO NAME-CALLING. AND THANK YOU for being so AGREEABLE. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=22248 | 
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| | | | | Re: Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji De Aagaman Divas Di Beant Vadhai Hoveh Ji (quote) Pk70 ji, as you can see that the even Dr Sahib Singh has been subjected to a lapse of clear vision in this translation. It is akin to one trying to think clearly when pressure is building up in the stomach. Our scholars often suffer from these problems due to undue pressure from our religious authorities who in order to feed their own ego and prejudices and mislead the seekers of truth. I hope you doubts are clear from the amended translation above. The message in the above shabad is both worldy and spiritual. Ekmusafir_ajnabi Thanks Ekmusafir-ajnabi ji for clearing the questions around it , I couldn't make my views on it, usually I took it as a spiritual one than personal. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=22248 Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=22248 | 
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| | | | Re: Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji De Aagaman Divas Di Beant Vadhai Hoveh Ji Quote:
Originally Posted by ekmusafir_ajnabi Pk70 ji | Quote:
Originally Posted by ekmusafir_ajnabi I disagree with Dr Sahib Singh ji . It is quite clear from the Shabad that it was written in context of birth of Sri Hargobind Sahib ji. At the persistence of his wife Ganga Devi who anxiously sort for a child, Guru Arjan Dev ji told her that he was not destined to have a child. In his humility he told his wife Ganga Devi; "If you need a boon, ask not me but a pious Sikh like Baba Buddha, the aged seer and devout disciple of Guru Nanak". She proceeded with a large entourage and much fanfare to Baba Buddha who lived in a jungle near Amritsar. There she presented him with many delicacies to eat. Baba Buddha resented this and refused to provide any blessings. Upon hearing what happened, Guru Arjan Dev told his wife to return this time on foot, with a simple meal prepared by herself. This time Baba Buddha was delighted and partook of the simple food. He prophesied; "A son will be born to thee who will crush the enemies of Nanak's house, just as I have crushed this piece of onion with my hand." Thus Guru Hargobind ji was born by the boon of Baba Bhudda ji. (Gyaani Jarnail Singh ji - Plz make note: Evidence contrary to the views you hold and Mr Randip Singh ji – Plz note: One born by the blessing of Baba Bhudda ji and from the house of Guru Nanak would not go hunting animals for pleasure and eat meat as insinuated in your Blasphemous essay). This, it takes one to known it. | Actually the essay is not Blasphemous, because that is a Semitic notion, and we hold no such notions in Sikhism. In any case you tried and failed to rebut points in the essay. In fact your knowledge of Gurmukhi was found lacking on several occasions, and hence you departed from the debate some what embarrassed vowing never to return to sikhphilosophy.net , yet you are still here? Fact - Guru Hargobind ji went hunting. Bhai Gurdas confirms this, and well as Dabistan-e-Mazhib. All contemporary records point to this. Quote:
Originally Posted by ekmusafir_ajnabi Now back to the shabad. Asa 5th Guru.The True Satguru has blessed me with child. After a long period, it was ordained by destiny.He came and acquired an abode in his mothers womb,his mother's mind was overwhelmed with joy. A son was born who was a devotee of the Lord. The primal writ has become manifest amongst all. Pause. By the command of the Lord, the baby was born in ten months duration.Sorrow departed and great joy has become manifest.The well wishers sing the Guru's hymns in glee.This was pleasing to the True Lord's heart. The vine of offspring has become extended and shall now last for many generations.The Power of the Dharma has been firmly established by the Lord.The Satguru has granted me what my mind desired.I become care free and absorbed myself in adoration of the one Lord. As a child takes great pride on its father,so do I speak as it pleases the Guru to have me speak.It is not a deeply concealed or hidden matter.Guru Nanak has blessed me with this gift. Pk70 ji, as you can see that the even Dr Sahib Singh has been subjected to a lapse of clear vision in this translation. It is akin to one trying to think clearly when pressure is building up in the stomach. Our scholars often suffer from these problems due to undue pressure from our religious authorities who in order to feed their own ego and prejudices and mislead the seekers of truth. I hope you doubts are clear from the amended translation above. The message in the above shabad is both worldy and spiritual. Ekmusafir_ajnabi | I would rather believe Dr Sahib Singh ji than you Ekh Musafir. | 
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