Did Anyone Get To God Before Guru Nanak?, Responding to Challenges to Sikhi

simpy · #10 (**permalink**) 17-Apr-2007, 17:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Sikh Namdhari

Bhenji

Who am I to make you think like me? All I am trying to do is make you think like the Authors of Sarab Sanji Gurbani thought.

Respected Veer,

so you are suggesting that you know exactly how the authors of Sarab Sanjhi Gurbani- 'Dhan Dhan Guru Sahibaan and other Bhagats' thought. how come your thinking as well as your actions are totally opposite to all of them as well as it is opposite to Naamdharies, it is opposite to any Saints and others Spiritualy advanced people....

First Issue-
you had been announcing it over and over again that only a Guru' mouth(in a human body) has the eligibility to preach Gurbani. you had been announcing it time and again- otherwise it adds manmukhta of the person who is preaching it.

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Explaining is a proactive action. It requires a Kalaadhari to explain the spoken or written Word. If we try to understand it ourselves we run the risk of converting Gurmath into Manmath, something that is happening here at an unprecedented level.

SO MERE PYAAREY VEER, WHAT IS MAKING YOU ELIGIBLE TO USE GURBANI.-are you what's his name- Respected Jagjit Singh Ji, are you????

oh no; you cannot be him as he cannot make such an announcement as you made:

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I would be very interested to see how you distort these lines of Gurbani.

such a statement is totally opposite to Sainthood.
Saadh Sangat Ji please correct me if i am wrong.

SO WHAT IS MAKING YOU ELIGIBLE TO USE GURBANI TO PROVE YOUR THOUGHT?????

and you also said previously:

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All of the views I have expressed on these forums are views on Sikhi that have been untarnished by the Singh Sabha movement, whose thinking was and is greatly influenced by Western European thought.

AND WHAT IS INFLUENCING YOUR THOUGHT- as certainly it is not Sikhi, it cannot be Naamdahri??????

Second Issue-
Are NaamDharies giving open Invitations to others to distort Gurbani, is this something new?????
it wasn't their practice for last 40 years(never seen/nor heard during my lifetime), never read this in their History, May be they are going to write new history NOW!!!!!

None of their websites are doing this, or am i missing it veeray.
SO WHAT IS MAKING YOU START SUCH PRACTICE?????

Third Issue-
you are using both titles in your id-SIKH as well as NAAMDHARI, and you say you are not belonging to Sikh Dharam
your statements don't match Naamdhari thoughts
WHO ARE YOU
IS THIS SOME NEW RELIGION EVOLVING AT PRESENT??????

Forth Issue-
You have given an open invitation to distort Gurbani.
you twist gurbani interpretations to prove your point all the time
so all in all you DISRESPECT GURBANI all the time, wherease so many True Saints today are using Gurbani to support their 'WORD' (that makes it crystal clear Sarab Sanjhi Gurbani is over and above the words of those Saints)
Even your own statements show that Naamdhari Guru preaches Gurbani, so he is using Gurbani to support his word.

A saints word should be enough in itself, but they are still using Gurbani- shows that Gurbani is over and above them and their word. Saadh Sangat Ji please correct me if my statement is wrong.
WHY IN YOUR OPINION -SIKHS CANNOT BELIEVE IN THIS TRUTH?????
(as you had been questing this from your day one) WHERE GURBANI IS THEIR LIVING GURU.

Fifth Issue-

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The Satguru has always been the KALAADHARI FORM of Parmesar (Aatma only incarnates on Earth in living tissue), in which form He Speaks Bani which we then call Gurbani, That Bani is the Guru of all Banis because it is spoken by the Satguru and is therefore Amrit. The Guru speaks it, the Sevak Jan obey as He, the Partakh Guru explains clearly.

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To believe that your Guru is not to be distinguished different from God is an ancient Sanatan concept that comes down to us from time immemorial.

Your statement shows clearly that you don’t have a slightest of idea what Atma is, especially a Saints Atma.
You have no clue what a GURU is, you have no clue what Gurbani is, you have no clue what ‘Partakh Guru’ signifies.
You have no clue what Amrit is, and what is its significance.
Word of Guru doesn’t have any signifance for you-
Your prier statement-

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I am not a missionary. My aim is NOT to even try to convert. Satguruji do not preach convertions.

shows that Naamdharies don’t belive in conversions, but all you doing since your day one here on this forum-Missionary work.
So it makes it clear you have no clue what missionary work is..
you don't know what is -respect of Guru's word, as you yourself after announcing your guru's word, disobeying the same.
your own words-

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if any one expresses any opinion that even slightly challenges your views you come out with all your guns blazing.

what you are doing, exactly what you assume others do- choron ko sabhi nazar aatey hai chor, isn't it... so what your knowledge is all about.
WHAT DO YOU KNOW????? I guess nothing….

Sixth Issue-

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I no longer wish to remain amongst fools.

so what is bringing you back among the fools again and again. YOUR SATWAYN ASMAAN TE BETHI EGO, isn’t it…… and you repeatedly claim to be a NAAM DHARI- naam te haumai cannot live together-can they. Saadh Sangat Ji please correct me if i am wrong.
you are never true to your word, you have said this several times before- ‘I am not coming back here again, ever’. And then we find you spitting on us fools everywhere on the forum.
MY VEERAY, WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM;YOU CANNOT STICK TO YOUR OWN WORD EVER AND YOU ARE CONVINCING US TO BELIEVE WHAT YOU SAY????? IS IT POSSIBLE????

forgive me please

Harjas Kaur Khalsa · #11 (**permalink**) 18-Apr-2007, 14:55 PM

You're not even coming to participate in a discussion, you just start preaching fanatically how wrong all mainstream Sikhs are for not being convinced of your dedhari guru. You just attack, and then get knocked out by Mike Tyson. Give it up man. It's pitiful. What in the world are you trying to prove? Just chill, sit back, and have a normal discussion being respectful of the majority view. I'm sure you have some interesting opinions about other topics without always trying to convert Sikhs.

HIGHLIGHT FROM THE ENTERTAINMENT: Kalunk, rofl.

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Who am I to make you think like me? All I am trying to do is make you think like the Authors of Sarab Sanji Gurbani thought.

You over-estimate your abilities. This is completely delusional thinking.

braveheart · #12 (**permalink**) 18-Sep-2008, 00:42 AM

The God has always taken care of the direction of the souls of universe from the very begining.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-gurus/14855-did-anyone-get-god-before-guru.html
Guru Gobind Singh ji (the tenth Guru Nanak) was in perfect communication with the almighty God and he knew that no human body in coming time will be so truthful to carry the light of truth and therefore the knowledge and power recieved from the God was stored in the Guru Granth Sahib.
The Guru ended all conflicts which can arise from following a false guide which will be available in abundance in coming time.
We can see the fact in the deeds of Namdhari section who follow human Guru . Their Guru neither has any spiritual knowldege nor he is able to fight the mighty "kaal". Namdharis has travelled too far from the original truth and are following towards black hole to waste the precious human life .
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=14855
Thanks .
"waheguru ji ka khalsa . waheguru ji ki fateh "

BhagatSingh · #13 (**permalink**) 18-Sep-2008, 09:25 AM

Everyone born/died/lived before Guru Nanak got to God.

Archived_Member4 · #14 (**permalink**) 18-Sep-2008, 21:41 PM

No one gets to God. God reaches out to the blessed one's and grants them with his presence.