Sidh Gosht in Gurumukhi Script with English Transliteration

sachchasoda · #11 (**permalink**) 01-May-2007, 18:42 PM

Respected aad0002,

I think we don't post to please Aman Veer. And Aman Veer must be understanding this too, i hope

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You are right for the limitations part, unfortunately this SidhGost cannot be properly translated by anyone line by line- too much is needed to be explored before even beginning to read this. And just a friendly advise: too much listening to too many others thoughts can mislead you too, especially when you are a deep digger.
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If you are so keen to learn all the Gurbani(all 1430 pages in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji) my experience tells me that this can only be done by learning Gurmukhi(as a scholar). Otherwise First Practice whatever you have learned and you will see the difference. Body gets old, NOT THE SOUL. Naam Simran alongwith the earnest practice of the truth, awakens the Soul to its original pure condition in no time at all and you come into a state 'where nothing is impossible', and learning one more language- not a big deal at all.

So don't think like a scholar, think like a Gursikh- follow Guru's Word, whatever you have heard and grasped so far

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Saadh Sangat Ji bhul chuk maaf karna ji.

Narayanjot Kaur · #12 (**permalink**) 02-May-2007, 05:44 AM

Sachchasoda ji

You have said a lot in a short paragraph. A lot to process. Well don't worry. I am not giving up Gurmurki, but it is slow going. Sidh Gosht is a beautiful shabd. I will continue reading it over and over.

The more important things you have said really have to do with practicing what I (and everyone) already knows. Finding a peaceful and silent space in the mind and heart where Naam can take hold and make it easier to understand Bani in a deeper way. This is very helpful because the really beautiful parts of understanding haven't come, for me anyway, from the debates. In fact, the greatest insight happens when everything is quiet. Then you say, Naam will make everything else possible.
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Let everything go well with you.

kds1980 · #13 (**permalink**) 02-May-2007, 08:51 AM

aaad0002 ji
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this thread is quite old .i don't think that gyani ji visit this site anymore .

you also said that you are 61 year old and you will never able to understand gurbani like a teenager or a born sikh.i just want to say that the devotion you have for gurbani is much more than any other born sikh.you really are a blessed soul

homoeohealers · #14 (**permalink**) 10-Nov-2008, 13:12 PM

i am not able to download fonts to read Sidh Gosht

Narayanjot Kaur · #15 (**permalink**) 10-Nov-2008, 20:38 PM

What operating system are you using -- Windows or MAC-OS? Also what fonts are you trying to download?

Narayanjot Kaur · #16 (**permalink**) 04-Feb-2010, 02:23 AM

sachkhojacademy ji
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You have been continually spamming this forum with links to the 4share site to files related to all sorts of content. There is no discussion, no description, nothing but links to a site where files are stored.
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Consider this a warning. This is not acceptable. The posts are being deleted. If you continue this practice of spamming links to commercial sites- which has been going on now for months - you will be banned.,

findingmyway · #17 (**permalink**) 17-Dec-2010, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Narayanjot Kaur

Gyani Jarnail ji

There are some puzzling things in Sidh Gosht. These lines raise some questions for me.

dunIAw swgru duqru khIAY ikau kir pweIAY pwro ]
dunee-aa saagar dutar kahee-ai ki-o kar paa-ee-ai paaro.

"The world-ocean is treacherous and impassable; how can one cross over?

crptu bolY AauDU nwnk dyhu scw bIcwro ]
charpat bolai a-oDhoo naanak dayh sachaa beechaaro.

Charpat the Yogi says, O Nanak, think it over, and give us your true reply."

Awpy AwKY Awpy smJY iqsu ikAw auqru dIjY ]
aapay aakhai aapay samjhai tis ki-aa utar deejai.

What answer can I give to someone, who claims to understand himself?

swcu khhu qum pwrgrwmI quJu ikAw bYsxu dIjY ]4]
saach kahhu tum paargaraamee tujh ki-aa baisan deejai. ||4||

I speak the Truth; if you have already crossed over, how can I argue with you? ||4||

It sounds as if Naanak is saying to the yogi -- if you have already crossed over, how can I argue with you? Charpat the yogi has asked how does one cross over the world ocean, he says that it is treacherous. Who is it that Naanak will not argue with? I am thinking that Naanak himself has crossed over the world ocean and does not want to be drawn into a guessing game. It is almost as if he is saying: If you Charpat had crossed over the world ocean, you wouldn't be asking me these questions. Naanak has a different message, a diferent point of view.

But I am missing something. What is your understanding?

Thanks in advance. And this is a great topic for the forum. I have other questions, but can wait.

Narayanjot ji,
The way you put it makes the answer sound a little condescending to me which doesn't sit quite right. Another translation I have seen is one I really like;
Guru Nanak Dev Ji replies to Charpat, that you ask and want to understand but you must realise that Ik Oankar does not have to answer your question and I do not find fault in your question. Always remain absorbed in Waheguru and It will be your guide. This is expanded on in the next tuk.

I think here Guru Ji is telling us (and Charpat) not to make getting through life our aim but to focus on becoming a Gurmukh, ie pay attention to the path rather than the goal. What are other's thoughts?

It is pauri 6 that really intrigues me:
ਸੁਣਿ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਅਰਦਾਸਿ ਹਮਾਰੀ ਪੂਛਉ ਸਾਚੁ ਬੀਚਾਰੋ ॥
sun suaamee aradhaas hamaaree pooshho saach beechaaro ||
"Listen, Lord, to our prayer. We seek your true opinion.

ਰੋਸੁ ਨ ਕੀਜੈ ਉਤਰੁ ਦੀਜੈ ਕਿਉ ਪਾਈਐ ਗੁਰ ਦੁਆਰੋ ॥
ros n keejai outhar dheejai kio paaeeai gur dhuaaro ||
Don't be angry with us - please tell us: How can we find the Guru's Door?"

ਇਹੁ ਮਨੁ ਚਲਤਉ ਸਚ ਘਰਿ ਬੈਸੈ ਨਾਨਕ ਨਾਮੁ ਅਧਾਰੋ ॥
eihu man chalatho sach ghar baisai naanak naam adhhaaro ||
This fickle mind sits in its true home, O Nanak, through the Support of the Naam, the Name of the Lord.

ਆਪੇ ਮੇਲਿ ਮਿਲਾਏ ਕਰਤਾ ਲਾਗੈ ਸਾਚਿ ਪਿਆਰੋ ॥੬॥
aapae mael milaaeae karathaa laagai saach piaaro ||6||
The Creator Himself unites us in Union, and inspires us to love the Truth. ||6||

I don't understand how the anger fits in since there is no anger in the Satguru?

spnadmin · #18 (**permalink**) 17-Dec-2010, 07:10 AM

findingmyway ji

I think if you retrace the conversations from the beginning you will see that Narayanjot Kaur (formerly aad0002) was a very new member at that time. She seems to be raising the possibility of a Socratic dialog between Guru Nanak and the Yogis. However, her questions were not answered, and rather she was told that topic was too advanced for her as someone who could not read Gurmukhi, and therefore she should not concern herself any longer with her questions. Nor would translations be of any use. Ultimately she did not get any answers. I am nearly certain she appreciates your input. . A person could learn/know Punjabi and still not understand the passage. This is the type of Catch 22 that new Sikhs are subjected to on a regular basis.

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #19 (**permalink**) 17-Dec-2010, 09:10 AM

imho the Yogis and Sidhs that confronted the "Balak" (child) Nanak were all puffed up with what they had seemingly achieved via their secluded way of life..they thought they were reaching/or had already reached the other shore of this world of maya..and were wondering what a mere child that stood before them could teach them ?? Thus the questions.
Guru Ji gave the answers....that it is "HE" who is asking...and its "HE" who is answering....and to know all the answers one has to know the "HE"..by being as near to HIM as we possibly can..and one way of getting near Him is by the life of a householder, carrying out ones social and moral responsibilities and NOT by renunciation and abdication of ones responsibilities to family and society. No amount of solitary life, consuming only roots and veges fruits etc can achieve nearness to HIM..in fact the Haumai created by such acts takes one farther away ( as the Yogis demonstrated via various acts of sidhis and ridhis that failed to impress the child Nanak....the condescending use of the word BALAK (child) already shows how highly the oldies regarded themselves as compared to Nanak Ji...in reality they were not really seeking any answers..rather they were TESTING Nanak and that too in a most condescending way.

findingmyway · #20 (**permalink**) 18-Dec-2010, 21:43 PM

Thank you Gyani ji,
Although the questions are condescending, the answers are wonderful giving us a great learning opportunity not only from the answers but also from seeing the effect of false ego as displayed by the yogi's!

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Originally Posted by spnadmin

A person could learn/know Punjabi and still not understand the passage. This is the type of Catch 22 that new Sikhs are subjected to on a regular basis.

This is very true! I am an example in point without being new to Sikhism. Without vichaar, it is impossible to understand everything perfectly as we all have different strengths, experiences and understanding of language. By sharing knowledge, whatever the subject, all involved grow stronger. Anyone who says otherwise is ungenerous!