Propaganda against Radha Soami Satsang Beas Dera

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #28 (**permalink**) 08-Aug-2012, 18:31 PM

Choice of words..reveals....the reality.."Propoganda"....implies LIES and UNTRUTHS..and IF SPN has that..then what there to LEARN ?? Subterfuge/lies/etc are known HUMAN FAILINGS esp of those who call themselves Masters, Living masters, Gurus Satgurus etc...so actually there is no learning..its something else alltogether...lets just watch the fun...
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Gurjot317 · #29 (**permalink**) 08-Aug-2012, 18:39 PM

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Originally Posted by harry haller

other than amusement, is there any other point to this thread?

you say you are here to learn, as indeed we all are, but to learn first you have to unlearn everything that you know is wrong.

Defending Babas and living Gurus is wrong, you seem to think it is not, so whilst you embrace that, what can you possibly learn?

No sir ji,I have learnt a lot from ur side and my objective was that i should know wats the reson that ppl talk too much against dera and write fke things..and u self wrote that babas look for girls and use audis :

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I m not surprised and i never felt it wrong coz bowing my head doesnt make me weak,it makes me proud oderwise.

I asked simple question that every thing starts from inside and 10th gate is opened den ur soul travels journey to that almighty...so who will save you in dat way?

Kaal dont leave a single soul even when we are living simply outside,will it leave us inside? no...

if you think that its easy den try it...do it for ur rest of life and take examples of those who spend thousands of years but dint achieve anything..so see where we stand...

Kanwaljit Singh · #30 (**permalink**) 08-Aug-2012, 18:45 PM

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I asked simple question that every thing starts from inside and 10th gate is opened den ur soul travels journey to that almighty...so who will save you in dat way?

Your soul doesnt have to travel to meet almighty! Almight is all in all!

Luckysingh · #31 (**permalink**) 09-Aug-2012, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Gurjot317

Yes ,we need power in form of humans....
Guru Granth Sahib guides us n warns us but if you think it can lead us from the trap of kaal n guide us inside ..no...

Sir,I m again repeating that we need guru inside coz he guides us and those who went inside tells us ...why guru is necessary..i never gone inside and it will be my fortune if i go n see....

and those who go dont tell us coz these things are prohibited to explain in public and it cant be explained...

I have limit to explain and i even dont know why i m writing for it...

You think that Guru Granth Sahib Ji can't save us, so I need a guru in flesh and blood ?

Those who find themselves are prohibited to talk... what kind of a secret society is this dera ?

You say you haven't gone inside yourself to find the god within you, then how can you be even 50% sure of what you are claiming ?

LASTLY-you think that the trap of kaal can't be avoided by the Guru Granth Sahib Ji.??????
ANSWER- Sorry, but it seems that this thinking of yours MEANS that you are ALREADY TRAPPED.
... If you had trusted and had faith in the Guru Granth Sahib beforehand, then this trapping could have been avoided.!!!!!!!

GIVE ME SOMETHING STRONG that can convince me that I need a Guru in flesh and bone to help me find the God whom I am already In Touch With ???

Something SOLID and CONVINCING, please.

Soul_jyot · #32 (**permalink**) 09-Aug-2012, 10:28 AM

MASKEEN JI REVEALS TRUTH OF RADHA SWAMI'S WHO CALL THEMSELF GURU:
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sects-groups-cults/38887-propaganda-against-radha-soami-satsang-beas.html
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38887

1. http://youtu.be/46dSocbkIw4
2. http://youtu.be/DlqXpJpx83w

THE "NAAM" of Radhasoami sect, given in secret:

1. Jot Niranjan. 2. Omkar. 3. Rarankar. 4. Sohang. 5. Sat Nam

source: http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?...h/page__st__20

I strongly urge "Gurjot317" to review the book: NAAM OR WORD, by Late Kirpal Singh ( Runani Satsang, Sawan Ashram ) to get "knowledge" of his own life path, before misleading the Sikhs by his propaganda here!

Luckysingh · #33 (**permalink**) 09-Aug-2012, 10:54 AM

So, this secret ''naam'' is actually a choice of 5 different words given by the baba that the person must recite in secret.
- am I right ?

Well, how can these people call themselves sikh, if they have disregarded the primary teachings of Guru Granth sahib ji ?
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38887
They have already decided to accept this name giving baba as above the Guru Ganth Sahib Ji.

Who the heck is any human being that can claim to be a ''giver'' and ''provider'' of the Guru's Word,and then pretend it's a big blessing and secret.

RSS is also ''ageist'', since you have to be 25yrs old before the initiation!!!
What happens to the 23 yr old who has died battling the kaal ??

dalbirk · #34 (**permalink**) 09-Aug-2012, 17:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Gurjot317

Sat Shri Akal ji,

This is my first post n thread on the Forum.First of all,i would like to tell you about my objective to come here.I love a girl who shares Khalsa as surname and i was not aware about that there are issues b.w us and i tried to search about the mess then i came to know about the website.I have something to share with you and we believe in sant mat n disciples of Guru granth sahib n girl parents are against RSSB.

I hv heard a lot of things which are anti RssB and which is completely false..

like..

1) Dera allows tobacco etc?? no...
2)Dera allows drinking/Meat etc?? no..
3)Dera captures land etc?? i think no....

We are 6-7 friends who live together and one of them was at gurudwara about which a lot of propaganda was created that dera occupied it by force but its false..

He told me that Land was purchased in 7 crore Rupees and proper registration was done and with full respect Baba ji' guru granth sahib was placed to other place with respect and land was allotted to place Baba ji 's granth.But media and other religious parties made a propaganda that dera occupied land.its rubbish....Even Baba gurinder singh did ardaas and Guru Granth Sahib was respect fully placed to other place..now see wat media says...

4)A week Ago,near ludhiana a satsang ghar was attacked and every thing like doors,taps,walls were hammered by few groups..but they thought that Dera will complain about it but dera dint do it and every thing was fixed in before morning and satsang took place.no paper reported it n not channel.

5)Dera get donations from people....Thats rubbish..watever people send there as donation......you cant arrange a langar of one time with that money....

6)Dera speaks against sikhism?? n ask dem to leave sikhism....no..

I never heard it and there are satsangs on internet ...see where they said so..

and one important thing...i would like to share wid u..it was time when sant maskeen ji was in his last days..

We know that Sant maskeen ji never agreed with dera on one issue and it was that live guru...so few days before his swargwaas,maskeen ji arrranged a meeting with his 12-15 followers with baba gurinder singh.
Since He was against RSSB and baba gurinder singh so he asked his followers with him to ask questions while he will remain silent and he had no respect for baba gurinder singh.He taught 12-15 Questions to all his follower who were with him that u will ask this n that question to baba as ur own questions...in actual,these were the questions in the mind of maskeen ji but he dint want to talk with baba gurinder singh.

During meeting every question was raised n answered by baba gurinder singh ji and maskeen ji remained silent and when discussion was over then baba gurinder asked maskeen ji...

"" Hor koi Question hai tawade kol Maskeen ji jeda tusi poochna chandey ho???""

Maskeen ji got shocked and den he said that its my mistake of whole life that i couldnt recognize you.

There are loadz of bad things said about dera etc but these are false n misinterpreted mostly...I say 10 things wrong and these things changes into 100 in no time...

i would request every body to dont loose your faith n religion but once go to dera and listen n search wat they say....u will get answers of this propagandas.....

So my apologies are in your feet mere bhain prawo....kisi da dil dukhey te hath jod ke maafi hai ...but main rok ni sakya apne aap nu.....

kaafi kuj galat kya gya hai.....
even Radha Soami da matlab hi shiv dayal singh di wife naal jod ke vekhya gya hai....jo bilkul galt hai....

Gurinder singh khud hi bot rich ne n he doesnt control dera etc..n he doesnt own property of dera....

Dear Gurjot Ji ,
the Radha Soamy Dera is nothing more than mercenary making money out of vote bank . Each vote ( radha soamis who have taken so called NAAM DAAN ...... whatever that means ) are the staunch ( fixed ) vote bank of the Dera . The Dera maintains a database of the Radha Soamis who have taken naam which is sold to various political parties for a price of Rs.16,000 to 25,000 per vote for FIVE YEARS , which is manipulated in a way that with whichever party the DEAL is struck , their leaders are invited to BLOOD DONATION Camps , EYE DONATION CAMPS , INAUGAURATION OF HOSPITALS where the said leader gets his time to say a few words in praise of BABAJI . For about 60 years it was CONGRESS which got its share , but now after the marriage of Ganieve Grewal the grand daughter of Charan Singh ex Dera head of RSSB to Majithia the brother in law of Sukhbir Badal , it is Badals all the way especially in 2012 Assembly elections .
The RSSB control 100% of Fortis chain of hospitals , Religare Investments previously owned by RANBAXY owner Parvinder Singh the son in law of Maharaj Charan Singh married to his daughter Minni. The whole management of these two cos is by the board members of RSSB . These two cos are the entities where all the funds collected by RSSB end up .
http://www.sikhnet.com/discussion/vi...ha+soami#p1291
http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-s...dera-beas.html
http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sects-...-hai-guru.html
The philosophy of the Dera is quite simple , recite Gurbani & their own Kacchi Baani & give special treatment to words like SATGURU , SATSANG , GURU , SAADHU , SANT etc etc which is shown to have a need of a HUMAN GURU a Dehdhari Guru , not the SHABAD GURU which Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji clearly says about 100s of times in 1430 pages . Then they say follow the Radha Soami Maharaj , Gurinder's history is actually very colourful convicted for traficking girls to Dubai for Sheikhs , immigrating illegally to Italy are some of his lesser known achievements .

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #35 (**permalink**) 09-Aug-2012, 18:44 PM

Dalbirk Ji..

Now THATS the TRUTH..the whole truth and the NAKED ABSOLUTE TRUTH..not Propaganda. Its all freely available on the NET for free downloads read-ups etc....IGNORANCE is neither excusable nor bliss...
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38887

Our Mission here at SPN is to spread awareness about the One and ONLY Guru of Sikhs..the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. We dont have any agendas to carry propaganda or untruths about others...but when someone opens a can of worms..expect worms to emerge out of the Pandoras Box... WE DONT BLOCK anyone and our SOP is NO false criticism of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji or disparaging Sikh gurus, History, Granths etc. Other than that every poster is free to contribute anything and everything within bounds of decency. If someone lives in a glass hosue and throws stones..he cant turn around and complain about others throwing stones and making holes in his glass house...This is a PREEMPTIVE POST.

Kanwaljit Singh · #36 (**permalink**) 10-Aug-2012, 01:12 AM

Guru Nanak compiled Baanis of several Bhagats. Guru Granth Sahib has Baani of 6 Gurus. I think the living Guru for us is the sangat, our parents, our Gursikh friends, a Gursikh spouse etc. If you make just one person as your Guru, then try cutting off links with all others