3HO "Gora Sikhs" & Miri Piri Academy - What do you think?

Rory · #1 (**permalink**) 08-Jul-2012, 08:50 AM

Waheguruji ka Khalsa, Waheguruji ki Fateh!

(You can skip these two paragraphs if you like, they're not so important in relation to the thread!)
Hey everyone, I'm sure some have you have seen me around and you might already know that I'm an Irish singh who was born here and raised Catholic; I've had a really strong interest in Sikhi the past few months - what really triggered me to study was watching a documentary (it was about a bulk fruit/veg market in the UK, it was showcasing all the different cultures of people who came there etc., hard to explain) and in it there was a Sikh man who was in the market buying a load of (as far as I remember) bananas, to feed people at the Gurdwara.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sects-groups-cults/38756-3ho-gora-sikhs-miri-piri-academy.html

I found it really touching and it seemed so amazing, he was just a normal man who was doing his bit. He had a London accent and just seemed like a regular bloke who happened to be a Sikh, I just found it amazing when he explained Sikhs do this charity of letting homeless into their Gurdwara to feed them. He didn't seem like a fanatic or overly-religious, but here he was casually doing this charity work to help people. This is what made me look into Sikhi more and I was so surprised with what I found.

-

After researching Sikhi I was interested to know how many white people convert (seeing as I am white) to this religion, and the first article I came upon is this: http://www.rt.com/news/white-sikhs-f...th-in-sikhism/

It talks about the Miri Piri Academy and associated "Kundalini Yoga" or 3HO Sikhs.

I'd just like to know your opinions of this 3HO group and Kundalini-Yoga/Sikhi-fusion?
Personally I'm really glad I found out about Sikhi by my own research instead of hearing it through one of these groups, because I really don't like what they are teaching.

I don't understand why a Sikh would practice yoga - "traditional" or Punjabi Sikhs do not practice kundalini-yoga, why is it that these Westerners (I know I am a Westerner myself!) have come and changed around Sikhi and infused yoga practice with Sikhi? Surely if kundalini-yoga was something necessary in Sikhi then traditional Sikhism would encourage it, but it doesn't, and from my research there's nothing in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji about kundalini-yoga; aren't the 3HO basically saying that by adding in this practice so religiously, that traditional Sikhi and the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji are flawed?

The above paragraph is my opinion only, and I give it in the interest of giving this thread something to start off.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38756

These might also be worth a read:
http://www.rickross.com/reference/3ho/3hovisitor.html

http://www.mysticbanana.com/healthy-...ho-a-cult.html (read the comments)

linzer · #2 (**permalink**) 09-Jul-2012, 23:24 PM

Just to share my personal experience with 3ho. My wife has studied various forms of yoga since before we married and about five years ago we bought a building for a sales outlet for our bakery. In the back of the building was a space suitable for a yoga studio.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38756
My wife found a certification program in Mexico City for instructors of Kundalini and took the course. She took the course in spanish and she had to read various lectures of yogi bahjan translated into spanish. She would ask me "what do you think they're trying to say. The translation must be really bad. "
As it turns out it was'nt the translation.
We opened the yoga school and invited the instructor from Mexico City to give the course there. I decided that I'd take the course to help my wife, even though yoga has never been of much interest and we needed to have a minimum of ten people in order to open the course, all well and good.
I ordered the text book in English directly from the states because for one I can read spanish but I lazy. For two we wanted read in english what this guy was trying to say.
As it turns out it wasn't much. It's really suprising how this guy's incoherent babbling was and continued to be passed off as wisdom.
We went to 3ho gurdwara which was okay because we didn't know any better. Later we took a trip to India and visited various Gurdwaras including Darbar Sahib. It was after that that I got truly interested in Sikhi. I started studying from sources outside of 3ho, ordered a books from the states checked out sites on the net, etc..
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38756
I came to the conclusion very quickly that these people did'nt know much about sikhi. A good example is that they tell people that it's not necessary to understand what Gurbani means just the vibration of Shabad Guru will change you at the molecular level. I'm not kidding.
About half way through the course I was fed up and wanted to quit but my wife convinced me to keep on because it would look bad if one of the owner quit before the course was over.
Another example of silliness was in one class they said that Granth means knot. Okay. I looked it up every way that I could and only came up with book or volume. When I brought this up to the instructor she said" You won't find this in any dictionary!"
to which I replied "then you mean yogi bhajan made it up"
to which she responded " scholars don't know the secret of Shabad Guru."
I was pretty much dumbfounded. How do you respond to that?
To make a long story a little longer, We started going to Gurdwara that is mostly ethnic Indian Sikhs, but also a few 3ho. When the people from the 3ho Gurdwara found out they called my wife ranting and raving and told her that it was us or them. She said "Okay them."
I used to be really irritated by the distortion of Sikhi that Yogi bhajan has done but now I find it mostly sad that these people blindly follow this cult without taking the time to study what is Sikhi.
Just by the way my wife has stopped giving kundalini beacause yogi bhajan didn't know anything about yoga either and that he got his "mantras from the Sri Guru Granth Sahib is offensive.

Rory · #3 (**permalink**) 10-Jul-2012, 00:23 AM

Thanks for the post linzerji, it seems the only people with a lot of positive things to say about the 3HO are.. well, people who are members of the 3HO.

It's nice to know you found your way out of 3HO and did some research for yourself

It makes it kind of awkward, I think, for white people like me with an interest in Sikhi - non-3HO white Sikhs are definitely a minority.

Kanwaljit Singh · #4 (**permalink**) 10-Jul-2012, 04:11 AM

Quote:

After researching Sikhi I was interested to know how many white people convert (seeing as I am white) to this religion, and the first article I came upon is this: http://www.rt.com/news/white-sikhs-f...th-in-sikhism/

Most of the 3HO Sikhs are non-Indian Sikhs (I wouldn't say white etc.). Many of them follow the Rehat Maryada, but some of them might not even been to Amritsar or well versed with Sikh traditions. Some of the Kundalini yoga learners take up part Sikh look (e.g. wear turban but cut hair). It is hard to say how many are just Kundalini Yoga learners or Sikhs who are yogis. The community is a wide spectrum of accepted members between Yoga and Sikhi. But the problem is that some of the Yogis are going more towards Hindu mythology and philosophy.

Quote:

I'd just like to know your opinions of this 3HO group and Kundalini-Yoga/Sikhi-fusion?
Personally I'm really glad I found out about Sikhi by my own research instead of hearing it through one of these groups, because I really don't like what they are teaching.

Sikhnet is a well known Sikh website and is taken care of by 3HO Sikhs. Most of it is neutral material. But their camps are more known for Yoga than Sikhi teaching.

Quote:

I don't understand why a Sikh would practice yoga - "traditional" or Punjabi Sikhs do not practice kundalini-yoga, why is it that these Westerners (I know I am a Westerner myself!) have come and changed around Sikhi and infused yoga practice with Sikhi?

Yoga is an exercise of the body. But first we need the exercise of mind, and it comes with reading Gurbani. Anyway most of the western people who come in contact with 3HO are in for Yoga and less for Sikhi.

Quote:

Surely if kundalini-yoga was something necessary in Sikhi then traditional Sikhism would encourage it, but it doesn't, and from my research there's nothing in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji about kundalini-yoga; aren't the 3HO basically saying that by adding in this practice so religiously, that traditional Sikhi and the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji are flawed?

According to 3HO, Kundalini is something they do like 'Indian' Sikhs might do Kabaddi. But I am unsure how much free are they of the Sanatani/Hindu influence.

linzer · #5 (**permalink**) 10-Jul-2012, 04:19 AM

I prefer to think that I never entered rather than that I escaped.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38756
The thing that concerns me most about these people is that they give the wrong impression of Sikhi and people who might otherwise be interested are turned off by their craziness.

Rory · #6 (**permalink**) 10-Jul-2012, 06:36 AM

linzerji, that is what gets to me most about them.

Kanwaljit-ji, all I have read indicates they are very Hindu-influenced, even the ones who are geared more towards Sikhi.
http://whitesikhsect-3ho.blogspot.ie/

That blog says that Yogi Bhajan also taught a lot of things based on astrology, as far as I know astrology is not something accepted in Sikhi.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38756

I'm going to wait until someone answers from the 3HO camp before I post again, I think otherwise this thread might start to look like an attempt at slander.

EDIT: In relation to Sikhnet, I was reading an article there last night about meditation and one of the first things they mentioned was kundalini yoga, I don't know if I would call this neutral - the website casually instructed me to follow a PDF of kundalini yoga positions before meditation, claiming that it was important to stretch and build up energies..?

Kanwaljit Singh · #7 (**permalink**) 10-Jul-2012, 08:13 AM

The blog is a collection of their anti-Sikh activities, but it would be unfair to impose that all of them have the same disposition! Yes many of my friends have interacted with people who have recently become 3HO qualified yoga teachers and those who give sermons in Canadian Gurudwaras (non-3HO). A sense of discomfort is observed when hearing their views, for they are not similar to ours. I think we had some people affiliated with 3HO on our website. Best would be to get Gurmustuk and Guruka Singh here, provided they are treated finely like brothers!

Luckysingh · #8 (**permalink**) 10-Jul-2012, 09:42 AM

I have looked into these kundalini practices and...................I don't actually think that most of the scholars really understand what they are talking about.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38756
.......However, ONE thing that I have learnt is that you DON'T need this yoga practice to get your kundalini to Rise. --Infact this so called kundalini that some of them talk about,- I don't even think they have a clue or any experience!!!

Kamala · #9 (**permalink**) 10-Jul-2012, 13:00 PM

Kundalini practice is like a recreation that is not banned in Sikhism, like how you would play the Piano or have Dance class.