Sab Sikhan Ko Hukam Hai Guru Manyo Granth and the Radha Soami

prabhsmart · #10 (**permalink**) 04-Mar-2009, 14:20 PM

I am so sorry for people who can't see Guruji in Guru Granth sahibji.
they didn't tried I guess.
May Guruji Bless them with his Vision.

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Gyani Jarnail Singh · #11 (**permalink**) 04-Mar-2009, 15:17 PM

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Originally Posted by prabhsmart

I am so sorry for people who can't see Guruji in Guru Granth sahibji.
they didn't tried I guess.
May Guruji Bless them with his Vision.

Good for you Ji.

To ALL those "sikhs" ...and "Sants" and "wanna be sant followers"....and dehdharee guru seekers.... Guru nanak ji came...set up Gurmatt Paath....ahd nine successors to develop it fully and gave us His Pio Daddeh da Khazanah for KEEPS...in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. The JYOT of GURU NANAK-GURU GOBIND SINGH JI- GURU GRANTH JI....is ONE. JO PRABH ko mil bo chaheh KHOJ SHABAD mehN LEH....the SAME SHABAD that GURU NANAK JI declared to the Sidhs as HIS GURU....is with us in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

2. Many "SANTS" have said that they had the "privilege" of seeing in person..(Partakh Darshan) of GURU NANAK JI..or one of the other Gurus while doing paath of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.)

I will ONLY SAY....when Guru Nanak Ji passed on His Gurtagadee to BHAI LEHNA JI...ALL his SIKHS inlcuding Bhai Buddha Ji...MATHA TEKED TO GURU ANGAD JI..in the PRESENCE OF GURU NANAK JI. A short time later Guru nanak ji departed from this Earth. NOT a single sikhs ever again mentioned that "he saw/partakh darshan" of the just departed GURU NANAK JI. WHY ?? Simply because GURU ANGAD JI was GURU. PERIOD. Even Guru nanak jis sons ddnt say they saw Guru nanak ji's SREER/partakh darshan etc..

SAME STORY after Guru Angad Ji....Gurta was passed to BHAI AMARDASS JI....Guru Angad Jis sons refused to acknowledge the New GURU..BUT they too Never claimed they saw "Guru Angad Ji"..... Same story after Guru Amardass Ji...the sons of Guru Amardass Ji even KICKED Guru ramdass ji but never claimed they saw Guru Amardass Ji..

SAME story for the Remaining successor GURUS...till 1708. THE GURU ON THE GURTA GADDEE WAS the ONE and ONLY GURU. Any SIKH could have Partakh Darshan of the REIGNING GURU ONLY. None "desired" or claimed otherwise ???

BUT NOW when it comes to the GURTA GADEE of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.... we have so many "brahmgianis" claiming they saw and had partakh darshan of so and so Guru..so and so Guru came and ate the food he put there..blah blah blah. Did actual BRAHMGIANI Baba budha Ji also put "food" for Guru nanak ji to eat...say in Guru ramdass Jis presence ?? WHY NOT ??

Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is SAMPOORAN GURU in ALL ASPECTS. GURU NANAK JI gave His Gurtagadee to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji through Guru Gobind Singh Ji....Sabh Sikahn ko HUKM HAI..GURU maneyo GRANTH !! THEN WHY we have certian so called Brahmgianis hankering after the Partakh darshan of GURU Nanak JI ?? Are they trying to prove that they are special and can choose to have partakh darshan when NO other Brahmgiani from 1469-1800 tried this...
imho this is a SUBTLE ATTACK on the SAMPOORNTA OF Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji !! Soemhow the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji doesnt satisfy them as much as "seeing the ???? of GURU NANAK JI" floating around eating their offered food. What does this apparition/partakh darshan have that the PARTAKH DARSHAN OF Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji cannot give ?? Do they wnat to " feed" Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and failing that (possible ??) they INVENT the Floating Guru nanak ji eating it !! ( BUT IN PRIVATE..NOT in Pangat at the Gurdwara !!!!!!)

Somebody asked me...so did you have Partakh darshan of Guru gobind Singh ?? in Hemkunt ?? WHY ? I asked ? Is there any thing lacking in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji that I should ??Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is MY one and ONLY GURU..It has Everything. WHAT can a "PD" of GGS do for me that the Daily PD of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji i have cannot do ??

FROM Just "having Partakh Darshan" of DEHS of GURUS..other so called Brahmgianis PROGRESSED to ASSUMING the GURUDOM themsleves....why do you think the Sirsa saadh had the gall to dress up as and declare himself to be Guru gobind Singh Ji ?? Because Sikhs had come to accept such rubbish....until it crossed the limit.

Lets all go back to BASICS sanctioned by None other than Gru Gobind Singh ji in nanded 1708..GURU MANIYO GRANTH. PERIOD.

dalbirk · #12 (**permalink**) 04-Mar-2009, 17:43 PM

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Originally Posted by sadhu

Jazz
Your friend is correct. You have to find a living guru. Because only a living guru can explain what the guru granth sahib says. Otherwise how will you understand? Just like you need a guide to explain you a simple geaographical map, similarly you need a living guide to explain you the real meanings of gurugranth sahib; because only a guide knows the various signs, directions, routes and the bypasses on the map. If you think that you can manage without a guide, and just with a map you can reach enlightenment, then best of luck my friend.

Guru granth sahib is just like a map, its like a set of directions pointing towards your inner consciousness. Its a poetry of the ones who have known the eternal. Its a poetry of the ones who have tasted the tasteless; and a poetry is not an easy thing to understand. Poetry of even an ordinary poet is quite difficult to understand, then how can you make out what the ten gurus were trying to say?

If you want to know how to swim then its better to learn it from a coach who knows how to swim, rather then reading a manual of "How to swim". Infact that manual too, would be explained to you by your coach because you can never learn swimming by reading a manual. You can cram the manual by heart, you can read the manual everyday but you definitely need a coach if you really want to learn how to swim. Manual can be helpful only if their is a coach to explain the manual and teach you the techniques of swimming. But if you want to try it without a coach, then go ahead.

Dear Sadhu Ji ,
IMHO if u ever in ur life devote some 60-70 hours trying to go through Prof.Sahib Singh Ji's GURU GRANTH DARPAN in Punjabi
http://www.gurugranthdarpan.com/
, u may get many times more enlightenment than ur so called BRAHMGIANI , SANT , SADH , MAHARAJ can ever hope to get in perhaps countless lives . I'm fully agreed to Gyani Jarnail Singh Ji's remarks that most of the problems & aims of these Dehdharis r financial . All ( no exceptions ) r running like well oiled corporations with deep contacts in Political parties so that their assets ( Votebank databases ) can be well harnessed . Election time is near in India , so it is season time again . See the following thread
SikhNet Discussion Forum • View topic - Radha Soami land grab
Don't pawn urself , your money & ur family to this PROFESSIONAL MAFIA ( LIVING GURUS ) because they are after all humans influenced by FIVE VICES . Who knows under their influence ( Kaam ,Krodh , Lobh , Moh , Ahankaar ) where these so-called LIVING GURUS going to lead u to ( which deep pit ) ?

kds1980 · #13 (**permalink**) 05-Mar-2009, 11:13 AM

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And do me another favour, tell me the names of the people who have reached god and have attained god, by just reading gurugranth sahib.
Because i can give you names of hundreds of people who have attained without reading gurugranth sahib, and some of them have never even heard of gurugranth sahib, but they definitely had a living guru in their lives.

Wait a minute On another thread you are questioning existence of god and here you are saying that you know hundreds of people who have attained the god.Why so much contradiction in your posts

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #14 (**permalink**) 05-Mar-2009, 12:42 PM

Sadhu Ji,

The Line that you seek ref the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is in Sidh Ghost and quoted in my earlier post.
SHABAD is the GURU of Guru nanak Ji and the succeeding Gurus..and the SHABAD GURU is our GURU.
Althought there are many many more similar lines...this one suffices.
Like they say..daal wich ek dana toh liyeeda...you just need to just feel one pea in the soup...no need to squash every pea to know the soup is cooked....

All the Hundreds of thousands of MARTYRS who gave their lIVES for Sikhi from 1469- NOW..and Coming Centuries....are Living Proof of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji/Khandeh batte Dee Pahul.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sects-groups-cults/3214-sab-sikhan-ko-hukam-hai-guru.html

Neither the Sikh Gurus or the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji states that OURS is the ONLY WAY. So that negates any others who may have attained God...that is under His Hukm. Fore those who beleive in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji..the Shabad GURU is the ONLY WAY and ENOUGH.....
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=3214

Thanks and stay in chardeekalla...good luck in finding your very own living master/sant/brahmgiani whatever....

Narayanjot Kaur · #15 (**permalink**) 06-Mar-2009, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by sadhu

gyaini jarnail singh ji

Can you please explain me the meaning of the words "sidh ghost" and the word "shabd guru"?

Hundreds and millions of people have been martyrs all over the world, that does not mean that they had experienced god. They definitely were dedicated and enthusiastic, but that does not neccessarily means that they had experienced god. Thousands of men died and were called martyrs during 1984 riots, but that does not mean that they had experienced god.

Thanks, this is what i am trying to say, that sikhism is not the only way to reach god, and their are many other ways by which one can reach god, and people have actually attained god by different paths. And the ones who have attained become god themselves, they may look like simple human beings, but they have now merged in the infinite. Those are the ones who can talk about the ways to attain god, because they themselves have attained. They are the ones who have a clarity and a pure consciousness, and they are the ones who really understand Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji or any other holy book.
The way we read Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is no more like a child trying to read a driving manual, we may read it thousands of times, but it wont help us to drive a car. We need an instructor to explain the manual, and then finally to drive a car. Just to drive a simple car and understand its workings, one needs an able instructor, then how can you understand the mysterious god without an able master.
The manuals will not help without an able instructor. And moreover the importance of an instructor is mentioned a number of times in the manual. But many people believe that the manual itself is the instructor, which is very foolish. The importance of a living guru is mentioned so many times in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, but people say that Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is itself the guru, which is never mentioned in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

sadhu ji

There is the crux of the matter. Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Maharaj is not a manual, not a training manual, not a driver's manual. It is the Guru. Granth Sahib ji speaks with the voice of all the Gurus who went before, and Granth Sahib contains their light. Granth Sahib ji is the Teacher.

ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਇਸੁ ਜਗ ਮਹਿ ਚਾਨਣੁ ਕਰਮਿ ਵਸੈ ਮਨਿ ਆਏ ॥੧॥ gurabaanee eis jag mehi chaanan karam vasai man aaeae ||1|| Gurbani is the Light to illuminate this world; by His Grace, it comes to abide within the mind. Granth Sahib ji is the Light that dispels Darkness.

ਗੁਰ ਪਰਸਾਦੀ ਛੁਟੀਐ ਬਿਖੁ ਭਵਜਲੁ ਸਬਦਿ ਗੁਰ ਤਰਣਾ ॥੧॥ gur parasaadhee shhutteeai bikh bhavajal sabadh gur tharanaa By Guru's Grace you shall be saved. Through the Word of the Guru's Shabad, you shall cross over the terrifying world-ocean of poison. ||1|| Granth Sahib ji grants His grace.

prਸਬਦੁ ਭਾਖਤ ਸਸਿ ਜੋਤਿ ਅਪਾਰਾ ॥ sabadh bhaakhath sas joth apaaraa || Giving voice to the Shabad, the moon of the mind is illuminated with infinity. Granth Sahibji gives voice to the Shabad. Hear it.

In the Hebrew Bible it says, He who hears, let him hear; and he who refuses, let him refuse. In Guruji says, ਕੀ ਨ ਸੁਣੇਹੀ ਗੋਰੀਏ ਆਪਣ ਕੰਨੀ ਸੋਇ ॥ kee n sunaehee goreeeae aapan kannee soe ||Haven't you heard the call from beyond, O beautiful soul-bride?

Same idea.

pk70 · #16 (**permalink**) 06-Mar-2009, 14:58 PM

Moreover i have not been able to locate one single line in gurugranth sahib that says that the granth is the supreme gur (quote sadhu ji)

ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਕੀਬਾਣੀਸਤਿ ਸਰੂਪੁ ਹੈ ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਬਣੀਐ ॥(Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji304)
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=3214
Saṯgur kī baṇī saṯ sarūp hai gurbāṇī baṇī▫ai.
The Word of the True Guru's Bani is the embodiment of Truth; through Gurbani, one becomes perfect.
ਮਃ 4
ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਕੀਬਾਣੀਸਤਿ ਸਤਿ ਕਰਿ ਜਾਣਹੁ ਗੁਰਸਿਖਹੁ ਹਰਿ ਕਰਤਾ ਆਪਿ ਮੁਹਹੁ ਕਢਾਏ ॥(Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji308)
Saṯgur kī baṇī saṯ saṯ kar jāṇhu gursikẖahu har karṯā āp muhhu kadẖā▫e.
O GurSikhs, know that the Bani, the Word of the True Guru, is true, absolutely true. The Creator Lord Himself causes the Guru to chant it.
ਮਃ 4

Here is answer for your direct question
ਮਃ ੩॥ਇਕਾ ਬਾਣੀ ਇਕੁ ਗੁਰੁ ਇਕੋ ਸਬਦੁ ਵੀਚਾਰਿ॥ਸਚਾ ਸਉਦਾ ਹਟੁ ਸਚੁ ਰਤਨੀ ਭਰੇ ਭੰਡਾਰ॥ਗੁਰ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਤੇ ਪਾਈਅਨਿ ਜੇ ਦੇਵੈ ਦੇਵਣਹਾਰੁ॥

Mėhlā 3.Ikā baṇī ik gur iko sabaḏ vīcẖār.Sacẖā sa▫uḏā hat sacẖ raṯnī bẖare bẖandār.Gur kirpā ṯe pā▫ī▫an je ḏevai ḏevaṇhār.
3rd Guru.There is but one Divine sermon, uttered by the only Guru; there is One Name to reflect upon.True is the merchandise, true the shop and true the garners filled with jewels.If the Beneficent Lord bestows, then alone are they obtained by the Guru's grace.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=3214
ਇਕਾ, ਇਕੁ, ਇਕੋ = ਕੇਵਲ, ਸਿਰਫ਼।

ਕੇਵਲਬਾਣੀ ਹੀ ਪ੍ਰਮਾਣੀਕ ਗੁਰੂ ਹੈ, ਗੁਰੂ ਦੇ ਸ਼ਬਦ ਨੂੰ ਹੀ ਵਿਚਾਰੋ-ਇਹੀ ਸਦਾ-ਥਿਰ ਰਹਿਣਵਾਲਾ ਸੌਦਾ ਹੈ, ਇਹੀ ਸੱਚਾ ਹੱਟ ਹੈ ਜਿਸ ਵਿਚ ਰਤਨਾਂ ਦੇ ਭੰਡਾਰੇ ਭਰੇ ਪਏ ਹਨ, ਜੇ ਦੇਣਵਾਲਾ (ਹਰੀ) ਦੇਵੇ ਤਾਂ (ਇਹ ਖ਼ਜ਼ਾਨੇ) ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਦੀ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਨਾਲ ਮਿਲਦੇ ਹਨ।
ਮੈ ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀਆਧਾਰੁ ਹੈ ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਲਾਗਿ ਰਹਾਉ ॥੮॥(Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji759)

Mai gurbāṇī āḏẖār hai gurbāṇī lāg rahā▫o. ||8||
I have the Support of the Word of the Guru's Bani. Attached to Gurbani, I survive. ||8||
ਮਃ 4

All above quotes are enough for a Sikh to seek wisdom through Guru Granth Sahib ji only, if some one makes another choice, so it be. Truly we have no problem. We as Sikhs, believe only in Guru Granth Sahib as a Guru, seek wisdom from it, who interprets Guru Granth Sahib ji is a Gursikh but not our Guru. Numerous people got enlightenment before Guru Nanak, as Sikhs, we dont see any problem with them either.

Narayanjot Kaur · #17 (**permalink**) 06-Mar-2009, 17:25 PM

Bani is the Guru. Guru is the Bani. Sri Guru Granth Sahib Maharaj is the Guru. The Bani is Sri Guru Granth Sahib. Sri Guru Granth Sahib is Gurbani. Gurbani is Sri Guru Granth Sahib Maharaj,
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=3214

and like that.

I know that this is a subtle concept and it requires a little thought.

Archived_Member5 · #18 (**permalink**) 06-Mar-2009, 19:25 PM

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quote=Gyani Jarnail Singh;94779]imho.....The title of this Thread is MISLEADING. Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is not " human-living" as in the sense implied. The Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji also doesnt have the "needs" the human gurus have..financial mostly...but also vote banks manipulation for political masters, politics, etc etc.
It should be..Do you really need a "Human Guru" aka the Beas guru..sirsa guru..bhaniara guru... ??

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Sab Sikhan ko – The Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is a living word, those who profess to be dedicated Sikh followers, seekers of truth read, understand, apply the word of Bani to thinking, actions and your life according to the bounds and limits of your capability.

Hukam Manyo – ordained by the Gurus as the living enduring wisdom and word, living as in the context and message evolve with ones maturity and intellect, stages of understanding, comprehension and experience. Enduring as ineffable in its capacity to direct the mind from confusion, complexity, temptation and sin nature back onto a self controlled, mindful, illumined path.

Guru Manio Granth – The Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is understood by the devoted adherent is the full and complete book of knowledge and reasoning man requires to understand all variants of data, information and knowledge. Quantum intelligence requires a cognisant underlying premise of rationale, the ability to see the universal in a pearl, progressing towards an expansion of consciousness able to look upon the universe as an entire creation, known and beheld.

The world created by a thought, a seed giving life to what we behold each day reliant upon the quality of our observations. It becomes therefore as Supreme and as complete in its entirety as one’s own intellect allows and permits. Onus is upon the scholar of GurMat and Bani to understand than the Bani to be proved to those as yet unblessed with the dilated mind and supplicated heart to fathom its simple truths swathed in poetic prose. ...

The Beas Guru Ji remains one of the most respected and loved Saints in the world today and gone before. Were we to be blessed by another such dignified, noble and perfect being, would our ego’s and eccentricities allow it is the question. A nation is as great as the one governing and leading it. A religion is as strong as its Guru Ji’s teaching, a family is as united and of standing as its elders and seniors tuition and guidance....

WAheGuRu Ji ...