Lets talk about radha swami's

badshah · #1 (**permalink**) 10-Aug-2010, 00:21 AM

10 Gobind Singh Ji 22 December 1666 11 November 1675 7 October 1708 41 age - then almost 150 years later the Rada Swami's started.... how were they allowed to start their offshoot?

1980's Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwalla - When at his peak, did he address the issue of Rada Swami's? What did he do about it?

Does this look like a Khalsa Sikh?
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Has Manmohan Singh addressed the issue of Rada Swami?

What does the Indian government class Rada Swami's as?

How did this group start and then end up incorporating Sikhism into their belief -

Dera_Sacha_Sauda

- do they call themselves Sikhs too?

Although I just realised that the gora Sikhs when initiated branded themselves as 3HO, for those who still continue in Sikhism do they now call themselves SIkhs and reject a socalled 3HO Sikh label?

What does our religion say about what the above groups have done? What does Sikhism say to do about the above? (For example Islam teaches to wage war against infidels)

I ask these question because a wicked Rada Swami calls himself a Sikh and I am like ***!

Thanks

badshah · #2 (**permalink**) 10-Aug-2010, 00:34 AM

Holy smokes.....! I just did a search for this topic and it is already indexed in Google.... that was fast! Wow!

Seeker9 · #3 (**permalink**) 10-Aug-2010, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by badshah

10 Gobind Singh Ji 22 December 1666 11 November 1675 7 October 1708 41 age - then almost 150 years later the Rada Swami's started.... how were they allowed to start their offshoot?

Probably because they thought it was an easy option whereas Sikhism requires a disciplined mind to read and understand the scriptures

1980's Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwalla - When at his peak, did he address the issue of Rada Swami's? What did he do about it?

[COLOR="rgb(0, 100, 0)"]Nothing as he was probably too busy desecrating the Golden Temple[/COLOR]

Does this look like a Khalsa Sikh? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiv_Dayal_Singh

Has Manmohan SIngh addressed the issue of Rada Swami?
Such blatant interventions of politics over religion can end in disaster...perhaps the Indian government has learned something from the '80s...

What does the Indian government class Rada Swami's as?

It's just one of dozens of other paths like nirankaris, bahai's, jains etc

How did this group start and then end up incorporating SIkhism into their belief - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dera_Sacha_Sauda - do they call themselves Sikhs too?
I know a lot of RS, some of them who also wear turbans. But I think they would class themselves as RS first

Although I just realised that the gora Sikhs when initiated branded themselves as 3HO, for those who still continue in Sikhism do they now call themselves SIkhs and reject a socalled 3HO Sikh label?

What does our religion say about what the above groups have done? What does Sikhism say to do about the above? (For example Islam teaches to wage war against infidels)

I ask these question because a wicked Rada Swami calls himself a Sikh and I am like ***!

Thanks

[COLOR="rgb(0, 100, 0)"]Yes, Islam appears to be quick to raise arms!
Personally, I don't think they are worth the effort. Each to their own[/COLOR]
One thing I would say though...like some other defender's of the faith on this forum, a lot of the RS people I know (and I do respect some genuine ones also) but a lot of them wear their faith like a badge and consider themselves superior and try and push their beliefs on others....

I have no time for that whatsoever!!

ugsbay · #4 (**permalink**) 10-Aug-2010, 01:38 AM

Seeker Ji to be honest i have never quiet understood what their belief system is. I asked A RS once the same question and he said we believe in All religions, it seemed to me they have used all the major religions and put together the bits that suit them. But i may be wrong, on sunday mornings i go for a long jog around the park. I always see 15 to 20 Radha Swamis waiting for a bus. To be honest i dont even know where they go to pray. I have heard they have acres of land in Punjab "Beas".

badshah · #5 (**permalink**) 10-Aug-2010, 01:51 AM

Why do they call themselves Sikh? Although yes a religion was formed by Guru Nanak Dev Ji which then evolved over 9 gurus to a saint soldier religion that was sealed as a faith called Sikhism, they only believe in the first 5 gurus so how can they be Sikh. You would have to believe in all 10 gurus, especially the 10th since he gave us the uniform.

If they only believe in the first 5 gurus then that makes them pakandee Sikhs and better that they do not call themselves Sikhs at all! I mean any joker can wear a turban on their head and grow a beard, does not mean that these RS's can tell me they are Sikh, what do they think I am stupid?

kds1980 · #6 (**permalink**) 10-Aug-2010, 01:59 AM

The tradition of Sadhu sant's pir faqir is an age old tradition of India.People of all religions use to go visit them ,hear their katha and sometime may join them .Radhaswami's are very popular in India among businessmen.many shopkeepers irrespective of religion keep photo of Radha swami Guru's.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=31787
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=31787

The reason why sikhs go to them is simple .It is human nature.When they hear that some sant ,baba is doing miracle's then sikhs are also tempted to go to them and many time after hearing their speeches they become their follower

kds1980 · #7 (**permalink**) 10-Aug-2010, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by badshah

Why do they call themselves Sikh? Although yes a religion was formed by Guru Nanak Dev Ji which then evolved over 9 gurus to a saint soldier religion that was sealed as a faith called Sikhism, they only believe in the first 5 gurus so how can they be Sikh. You would have to believe in all 10 gurus, especially the 10th since he gave us the uniform.

If they only believe in the first 5 gurus then that makes them pakandee Sikhs and better that they do not call themselves Sikhs at all! I mean any joker can wear a turban on their head and grow a beard, does not mean that these RS's can tell me they are Sikh, what do they think I am stupid?

The Hindu radhaswami's don't call themselves sikhs

badshah · #8 (**permalink**) 10-Aug-2010, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Kanwardeep Singh

The tradition of Sadhu sant's pir faqir is an age old tradition of India.People of all religions use to go visit them ,hear their katha and sometime may join them .Radhaswami's are very popular in India among businessmen.many shopkeepers irrespective of religion keep photo of Radha swami Guru's.

The reason why sikhs go to them is simple .It is human nature.When they hear that some sant ,baba is doing miracle's then sikhs are also tempted to go to them and many time after hearing their speeches they become their follower

Yeah but if their gurus can really heal the wounded, protect the poor, cleanse the diseased etc etc then yeah who would not go to healed. However has their ever been a case of people being healed, for example the cripple can now walk?