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| | | | | Nanaksar Movement Nanaksar Movement Nanaksar Movement Doctrines A strict belief in vegetarianism (excluding eggs and fish), celibacy (both gurus were celibates), austerities, asceticism and meditation (using a rosary), and a focus on Guru Nanak, all push the Nanaksar devotees into Sanatan Sikhism (see entry). The gurus of this group also favoured the Nirmala tradition of asceticism (see entry) known to be the core of Sanatan Sikhism with the Udasis (see entry). They believed that deep reverence of the Guru Granth would lead to the darshan (spiritual vision) of Guru Nanak himself. Thus the Adi Granth is very much the focus of this movement. They believe that the Sevadhars (those who help in the temple precincts) must be celibates, and are called bahingams, literally 'birds' that have no attachment to earthly abodes. This again stresses their Sanatanist nature. Devotees believe that Guru Nanak was an incarnation (avatara) of the Divine. [The Hindu doctrine of avatar has been explicitly rejected by orthodox Tat Khalsa Sikhs, see entry]. They specialise in extended sessions of kirtan (devotional singing of the praises of the divine) at times of the full moon (purnimasi). Guru Nanak's birthday is celebrated with special vigour on the nearest full moon. It is believed that staying awake (meditating and performing kirtan) all night is more beneficial than staying awake during all the other nights of the year put together. (See also Sikh Panth entries). History The Nanaksar movement was founded by Nand Singh (1869/1872-1943). Nanaksar is near Kaleran village, five kilometres from Jagraon in the Panjab. Nand Singh was a celibate who practised severe austerities and prolonged meditations. He had visions of Guru Nanak, Guru Har Krishan and Guru Gobind Singh, when performing his seva (religious service) at Huzur Sahib Gurdwara. These visions drove him to study the meaning of the Guru Granth Sahib. He became a disciple of Sant Wadhawa Singh and Harnam Singh and practised meditation, especially with the latter. In 1912 Guru Nanak came to them in meditation. He asked them to ask for something. Nand Singh replied only that he should be Nanak's own. Nanak, pleased with their devotion, replied "recite and teach others to recite". In 1918 he returned to Kaleran village and continued his austerities and meditations in underground holes (bhores). He did not allow Gurdwaras to be built in his name nor where he meditated but prophesied that there would be a fine Gurdwara built on such a location. And Indeed it was built there where he meditated in Kaleran village.
In 1927 Nand Singh met his eventual successor Ishar Singh. It is often said that Ishar Singh served Nand Singh as Guru Angad served Guru Nanak. Ishar Singh also did not marry. In 1950 he began the construction of the prophesied Gurdwara, where one of Guru Arjan's hymn (the Sukhmani 'pearl of peace') is constantly recited. Ishar Singh did not name a successor and the movement has split under several gurus. Symbols The Nanaksar Gurdwaras do not fly the Khalsa flag (nishan sahib). This is symbolic of its apolitical stance, since the emblem on the flag represents the orthodox and much politicised institution of the Shiromani Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee and its political wing the Akali Dal. Indeed the movement claims to be non-political. They wear white turbans tied horizontally across the forehead, a white long shirt (chola) but without the usual trousers (pajama). This dress is evidently symbolic of Nand Singh who dressed the same way captured in paintings and photographs. The Guru Granth Sahib is treated with greater reverence than any other Sikh group; they do not merely give it a small stand but a full-sized bed, and full-size gifted sheets (ramalas) to cover it. Often and uniquely the movement's paintings of Guru Nanak depict a star on the sole of his upturned feet. Such spiritual-cum-prophetic marks (lakshanas) are usual in Hindu and Buddhist iconography, depicting the saintliness of the Guru or Avatar, Bodhisattva or Buddha. Devotees interpret the symbol on the foot (known as padam) as meaning that Guru Nanak is an avatar (divine incarnation of God/Krishna). Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sects-groups-cults/30180-nanaksar-movement.htmlReference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=30180 Adherents Little research has been conducted concerning this group. There are no official numbers, (see note at the end of the Explanatory Introduction). Headquarters/
Main Centre The main centre is in Nanaksar itself. Other centres have sprung in Dehra Dun, Kurukshetra, Gurdaspur, Faridkot and bases exist in Coventry (UK), and Vancouver, Canada.
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| | | | | re: Nanaksar Movement From the doctrines, history and the symbols, one can easily see that this sect is enshrined in Hindutva and has nothing to do with Sikhi. It is also an insult to Guru Nanak's teachings of living one's life as a householder.
All their rituals are immersed in Hindutva and they have nothing to do with Sikhi.
Nishaan Sahib is a Lighthouse that invites people for spiritual and physical solace. That is why it is hung so tall that all, irrespective of their hue,creed and faith can find a Gurdwara where they can find peace,serenity and love.
Not having Nishan Sahib shows that Nanaksar wants to remain a cult on its own and is only interested in raking money under the auspice of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, our only Guru, which is a shame. They also do not want to come under the management of SGPC which is another proof of its non-Sikh values.
So, how can it can be called a Gurdwara without a Nishan Sahib?
Talking about celibacy in this sect, there were some sexual scandals in BC Canada involving some Sants from the Nanaksar cult. One of them was with a lady who had a breast cancer and the Sant conned her into giving her land and house to the cult in return for the cure. Obviously, this charlatan knew what was happening and the lady passed away due to the cancer. Her family sued the cult and the judgement went against the cult. The family got the property back. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=30180
There were other sexual scandals too.
Soul_jyot ji and others who live in BC, Canada can shed more light to it and I request them to do so and expose this anti Sikh cult to all Sikhs. These kinds of cults are dangerous and are doing nothing but trying to destroy Sikhi by inventing their own rules, and anti Sikhi rituals. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=30180
Celibacy is a slap on their parents' faces and also on our Gurus'. How would they be here otherwise?
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| | | | | re: Nanaksar Movement Quote:
Originally Posted by Tejwant Singh
Soul_jyot ji and others who live in BC, Canada can shed more light to it and I request them to do so and expose this anti Sikh cult to all Sikhs. | Tejwant ji
There are various Nanaskar gurdwaras/temples in California, New York, and UK. Prominent among Canadian Nanaskar places of worship are Toronto, Winnipeg, Richmond, and Quebec, and in addition the Vancouver area.
I am posting this information, and also plan to post more about Nanaskar and also information about the origins of AKJ in the near future, so that I and others knowing as little as I do and are curious can develop a baseline regarding what members of the Nanaskar movement themselves say they believe. I really knew very little. | | The following members appreciate Narayanjot Kaur Ji for the above message. | | 
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| | | | | re: Nanaksar Movement Narayanjot ji,
Guru Fateh.
This is a great a endeavour on your part. All cults that use Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, our only Guru as an instrument to rake money rather than the Guru bestowed to us by our Dasam Pita and invent their own rituals which contradict Sikhi should be exposed and I thank you for that. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=30180
Let's urge our readers for their input if they have any knowledge or are either in favour or against these cults.
Thanks for all your efforts.
Regards
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| | | | | re: Nanaksar Movement No probs, Tejwant ji. It will take me a while because the information is hard to mine from the net. There is very little. Very little research done as well. | 
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| | | | | Re: Nanaksar Movement Brothers and Sisters, I request you to please read this before using such harsh words for Nanaksar. You may be insulting a true saint out of ignorance.
First of all the question of celibacy, Baba Nand Singh ji did not marry but he never asked his followers to abstain from a family life. Its the followers who have started this practice in the name of holy Baba Nand Singh Ji and its their choice. The famous hazoori raagi of Baba Nand Singh Ji, Sant Sujan Singh Ji, was a married person. So will you get a lot of examples like this. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=30180
Second is the question of worshipping Guru Nanak as divine. I'll quote three quotes here which shall answer your question:
"Guru Gobind dou khade, kaake laagu paaye, balihaari Guru aapna Gobind liyo milaaye" Bhagat Kabir
"Eh Bidh karat tapaseya bhaeyo, Dwae te ek roop hwae gaeyo" Bachittar Natak Dasam Granth, Guru Gobind Singh Ji
roughly translated: My meditation to the primal lord reached its zenith and I became ONE WITH THE LORD
"Gur Nanak Nanak Har Soee" Guru Nanak is the true guru, Nanak is the lord himself: Ang 864 Sri Guru Granth Sahib
Just read the last tukk, it cannot be more clear than this. GurSikho if you believe in Guru Granth Sahib Jee, than you should believe in this. Guru Nanak Dev Ji never said he's the lord, but then that was his humility, he also said "Nanak neech kahe veechar", he called himself neech, haramkhor in the baani, but was he?? This is the glory and beauty of my sachhe pathshah Guru Nanak, he never claimed to be anything. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=30180
Lastly about the babas of Nanaksar, then saadh sangat I can point out hundreds of cases in which head granthee sahibaan have commited so many sinful acts, but does that mean that we stop going to the Gurudwara. No, because our Guru is sampuran, his servants are humans and are prone to errors, but our guru is complete so why not just look at the guru. Similarly please read the life of Baba Nand Singh ji, you'll realize how great a saint he is. You will argue he did not see Guru Nanak. Why is it so hard to believe? Baba Ji had the darshan of guru nanak dev ji from guru granth sahib, it was his bhavna. If dhanna bhagat cud see god in a stone then this is Guru Granth Sahib jee we're talking about, the jyot of all 10 paatshahiyan. Baba ji used to say "May my tongue burn if I call it a Book, Watch from my eyes its Guru Nanak sitting there".
At the time of babaji there was no Gurudwara in kaleran Nanaksar, the place of origin of this movement, It was a kuchha place, because Baba ji used to say when my body isn't permanant y should I have a permanant structure built, this is the reason there is no nishaan sahib because Baba ji never built a gurudwara, you cannot offer money at nanaksar, only fruits, milk and cooked food is offered at the gurudwara. If someone is taking money, he's going against the maryada.
If you still have doubts about Nanaksar, please ask me. I'll be happy to clear them. Once again kindly read about Baba Nand Singh ji first.
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| | | | | Re: Nanaksar Movement I have had darshan from Sant Babaji Gurdev Singh maybe once a year for some years now.
In my opinion he is a truly pious and Saintly soul. Everytime i see him - I see his amazing Brilliant white Aura around him. Sometimes its so bright it hurts my eyes to look at him. I also checked in my meditations and I had confirmation that this is indeed so- he is a Saint a very Evolved Being very connected with God. Their movement too is pure. The Spiritual energy around the Gurudwara's are also very powerful.Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=30180
I have also been privelaged to be blessed by his spiritual energy.
How does one feel this energy?
Its Spiritual - CHI or QI energy which one imparts with a blessing to another.
As you meditate deeper and deeper one can feel and see these energies around. All creation has these Vibrations energies. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=30180 The Nanaksar - They do a good job in helping their sangat to evolve spiritually higher and they also protect their devotees with Grace.
Meditate deeply and see what answer you recieve. In Meditation we hear the Voice of God! as we still our thoughts to allow God to talk to us. In every Apple barrel there are always rotten Apples, thus in many organisations we find rotten people who have given into their KAAM, KRODH, LOBH, MOH, HANKAR, and let these vices take over. Our Saints and Sages have warned us time and time again to be careful of these sins. When we given into these sins we let outside influences, negative energies from other Dimensions to attach to us. While we think we are in charge - in fact the Negative energies around us are controlling us.
The Viel between the dimensions around us is very fragile.
This is one reason our Babaji's and Saints say be careful be Pure.
I have seen many people who act with much Anger and jealousy etc, and they always invariably have some negative energy attachment which is controlling them.
Making them act even more negative. Around us are many dimensions (In our Sacred Sukhmani Sahib Astpadi 10 Babaji talks of many dimensions In these dimensions are many elemental and spirit creatures). 10 ਕਈ ਕੋਟਿ ਭੂਤ ਪ੍ਰੇਤ ਸੂਕਰ ਮ੍ਰਿਗਾਚ ॥ Ka▫ī kot bẖūṯ pareṯ sūkar marigācẖ. Many millions are the evil nature-spirits, ghosts, pigs and tigers. ਕਈ ਕੋਟਿ ਪਾਤਾਲ ਕੇ ਵਾਸੀ ॥ Ka▫ī kot pāṯāl ke vāsī. Millions upon millions are the dwellers of the under-worlds.
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| | | | | Re: Nanaksar Movement When Guru NANAK JI SAHIB - GURU Gobind Singh ji has given FREE and UNINTERRUPTED access to the "PRIME MINISTER" AKAL PURAKH !! APEX SOURCE of all JOYS.........via the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji......some people keep on stopping just at the "Gate" and admiring the Security Guard/Chaunkidaar and seeing auras around his face....Now I know why there are so many DROPOUTS from SCHOOLS....many of these are just too lazy to GRADUATE..especially since the Grdauation Process requires one to OFFER the HEAD on the Plam...admiring auras on chaunkidaars faces is much much easier !! Ha ha. | | The following members appreciate Gyani Jarnail Singh Ji for the above message. | | 
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| | | | | Re: Nanaksar Movement Quote:
Originally Posted by amarjit singh bamrah I have had darshan from Sant Babaji Gurdev Singh maybe once a year for some years now.
In my opinion he is a truly pious and Saintly soul. Everytime i see him - I see his amazing Brilliant white Aura around him. Sometimes its so bright it hurts my eyes to look at him. | Veer amarjit singh bamrah ji hallucinations and dreams are a reflection of extreme love/attachment with a subject. They only reflect the level of attachment and do not prove the qualities of the "attachment". That is a separate inquiry.
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| | | | | Re: Nanaksar Movement Paji
Satnaam Waheguru
I m sorry I fail to understand what you have written Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=30180
Perhaps you can eloborate and write it clearer | 
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