Discussion On Naamdhari Sikhs

Sikh Namdhari · #46 (**permalink**) 09-Apr-2007, 14:04 PM

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Originally Posted by aad0002

Dear Sikh Namdhari ji

Do you take the hukamnama every day?

If you do you will know that the hukam always ends with a plea to Nanaak. Not to "Guru" Nanaak. Nanaak knows.

Respectfully

Respected Aad002
The appearance of the Name of Guru Nanak Devji is NOT a plea. It is written by Guruji Himself refering to Himself. When His successors wrote 'Nanak' they wrote it because they considered themselves to be His Jyot. It is a message to us that They were no different to 'Guru' Nanak Devji.

It is traditional to sign off a composition ending the last line with the name of the author. Just as Kabirji ends all of His Sabads with 'Kabir'. Naamdevji ends His with 'Nama' or 'Namae'. Even today a lot of poets who write poetry will end their poems by addressing themselves in the last stanza.

Sikh Namdhari · #47 (**permalink**) 09-Apr-2007, 14:46 PM

Surinder Kaur Bhenji, and Sachchasodaji

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Respected Veer Naamdhari ji,

endless thanks to you for clearing everybody's doubts completely.

everybody know now that you are a missionary sent by whosoever to denounce Sikhi.

this thread worked for the best of all, thanks to drkhalsa ji, he made a good effort by starting this discussion.

so far i haven't found a single line where you accepted Sikhs as Sikhs.
you claim only Naamdhari(which is a sect created in 1857) is Sikhi
all i am reading in your posts- 'sikhs are doing everything wrong'.
you plainly say- human guru is the only right concept.
you totally ignore when questioned about this concept.

DOESN'T THIS MAKE YOU A TRUE SOLID MISSIONARY TRYING TO PROVE OTHERS WRONG.
so that you can make everybody think like naamdharis.
naamdharis, who already had declared themselves a seperate religion a long time back.
just to let you know there are NO CONTRADICTIONS WITHIN GURBANI
Contradictions are created by all those people who had been trying to prove us wrong.
this never worked before and never will bro naamdhari.
and the way you guys are trying this guru in human body concept- if we start believing this concept coming out of all those mouths(claiming themselves to be the real guru's)-we will have at least 500 gurus in India, 50 gurus in England, 100 gurusin USA, 70 gurus in Canada and 150 altogether from all the other countries.

WE ARE CONTENT WITH WHAT WE HAVE, WE DON'T NEED THIS JUNGLE OF GURUS.

bro naamdhari you remind me of jehovah's witnesses, who don't stop coming to our door even after thousands of their visits have gone to a total waste

OUR GURU IS FOREVER AND WITH US FOREVER

a piece of advise for naamdhari bro-

you are making khalsa even more strong
your are giving a very bad advertisement of Naamdharies
i think everybody on this forum know by now what your real purpose is- TIME PASS

Is this the limit of your understanding, people? When all else fails, resort to personal attack? I keep telling you why I am writing on here. I have not been 'sent' by anyone. Any more than you guys, who have started this debate have been 'sent'!. (OR HAVE YOU?)
So if you still can't see beyond your limited vision, and continue to ignore that chapter of history and Gurbani which has enabled you to remain Sikhs, then that is your loss. May you have success in your lives, and may Satguru give you vision to refrain from slander. I no longer wish to remain amongst fools.

Harjas Kaur Khalsa · #48 (**permalink**) 09-Apr-2007, 16:17 PM

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Bhainji Surinder Kaur Ji wrote, "Respected Veer Naamdhari ji,

endless thanks to you for clearing everybody's doubts completely.

everybody know now that you are a missionary sent by whosoever to denounce Sikhi..."

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Naamdhari Missionary wrote: "So if you still can't see beyond your limited vision (belief in orthodox mainstream Sikhism),

and continue to ignore that chapter of history and Gurbani which has enabled you to remain Sikhs(Naamdhari distortions of Gurbani and "suppressed" history of 150 year old Guru Gobind Singh and secret transmission of Gurgaddi to somebody named Balak Singh 200 years AFTER Gurgaddi to ShabadGuru Ji Maharaaj.),

then that is your loss (I am so not sad).

May you have success in your lives, and may Satguru (Jagjit Singh Naamdhari: His guru is being forced endlessly to be our Guru Ji like a missionary despite thousand rejections)

give you vision to refrain from slander (Slander is something untrue. You are proving repeatedly the truth.)

I no longer wish to remain amongst fools."

Dear Naamdhari Missionary,

You lost your Sikh audience when you acknowledged Naamdhari version of Sikhi is a sect of sanatan Hindu dharam. Please stop trying to convert Sikhs. The cow is already so dead. Please stop beating it.

Narayanjot Kaur · #49 (**permalink**) 09-Apr-2007, 20:03 PM

To Sikh Namdhari, and all Namdhari!

nwnk Aaugux jyqVy qyqy glI jMjIr
jy gux hoin q ktIAin sy BweI sy vIr
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sects-groups-cults/15187-discussion-on-naamdhari-sikhs.html
AgY gey n mMnIAin mwir kFhu vypIr

Feel Satgur within you. That is my most fervent wish.

simpy · #50 (**permalink**) 10-Apr-2007, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Sikh Namdhari

So if you still can't see beyond your limited vision, and continue to ignore that chapter of history and Gurbani which has enabled you to remain Sikhs, then that is your loss. May you have success in your lives, and may Satguru give you vision to refrain from slander. I no longer wish to remain amongst fools.

Respected Veer Naamdhari Ji,

we fools are also the creation of the Same One who created you. don't worry about us. Guru's grace/God's grace is equal to all. May He provide you with the access to the 'power of tolerance for others', so you are able to accept others as they are.

forgive me please

rosethorne · #51 (**permalink**) 10-Apr-2007, 10:59 AM

Dear Khalsa ji, I want to say that Singhs are fool surely because they have given the purest of themselves when anybody need them. Our Gurus Martydom, our Gursikhs Martydom are there because singhs are fool. Naamdhari ji saying it by meaning why to become a shaheed if there are very good bunglows and Cars are there to enjoy. Naamdhaari's guru Jagjeet Singhji is going on the path of OSHO not on Guru Nanak's Path. That is the real difference thats why we ignore Naamdharis.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=15187
naamdharis are claiming as Guru Gobind Singhji Maharaj Himself given Guru Gadhi to some Balak Singh, Then pls clarify this why not they came together with Khalsa Panth, They Can't because they daree to do cause they know Singhs are close to AKAL and they know the facts. Actually Naamdharis Can't become Guru Granth Sahib's Gursikhs because they are taking shelter of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj ji for their Guru's Extravagent life. Guru Granth Saheb Ji is unquestionably and certainly Our Everlasting Guru.

Archived_member11 · #52 (**permalink**) 13-Feb-2011, 13:55 PM

Just read this REALLY OLD thread and once again the Namdhari intellectually DESTROYED everyone. Hilarious. I'm not a Namdhari but I respect them and this thread made me respect at least one of them even more. That was a mind slaughter. No games,no tricks. He just simply laid out answers and had everyone scrambling and nervously holding tight to their notions of truth, afraid,cold and pathetic yet they didn't even know it. Great internet forum. SPN has some beauty on it and the unorthodox surely will shine the brightest. Can't wait to dig deeper.

spnadmin · #53 (**permalink**) 13-Feb-2011, 19:20 PM

JyotiSingh ji

After reading your reactions I did give some thought to them and felt the need to reply. In order to take the comments of Sikh Namdhari seriously two things have to be considered.

1) is he really a Namdhari Sikh? Some forum members thought not. Rather that he was/is a wind-up artist. Some of the things he has said elsewhere are not typical of Namdhari Sikhs.
2) Namdhari Sikhs accept a human guru, contrary to the instructions of Guru Gobind Singh that the Guru Granth is our final and everlasting guru. Namdharis are free to believe what they want, however, for Sikh Namdhari to take aim over and over again suggests that he was here to wind people up and not to have a thoughtful discussion.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=15187
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=15187

We now have included in our terms of service that one may not undermine the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. The change to TOS came about because of these sorts of debates where the most fundamental beliefs of Sikhism are challenged.

Archived_member11 · #54 (**permalink**) 14-Feb-2011, 01:37 AM

Re-writing this....I think he was a Namdhari posting on a site dedicated to 'orthodox' Sikhism.Alternate opinions are not welcome here or anywhere because belief is inflexible. I personally have doubt that Guru Gobind Singh made the Guru Manyo Granth comment. Though I'm not a Namdhari yet there has been no instance when anyone has ever given me real evidence that he said those words so I can identify with the possible Naamdhari because he and other Namdharis have something to back their claim. This isn't the place to get into it but I still think that at least in this thread nobody had any defense. They were attached to beliefs and that can be dangerous and people use those beliefs to kill others and in this case it's the mainstream doing the killing not the ones who are questioning them.