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04-Mar-2012, 07:34 AM
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Sure Parma ji,
We can open a thread to all elephant references in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. There are quite a bit.
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04-Mar-2012, 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by BhagatSingh  Ambarsaria ji,
Bhai Bachittar Singh story is only an anecdote. Mast hathis existed before Bhai Bachhittar Singh. | Bhagat Singh ji it seems you like to take both sides of the argument by yourself seriously. You mention Bachittar Singh and when I mention and also mention "billions of MAST Hathi", you claim these too. Hard to figure out what you stand for? Your message is incorrect in your banner!
I disagree with you as previously explained. Your translation is a quote of a translation by Dr. Sant Singh Khalsa and hence I cannot debate because it is nothing that you did yourself. If Dr. Sant Siingh Khalsa was here I would debate him.
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04-Mar-2012, 09:02 AM
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What are you going on about?
And it seems you have not even read my posts. Read them carefully before you respond. |
04-Mar-2012, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by BhagatSingh What are you going on about?
And it seems you have not even read my posts. Read them carefully before you respond. | Bhagat Singh ji your "seeming" has no control over my responses. I share what I feel as I feel. We all have different time spans and times needed to comprehend and we need to respect that. I see through your posts faster than a hot knife going through butter. 
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04-Mar-2012, 10:37 AM
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a MASTH is a biological hormone produced in a MALE ELEPHANT ...and its SEASONAL... Musth Bull elephants annually cycle between a state of heightened aggressiveness, called musth, and non-musth. A musth elephant is primed to mate, and fights other bull elephants, attacks other animals, and may destroy inanimate objects in its way. Musth bulls produce a distinctive low-frequency vocalization, the musth rumble, have thick secretions from their temporal glands (the duct from the temporal gland opens between the eye and the ear), and continuously dribble urine. Testosterone levels are at a peak in musth males and probably regulate this extreme form of reproductive behavior. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sanatan-sikhism/38149-post-different-forum-tat-khalsa-sanatan.html
Legendary "rogue" elephants were probably musth bulls, redirecting their aggression at random objects, including villages and the people in the villages.
Young bulls do not go into musth, and may be inhibited from doing so by older males. Asian elephant males start their musth cycles by the time they are 20, but African elephants do not reach this stage of maturity until they are 25 or so years old.
Musth has implications for maintenance of captive populations of elephants in conservation programs. Musth males are unmanageable and extremely hazardous to elephant handlers.
Musth is an interesting reproductive strategy. Presumably, males cannot maintain themselves in this physiological state for extended periods of time. In a sense, it might be a handicap, as only well-fed, healthy males may be able to physiologically support the energetic demands of being musth. When more than one bull is in musth, fights, with risk of serious injury, result. Bulls may adopt a strategy of avoiding fights by coming into musth out of synchrony with stronger or more powerful bulls, but female ability to conceive is highly seasonal, so an elephant whose musth is poorly timed may sire few offspring. Bulls which exhibit off-season musth are displaying a type of satellite strategy, in which their mating efforts are peripheral to the main mating competition. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38149
JUST GOOGLE MUSTH/MASTH for more info.
IN GURBANI..the Elephant is mostly an example of a KAAM OBSESSED creature...and MUSTH is exactly THAT. GRAMMAR...SPELLINGS..and GURBANI "vocabulary" knowledge is vital....as well as deep understanding of PUNJABI language and words...superficial understanding/shallow fishing in deep waters is unproductive...  | | The following members appreciate Gyani Jarnail Singh Ji for the above message. | |
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Originally Posted by Gyani Jarnail Singh a MASTH is a biological hormone produced in a MALE ELEPHANT ...and its SEASONAL... Musth Bull elephants annually cycle between a state of heightened aggressiveness, called musth, and non-musth. | Gyani Jarnail Singh ji thanks for your post.
The description sends shivers up my spine as Hathi/Elephant in such stage are actually much better at organized annihilation of anything in their way whereas things in "intoxicated" stage can be tripped by a baby and generally only make a fool of self.
So Bhagat Singh ji's banner message is a dis-service to what Guru Nanak Dev ji's say in Gurbani. I recognize it originated from someone else's translation so may be a minor mis-step.
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04-Mar-2012, 12:02 PM
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The meaning of the word MAST is always a STATE of INTOXICATION.
There can be several causes for creation of this STATE. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38149Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38149
What Giyani ji is mentioning is only one of the cause which is related speific to elephant.
What Gurbanee referes to MAST is the STATE of INTOXICATION created thru NAAMu
In Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji there is a Sabad at pp351 related to this STATe.
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04-Mar-2012, 12:05 PM
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Here is a complete Sabadas Page 351Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38149
ਆਸਾ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ॥ ਕਰਮ ਕਰਤੂਤਿ ਬੇਲਿ ਬਿਸਥਾਰੀ ਰਾਮ ਨਾਮੁ ਫਲੁ ਹੂਆ ॥ ਤਿਸੁ ਰੂਪੁ ਨ ਰੇਖ ਅਨਾਹਦੁ ਵਾਜੈ ਸਬਦੁ ਨਿਰੰਜਨਿ ਕੀਆ ॥੧॥ ਕਰੇ ਵਖਿਆਣੁ ਜਾਣੈ ਜੇ ਕੋਈ ॥ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਪੀਵੈ ਸੋਈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ ਜਿਨ੍ਹ੍ਹ ਪੀਆ ਸੇ ਮਸਤ ਭਏ ਹੈ ਤੂਟੇ ਬੰਧਨ ਫਾਹੇ ॥ ਜੋਤੀ ਜੋਤਿ ਸਮਾਣੀ ਭੀਤਰਿ ਤਾ ਛੋਡੇ ਮਾਇਆ ਕੇ ਲਾਹੇ ॥੨॥ ਸਰਬ ਜੋਤਿ ਰੂਪੁ ਤੇਰਾ ਦੇਖਿਆ ਸਗਲ ਭਵਨ ਤੇਰੀ ਮਾਇਆ ॥ ਰਾਰੈ ਰੂਪਿ ਨਿਰਾਲਮੁ ਬੈਠਾ ਨਦਰਿ ਕਰੇ ਵਿਚਿ ਛਾਇਆ ॥੩॥ ਬੀਣਾ ਸਬਦੁ ਵਜਾਵੈ ਜੋਗੀ ਦਰਸਨਿ ਰੂਪਿ ਅਪਾਰਾ ॥ ਸਬਦਿ ਅਨਾਹਦਿ ਸੋ ਸਹੁ ਰਾਤਾ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਕਹੈ ਵਿਚਾਰਾ ॥੪॥੮॥ {ਪੰਨਾ 351}Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38149 Prakash.s.Bagga | 
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