Sakhis - Miracles Or ??

WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH.

In the Sikh "historical tradition" there are what we call SAKHIS - Janam Sakhis in the case of Guru nanak ji Sahib....and just general "sakhis" in the case of other Guru Sahibs.

The word SAKHI means to "bear wittness"..as such "sakhis" of our Gurus are meant to bear wittness to their greatness, principles and august personalities.

The Sakhis that we find in the Janam sakhi Pothis can be divided into roughly seven types.

In the First Group come those sakhis that attempt to show that Guru Ji was "not properly understood" by the people of the time..his family, his father, village people, ...all failed to notice how great a personality Guru ji really were. Guru Ji Himself states in Raag maru...Koi Aakheh Bhootna..koi kahaeh betala..koi akheh aadmi..Nanak vichara. Some call me mad, others call me "out of tune"..others refer to me as ordinary man and yet others want to pity my state..
The main person who failed to "notice" Guru Ji was His father..Mehta Kalu Ji...who tried his best to put Guru Ji to good use..take the cows to pasture, milk them, do farming work,be a buisnees man trader,...to him Guru Ji was a useless teenager who wouldnt stick to a proper wordly job..like all other teenagers

Guru Ji tells us.of his experiences in this field....in Sorath Mah 1..Maan hali kirsaani karnee..saram pani tan khet

Thus a lot of "sakhis" of this period fall into this grouping..Majhaan chaarnian, sacha sauda, modi khana. etc etc calling the Vaid to check on Guru Ji ( if he is mentally unstable/and why he rufuses to work like any normal human being)
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The Second Group of sakhis deal with some sort of Karamaat - miracle. Modern Scholars and academics are reluctant to beleive in these as they cannot come to terms with such "unscientific" stories.... the greening of the field destroyed by wanderign cows that guru ji failed to keep in check due to having gone to "sleep"..and the King Cobra giving Him shade, the Shade of the tree that failed to Move in tandem with the Sun, disappearance into the Vein River for 3 days, sweet fruits from Bitter fruit trees, etc etc .

The Third group of sakhis deal with thsoe people that Guru Ji put on the Right Path..like Sajjan thuggh the robber cum murderer, Kauda Rakash etc etc

The Fourth Group of Sakhis are the Dramatic ones..wherby Guru Ji used "modern Drama" to attract and keep the attention of vast crowds..throwing water in the wrong direction at Hardwaar, cooking meat in Kukshaetar, giving Duni Chand a Needle to take into the next world..etc etc

The Fifith group of sakhis deal with the DIALOGUES Guru Ji had with the Top Religious leaders of the day..the Sidhs and Yogis (Sidh Ghost), Muslim Peers at mecca, etc etc

The Sixth Group of sakhis deal with the LOVE - that many had for Guru Ji..Love of His sister Bebe Nanki Ji, Bhageerath Ji, Shivnabh etc etc
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The Seventh Group of sakhis deal with the LOVE Guru Ji had for the poor and the downtrodden..bhai lalo ji, Bhumia chor etc etc.

In my next post i will deal with the Sakhis in Group Two..because these seem to be MIRACLES..and Miracles karamaat is ANTI-GURMAT and intereference in Waheguru's HUKM Nature. As such these are categorically REJECTED by all modern scholars as unbeleivable...But is that ALL there is to these Sakhis or is there something deeper..

Jarnail Singh

 
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We hear with our ears but we listen with our minds.
Hearing the sound of a mantra is one thing - listening to it is another !

In this short note i will discuss the follwoing FOUR SAKHIS found in the Janam Sakhis
1. Guru nanak ji went to sleep under a tree....but the tree's shade didnt move with the Sun's journey across the sky.
2. A second time Guru Ji was sleeping..and the Sun began to shine on His face..and a King Cobra came and shaded Guru Ji's face.
3. Guru Ji slept and his cows destroyed someone's khet...but wehn Guru Ji went to see..the Khet was normal.
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4. Guru Ji transformed a master criminal and murderer sajjan thuggh into a model law abiding citizen.
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Firstly I wish to make it clear that I beleive that these so called "incidents" happened exactly as described. Such stories are also common to other mahapurakh's lives such as Muhammed Ji, Jesus etc. These sakhis portray the greatness of WAHEGURU..and the Greatness of the Mahapurakh/Prophet/Guru.

Lets take the sakhis from a SIKH Perpesctive. I beleive the sakhis contain the same POINTERS that GURBANI has. The only difference is perhaps that GURBANI is for the more discerning readers..while the simple sakhis are for teh simple minded folk...but the lessons behind both GURBANI and the SAKHIS are the SAME. Perhaps we have made the mistake of treating all the sakhis as mere worldly stories....all the words as of this world commonly used by all.

Example..in GURBANI..Guru nanak Ji says: Bhanda Dhoi beas dhoop devoh tau dhudeh kao jaiuh.
But here no one will say that Guru Ji is talking about the Bhandeh Dhudh Kitchen utensils and milk etc and giving us simple everyday advise about washing our kitchen utensils properly. THAT would be MUNDANE ADVISE more suited to a hygeine/cookery class rather than a Spiritual Class of GURBANI. So here everyone takes the Meanings of Bhanda as Mann, dhoop is spituality and dhuudh is the Naam of God..

Agains..Ham Ghar sajaan aiyeah..sacheh mel milayae..
Here Guru Ji is certianly NOT talking about the everyday visitor to our house...ordinary welcome sir aao jee jee aiyan nu.
Here Ghar is our Heart, the Sajaan is WAHEGURU..and the Meeting mel is Spiritual UNION

We have to GO BENEATH the SKIN of these so called Karamati Miracle sakhis..to get at the actual MEANINGS and LESSONS. As children we have heard the Aeosp's Fables...the Fox with Sour Graps...the Race between the Hare and the tortoise. As children we found them highly ENTERTAINING..and amusing..BUT when we GREW UP...we dont treat them as "entertaining" but as LESSONS in LIFE. These same "fables" now show us the way in life...Every Human is at one time or another the "fox" and will cry out "sour grapes"...each Human is that "crow" who listened to the sweet nothings of the sly fox and lost his piece of meat...each of us at one time or another have experienced the agony of the Dog that lost his bone to the one in the Water below...or "lost" the race to a tortoise while beleiving oneself to be a hare. Have we NOT ??

to be continued....

Jarnail Singh Gyani

First Sakhi - Sleeping under the tree whose SHADE is PERMANENT.
Sakhi given in Nanak Paraksh Adhiyaeh 12.

To me what this sakhi is trying to tell us is that the SATGURU is mahaan - great..and He is forever and permanently under the SHADE of Waheguru's Hand. The Satguru is sent by Waheguru to spread HIS Message and thus Waheguru is always by his side. Guru GobindSingh Ji also tells us the same thing when He writes...
mY Awpnw suq quih invwjw..... .pQclY qb jgq mY jb qum kro shwie
Gurbani tells us that The "TREE" is WAHEGURU..and its "Branches" are thsi World...
In Basant mah 1 Guru nanak Ji declares.. Karam ped sakha haree dharam full fall gyan
pat prapat Chhav Ghanee chuuka man abhimaan
Again Guru Angad Ji declares in basant Mh 2..Mera prabh maulia sad basant...
Guru Amardass Ji declares in basant mh 3..maiya moh sabad jalaiyeh man tan haria satgur bhaiyeh
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saflio birakh hr ky dwaar sachee bani namy pyaar
Then Guru arjun Ji in basant Mh 5..also declares the same thingbirkh jamio hai paarjaat fool lageh phall ratan bhat

In the Favourite Raag of the Punjabi Peoples, Guru Arjun Ji states so simply..
TU ped sakh teri fulii
tu suukham hoa asthuuli

Thus we are sure now that the ONLY TREE whose shade is from the beginning, now and Forever - WAHEGURU.
Guru nanak ji was sent to this Earth by WAHEGURU...and He kept His Divine Hand on Guru Ji's Head all the time.

Now we proceed to some other qualities of a TREE. Its shade is always COOL and gives PEACE of MIND. Since WAHEGURU is such a TREE..and the GURU is UNDER this cool shade....thus it naturally follows that those who "follow" the GURU will also be called to sit under this cool shady tree....The GURU is COOL..and He spreads thsi COOLNESS through His Divine GURBANI..

HEAT..under the burning sun..is like the JEALOUSY and ANGER in our Mann...we burn..and curse..and swear..and suffer due to our failures, our kaam krodh hankaar etc..

ALL these can be driven away IF we seek the Cool shade of Waheguru's tree where His GURU is calling us..

Since Guru Ji is under this huge tall tree...he has no fear of any rain storms tornadoes..upsets...the GURU came to thsi world to tell us about this HUGE TREE of WAHEGURU...to bring us under its shade...

What does Gurbani call this tree...it calls it.Paarjaat, kalap, padam, maulsree....all sweet smelling perfumes, treasures beyond our wildst dreams..and all these are ours IF we seek the shade of thsi tree..

And Since the TRUE GURU is sittign under the TRUE TREE..whose shade never fades away or disappears...the TREE and the GURU are ONE..joined together as one....thus the True GURU is that TREE, He is parbraham, He obeys the Parbaraham to the Letter...see how truly GREAT Parbraham is...

This is WHAT GURBANI tells us about this "magic Tree"..and perhaps this is what was the true intention of the storyteller who wrote thsi sakhi...somehow the "simpler aspects" of the "magic shade"..have reached us..leaving the true message buried deep inside.

THIS is why I always use GURBANI as the TOUCHSTONE to "test" any sakhi..and according to the Litmus test of Gurbani this sakhi passes with flying colours...
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To be continued....Next Sakhi..the King Cobra gives shade to Guru nanak ji


Jarnail Singh Gyani

Dear friends..
On to Sakhi No. 2.... Guru nanak ji's sleeping Face is shaded by the Hood of a King Cobra..

In World mythological writngs..the "snake" is closely associated with MUSIC, WEALTH and BEAUTY.
Guru nanak ji is "sleeping"..and the "Snake" stands guard over him, shading his sleeping face from the heat of the sun...

To me it seems as if the "snake" has FOUND.....the WEALTH OF TREASURE that is GURU NANAK....it has found the BEAUTY that is Guru nanak ji, ..and the Snake has found the Invaluable treasure house of MUSIC - Raag and Ilahi bani,,,GURU NANAK JI.
The Snake is held "fast" by the sheer BEAUTY of Guru nanak Ji's Face, The "Sounds" of Music coming from this Serene face of Guru nanak ji....and the valuable Treasure that is Guru nanak Ji to thsi World is before it...so IT stands GUARD !!
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The "Snake" is highly POISNOUS...but it is always found hanging around Shiv Ji's neck..Shibji has sucked its posion KALKUUT..and kept it in his divine throat....GURU NANAK JI also came to this World to SUCK all its POISON - the posion of Depravity that holds humanity prisoner....this is borne wittness by the snake shading Guru ji's face.

The Snake is also the "bed" of VISHNU..and Vishnu is called the PAALANHAAR sustainer of this world. SO it is in Guru nanak Jis case..the Snake has not only served as Guru Ji's "bed"..it also shades His face..just like it does on Vishnu...hence GURU NANAK JI is the PAALANHAAR..the Sustainer of this world...
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Is this how the snake sakhi was meant to be interpreted originally...and only the "simple" magical fable got left behind..while the deep philosophy hidden deep in it got lost along the way..

This "getting lost" of the deeper meanings has a lot to do with the illiterate sants and babas that have been preaching "gurmatt" without a deep understanding of GURBANI. The deeper meanings of Gurbani were lost to them..and thus they in turn propogated the "simple magic" lure of the sakhis to their equally simple minded village folks...and they continue to do to this day..interpresing their diwans with Boloh ji Satnammmmmmmmmmmm sri waheguruuuuuuuuuuuuu..and passing their time, without any indepth discusiion or vichaar of Gurbani.

Next we will discuss the Philosphy behind the Cows destroying the khet sakhi...

to be continued..

Jarnail Singh gyani

Gurfateh
Very Good and inspiring osts by Gyani Sahib.
One can do docterate on exlanntions you have rovided.

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May Akal bless you and you kee on doing such great Work.Akal Bless.

Special Note: your email address didnt work so I am copying and pasting here I know you will be able to read it here thanks.

Satsriakal Giani Jarnail Singh Ji
I have written many posts to revoke what the peolle have said about Baba Vadbhag Singh Ji on tapoban but because the moderators are fanantics and they want to allow speech that reflects their own man-made maryada I have not been allowed to have my say but I will tell you by email because you have an email address. Firstly your malaysia story is of no consequence to me I will tell you why here in the uk we have a similar gurdwara from this dera and they too have made people ill so no-one goes to that gurdwara however the dera in india is true and my own mother who was ill for 6 years of her life has got better and that too with gurus kirpa from this dera that you know nothing about she has had a total recovery!! and is more into sikhi than ever before and has never returned to the dera either. And for your information the akj is also a man made organisation which has self-appointed authority unto itself and we will not be dictated to by a revivalist movement stay up all night and debate that!
Secondly sikhism has always been a liberal faith it is a faith where a person has an inimate relationship with their guru no-one other than the guru can give guidance for the soul so you will fail at every couse because their is nothing from my guru which suggests this dera is manmat its just your personl opinion and I dont care for it, now other than what you personally think of as manmat then do tell me what our guru says of Baba Ji and the dera if you can find nothing to validate your claims from sikh sources then I would advise you to stop giving hukum on issues you know NOTHING about.
Finally, I would like to say the tapoban site is not as free as one might think I have read alot of stuff on the site some of which is quite disgusting but when somoeone provides hard evidence that they are wrong they will never air it on the website because they fear no-one will be able to give a befitting come back , ask and see if they have the courage to admit they supress debate. it is shocking but its ok because they themselves with time will be the cause of disunity in the panth I dont need to say anything time will tell. I am not an akj hater but what annoys me is how they attack sikhs who have done service for the panth such as naamdharis and then have the audacity to call them manmat when they themselves have been the cause of so much controversy. I have read your articles on miracles and sad to say these too are your personal opinions which question the validity of documents written 100 years after the demise of the gurus but your opinion was written 500 years after the gurus but somehow you think your right do you not see the hypocrisy in that, just because the scholars say its true doesnt mean were all gonna jump in the same bandwagon. There are sikhs today who are good peole but this organisation has smeared their reputation because of blatant orthodoxy NOT because they are gursikhs themselves.
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Please dont be offended by my words the hypocrisy infuriates me,
ISDhillon

Gurfateh

dear Bro,

Gyani Sahib are not from AKJ,Perhaps like das he also eats meat.

and coming to miracles then once das questioned the interpretation of Bani by Bhai Sahib Randheer Singh Ji das was answered by one brother of AKJ not to do with bani but with miracle attached to Bhai Sahib Bhai Randheer Singh Ji that in jail,he use to get food miraculously.


So AKJ 's Bhai Rama Singh Ji talk of vision of Tenth Master when he was compelled to sleep on a same with perhaps jewish lady due to compulsion of work.

Then this vision protected him(Bhai Rama Singh Ji) from committing any sin.This is anyway inspiring to das.

thencoming to Baba Vadhbhag Singh Ji matters.Well Taksalis,Nirmalas,Rara Sahib Taksal aomng most of the traditional sikhs are aware of Ghost busting.

Yes there are many Ghost(Kaye Kot Bhoot Preet Sukar Mrigach).

And das agree that Baba Vadhbhag Singh Dera is expert.

Das would like to say that had das being incapable of showing miralces das could have said that miracles are tabbo.

But yes if we say that i or he did it then it is tabbo.Miracles are there in Panth.(Temple was turned by singin glory of God by Sant Namdev Ji.Paryer is such that,Had Namdev Ji died and did salvation world would not have known the glory of his God,This Patiya(Miracle) made world know the glory of his God and that is in Sri Guru Granth sahib Ji and with mention of Patiya or miracle).

But Ghost busting may not be a miracle,Scince has not reached there but later on we can think that electro magnatic fields emited by body of dead or alive person may interfere with mental frame work of other person.And removal of its influnece is ghost busting.

So Mahapurush like that at Dera Baba Wadbhag Singh Ji might be using thier own enrgy or generating the enrgy level in the affected persons body to remove the negitive enrgy.

This is just hypothications.till sceince does not understadn it ,it is supernatural and miraculous but once scince reachers then it is normal.

Reason for Gurus strong opposition to miralce was the hindu mential;ity of Indians.Say if some one shows miracle people started to worship him/her and forget the source of all miracle ie God almighty.

So Gyani Sahib ji are anti Miracles and its attribution to humans like das perhaps.

Panth does agrees to Miracle but does not propogate them at all.

yuo will see many adds by Pandits and Maulavis or fake Sikhs for spritual cure.But Deras like Baba Wadbhag Singh ji odes not carries out such marketing.

Das knows a family who were Radhswamis and after meeting this Dera in himachal came close to Gurmat.

Lastly Das is repeating something.

There is fashion in some section of our Panth to copy Martin Luthor and call themselves as protestant Sikhs,Like Kala Afghana Sahib Ji.

Well Martin Luther did go by last book(angeel or new Testment) by remving influence of earlier two books(Taurait and Jabur or old Testment).While our Kala Afghana Sahib Ji are negating Two latter books and that by one early book.

As a result when ever some protestant is got possesed he goes back to Orthodox or Catholic or even non Christian.

Das has seen that Sikh infected by Ghost going to Hindu Tantriks or Graves of Muslims Alims.Reason is that present Granthis do not know how to tackle such situation.

It is better that they leran that from soruces das mentioned above and latter they will be of some help.

Das is here only dealing wirh ghist bursting matter.And some people are more senstive to evil spirits due to thier configuration of sprit and body but all is in hand of God.

Satsriakal Vijaydeep Singh Ji

I think what has originally annoyed me was that I had puposeley added the video of this dera to both the tapoban and this website and I got response like tying balloons, and cloth to nishan sahib is manmat but what I think is the greatest manmat is orthodoxy, we have to ask ourselves what causes us to be orthodox is it cos we are lead to believe by those who brought us up that being strict is in someway the true essence of religion?, I think when someone is spiritually enlightened they are not affected by a baloon on the nishaan sahib or if someone is eating meat or even if their is a sikh dancing, these things are not important but ifeel their are some organisations out there which have prioritised these stupid little happenings as being the most important art of religion. I do not mean any offence to the Giani Jarnail Singh Ji its just he responded to me on the tapoban site but the moderators never allowed me to respond and that made me angry.
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Yes I agree with alot of what you have said.

Thanks

ISDhillon

Vijaydeep look what I found on tapoban is the same giani?:

"after looking at the video longer..

1. They have a Samadh of the Baba..totally agaisnt Rehat maryada and GURBANI which says NO praying at smadahs marrhis massanis..
2. They have objects tied to nishan Sahib for fulfillment of wishes..Totally agaisnt Gurbani and Gurmatt - plus insult to Nishan of Guru ji.
3 They have totally MONAS doing Kachi bani...
4. They have so called amritdharee singhs wearing female clothes and dancing wildly..what a parody of SINGHS
5 They have a manmatt of Panja on panjiri parshaad....no such thing ever happens - total lie to mislead the snagat
6 The Producers of the Video are all NON-SIKHS...and the vidfeo makes out as IF this Dera is greater than Darbar sahib Amrtisar
7. The make beleive pictures paintings of wadbhag singh painted to look exactly like GURU ARJUN Ji's paintings..
8 Guru Ji totally REJECTED blood relations..Sodhi has no suignificance at all
9 They have people swinging hair Nangeh Sir inside the Gurdwara...agaisn Manmatt and total disregard to Sanctity of Guru Ji
10 The "interviews" and "possession" are all obviously staged fakes
11. One of the babas (Ram singh) has his dharra TIED up..and looks like a clerk rather than holy man
12 and the thing about Ladies and Men bathing together to "clean the mann's mail" is fraud...in Darbar sahib and other Sikh gurdwaras there are separate enclosures for ladies..mann dee mall is not cleansed by bathing together ( MK Gandhi used to sleep naked with his daughters/associates to PROVE his mann was clean..and he could control his sex drive )
Lots of other Manmatt and anti Gurmatt...stay away from this place.

I saw a Discovery Documentary about the witches of Jhaar Khand....veirdly SIMILAR to what is going on in this DERA...same hair waving, wild screams, ONLY Difference is that in the Documentary it hapopens in HINDU MANDIR with Mata Ji Sheran wali and hindu priests..here the people are look alike Sikhs..but same bahjans and kachi bani kavitas and geets etc..
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Jarnail Singh"

I dont know if this is the same giani person but if it is can we talk on sikhphilosophy.net instead of tapoban they wont let me rebut you their but it will be my pleasure anytime so when you pluck up the courage let me know.

If its not you then I am sorry for getting the wrong person.
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Thanks,

Isdhillon