Shariah & implications for Sikhs?

Ishna · #28 (**permalink**) 12-Jul-2012, 17:53 PM

It's still comparing acts of sacrifice for the community with the death of a man for no real cause.
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Rory · #29 (**permalink**) 13-Jul-2012, 02:54 AM

I agree with Gyani-ji on this, in that a Sikh ideally should not decide if he lies or not based on the position of a persecutor.. I know this sounds rich coming from a very new Sikh like me, but I don't think it should make a difference if it is an emperor or some madman with a vendetta for Sikhs. I don't think lying is permissible in either case.

As for Harry-ji who said essentially "what's the use of telling the truth if you just wind up dead" (sorry if I'm para-phrasing here, but this I believe is the jist of what you said) - have we then learnt nothing from every Sikh martyr ever..?
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/questions-and-answers/38762-shariah-and-implications-for-sikhs.html

I'm sorry if I sound a little arrogant, I know I am only new and so my views are probably really naive. It's just how I feel.

Rory · #30 (**permalink**) 13-Jul-2012, 02:54 AM

Also Auzerji, thanks for clearing up the definition of taqayya.
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Gyani Jarnail Singh · #31 (**permalink**) 13-Jul-2012, 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Ishna

And the Kaurs, or not really?

There is no Discrimination against Kaurs..they get the exact SAME Pahul, the exact same kakaars etc...and Kaurs like Mai Bhago showed the exact same mettle on the battlefield as Singhs and many others as Bhai Ghaniyah Ji too.

Ishna · #32 (**permalink**) 13-Jul-2012, 05:53 AM

And yet most of the Kaurs you see wearing full bana are 3HO!

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #33 (**permalink**) 13-Jul-2012, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Ishna

And yet most of the Kaurs you see wearing full bana are 3HO!

ha Ha RIGHT..just as the Least number of Christians are in Jerusalem ??? Ideally Jerusalem should be 100% Christian..NO ?

Its said that God threw two pieces of garbage out..the Sikhs picked out ALCOHOL..and the MUSLIMS picked TOBACCO....ALTHOUGH BOTH RELIGIONS actually PROHIBIT BOTH "garbage"...Sikhs drink like fish and Muslims smoke like chimneys... SO the 3HO Sikhs wear FULL BANNA..and accompany that Good Point with all sorts of Yogas, astrology, numerology nonsense which is NOT Gurmatt at all...while "other Sikhs dont wear banna but dont yoga astral travel etc..ha ha..NONE is 100% perfect a s per Gurmatt in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji,.

harry haller · #34 (**permalink**) 13-Jul-2012, 14:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Gyani Jarnail Singh

I respectfully and completely DISAGREE Harry Ji.
That would be a gross insult to even the YOUNGEST SIKH Martyrs - Zorawar Singh fateh Singh Ji. They were indeed "told"..convert NOW..live life, enjoy life..and Fight another day...they even refused to "bow inadvertantly" by passing through a small HOLE..LEGS FIRST...as the HOLE was an invention by a crafty HINDU DIWAN of the Suba who hatched this plan to Force the two sahibzadahs to BOW to the Suba..that when they enter the hole they would BOW their heads and we can all Clap and say..THEY HAVE BOWED..they have BOWED..PERIOD. They have ACCEPTED the Suba as the Master.Period.
Bhai mani Singh ji was also given this option. Convert publicly..then go off and be a Sikh again in Private. Bhai Mani Singh ji replied..Can I be ever TRUSTED by anyone ever...If YOU can prove that i did convert even for a second..even temporarily..even as a FAKE MUSLIM ?? I would arther be a DEAD SIKH than a Fake Muslim and ALIVE.
Bhagat Singh cut his hair...Udham Singh cut his hair..to evade the British Govt...many Sikhs did the same thing in 1984 in Delhi etc to "survive..and Fight " another day...ALL made thei CHOICES based on their OWN PRIORITIES..not the Priority of GURMATT or Sikh History. The Sikhs in Saragharree could have survived IF they SURRENDERED ??..After all they were BRITISH soldiers..BUT NO..they were SIKHS FIRST.

Today INDIA honours bahgat and udham more than Kartar Singh sarabha who was just 17 when he was HANGED for Treason against the British..( fighting for Indian Independence)...Bhagat MURDERED a INNOCENT BRITISH POLICE inspector..and threw a Bomb in Punjab Assembly...Udham murdered the British perpertrator of Jallinhwlaah bagh massacre...while KS Sarabha just FOUGHT for Indian independence with IDEAS..just like Maharaj Singh, Ram Singh namdharee etc who began the Movement of Boycott British Goods and use Indian made products..an idea that Gandhi later "misappropriated". Today sikhs who fight with IDEAS..and those who actually blew up people like Beant CM are BOTH cast in the SAME BASKET _TERRORIST worthy of HANGING.

A SIKH worth his salt should never compromise.period. A mad man that attacks your shop...is he any less MAD than Beanta CM..or Hitler ..Or Suba of Sirhind..or Emperor Jehangir..Emperor ShahJehan..Emperor Aurengzeb or the MOBS in Delhi streets Nov 1984..or the attackers in Bluestar ??? Its a Matter of PERCEPTION...a PRINCIPLE is a PRINCIPLE..when face to face with Babar in Emnabaad..or Aurengzeb in Chandni Chowk..or the 10,000 screaming Afghans outside the walls of Saragharree..or the Jalaad ready to SKIP/short cut his job/orders to cut JOINT BY JOINT who is REPRIMANDED by Bhai Mani Singh to "Follow your orders please and CUT my JOINTS one by one..or YOU are NOT doing your JOB and cheating your Master !! That harry ji is Matter of Principle.

Gyaniji

Excellent reply, and frankly, although I have stated my position, my internal litmus paper was never quite happy with it. I am used to using humour and buffoonery to diffuse situations, reading your reply makes me wonder whether I could save myself a lot of time by just reacting in Hukam, and allowing events to follow the natural order. If I am brutally honest, in the hairiest of situations there are a few moments of fear until control of the situation is regained, like the time a customer pulled a knife on me, in his eyes, I could see he had no reservations about using it, I wish I had been brave enough to rip my shirt open, and say something particularly fitting, but he would have probably laughed at my baboon like hairy belly.

Most bullies are cowards, the ones with brains will respect firmness and bravery, what worries me are the mentally unhinged, the ones you cannot reason with, the ones that given sight of a bare chest will stab you anyway and giggle manically.

Having given the matter some thought, and given the concept of Hukam, I have to concede your argument.

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #35 (**permalink**) 13-Jul-2012, 16:06 PM

harry Ji...we are actually on the exact same wavelength...108.55FMgingerteakaurgingerteakaurgin gerteakaur

itsmaneet · #36 (**permalink**) 13-Jul-2012, 19:29 PM

Shariah & implications for Sikhs?
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38762

What kinda quest is this...can somebody please elaborate?