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08-Jun-2012, 18:02 PM
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LUST is the disease...meant to be destroyed/curtailed as much as possible....Kaam is a biological necessity for reproduction. Just like too much food can lead to obesity..too much kaam can also be harmful..eat to Live..kaam to make babies...Live to eat obese..live to kaam makes one a lusty old man/woman very fast..leading to rapes, molestations, eve teasing etc which actually degrades the beautiful "kaam". Guru Ji didnt quite make the distinctions becasue thats common sense...krodh is anger..out of jealousy, enmity etc..but good "krodh" is necessary in war/battle/self defense...ditto for the other so called thieves..they all have a good side and a bad side..we are to avoid the bad side. Do share your immediate thoughts or reactions on this issue? We value your views! Login Now! or Sign Up Today! to share your views with us.. Gurfateh!
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ਕਬੀਰਾ ਜਹਾ ਗਿਆਨੁ ਤਹ ਧਰਮੁ ਹੈ ਜਹਾ ਝੂਠੁ ਤਹ ਪਾਪੁ ॥ ਜਹਾ ਲੋਭੁ ਤਹ ਕਾਲੁ ਹੈ ਜਹਾ ਖਿਮਾ ਤਹ ਆਪਿ ॥੧੫੫॥ {ਪੰਨਾ 1372}
Kabir says..Where Gyaan Knowledge is present..so is Dharma religion...in places where Jhooth-False/untruth resides..there resides Paap-distance form Him..Where LOBH- greed avarice resides its accompanied by Kaal DEATH of conscience.where there is abundance of Forgiveness, compassion..there resides HE HIMSELF. | | The following members appreciate Gyani Jarnail Singh Ji for the above message. | |
08-Jun-2012, 18:16 PM
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Kamala Ji..
What you quoted as GURU's words are NOT GURBANI. Such Trash is in the Bachitar natak also misnamed DG. Most Sikhs dont call it Gurbani for the obvious reason - your quote proves this point.
2. The proof of what i write is in the Hindu Religious texts...and I am "NOT PROUD" to quote such.
However I ma very very SURPRISED that you didnt bother to just GOOGLE....I ALWAYS GOOGLE...and one need not even have to be very "intelligent"...Just ask the simple way..like..:Google- Brahma and his Daughter...."..and LOL..out pops series of Pages with the correct INFORMATION...
Just this once I am giving it for your benefit ONLY ( i feel sick actually giving out such and NOT PROUD as you think..)
Google : Brahma and his daughter..
Links appear:
1. http://isearch.avg.com/pages/abt/bcnc/bcnc.aspx?q=brahma+goes+after+his+daughter&sap=nt& lang=en&mid=ae5d920a8a0e47d0bec6b1915f07c304-94abb4885c536c716c0c05f4d8d41be3851d0de4&cid={39f4 5454-24b3-46d8-ae24-bfc84a22335e}&v=11.1.0.7&ds=AVG&d=6%2F1%2F2012+6%3 A44%3A14+AM&pr=fr&snd=hp&tc=test7
2. http://truereligiondebate.wordpress....-daughter-and/Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/questions-and-answers/38612-sexual-intercourse-need-or-a-want.html
3. http://www.messagefrommasters.com/St...ter_Rohini.htm
4. http://www.sanatansociety.org/hindu_...ses/brahma.htm
5. 6. 7. http://www.strategypage.com/military...tartofcommentsReference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38612
READ and open your eyes...Most of the Hindu religious texts can be found Originally at various sites....and after that you will see WHY Many SIKHS are AGAINST the DG...because the DG is a COPYCAT version of those Hindu Texts..and says the exact same things... bringing the AUGUST GURU SAHIBS to that gutter level.
You may bring each of these articles in new THREADS in the religious discussion section of SPN for us to discuss as THIS THREAD is NOT the place for this. I ma sure many of US really want to hear your side...and your arguments with proofs from these texts... Thank you Ji.  | | The following members appreciate Gyani Jarnail Singh Ji for the above message. | |
08-Jun-2012, 19:13 PM
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Btw i DONT agree with everything being said and written on these Forums..my only brief is with the QUOTES FROM OFFICIAL HINDU TEXTS. Those are Real and exactly as found.
The Shiva story of the vagina marks on his body are referenced in Gurbani in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji...and MOST Nirmalas, Udais Sants and Brahmgyanis who do katha of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji will ALWAYS relate THESE STORIES..simply because they come form THAT "ORANGE" background and thus they DESTROY the real and original gurmatt of Guru nanak ji shaib as does the texts in DG. |
08-Jun-2012, 23:55 PM
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Alright I will make a new thread. | | The following member appreciates Kamala Ji for the above message. | |
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its need of any living species to survive and someone wants it because nature made us so,but nature also gave us quality of self control so that we do not addicted of it,and create happy society where sex is very small part of our life | | The following members appreciate sid Ji for the above message. | |
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I think that "holy" or rather completely spiritual sexuality can be summed up with one small phrase: "...Love consists not in feeling great things but in having great detachment [from oneself] and in suffering for the Beloved...All for you and nothing for me..." - Saint John of the Cross (1542 – 1591), Catholic mystic
If a lover has the attitude, " all for you and nothing for me" then sex is a holy act capable of fostering not only spiritual growth but even detachment from self; in truth it also becomes seva and can bring a person into union with God.
To achieve this selfless state of sacrificial love in one's sexual relationship, I would encourage some reading of one of my favourite books of the Bible - The Song of Songs/Song of Solomon.
It is a story of the love affair between two unmarried youngsters, probably in their mid-teens, living circa 900 BC in Ancient Israel. Contrary to the marriage rites of their time, which were arranged according to class and which were only about property rights and succession, the love between these two youngsters ascends to the sacramental level - it is a mutual, self-giving, committed relationship founded upon love alone between a nobleman's daughter and a shepherd boy. In this respect we have a true marriage so to speak, a union of two souls, a sacrament not just a ritual and property rights. The poem is told largely from the woman's perspective ie during the oral sex scenes it is the woman's who speaks of tasting the man's fruit (semen) and the woman who speaks of the man blowing upon her garden (vagina). This was revolutionary for the time. In the narrative they have to make love and kiss in secret, and the young girls brothers and other antagonists often intervene to keep the two lovers apart but they stick together through thick and thin. Note how she affectionately calls him her "king", and later on in the text the boy chides/mocks the real King Solomon for all his concubines and wealth. The girl has her own king in the Shepherd boy and he has his own wealth in the girl, with no need for thousands of concubines, gardens and riches. His girl, according to the text, has it all!
I love it. I suggest one to read it alone in translation rather than in the available Bible translations:
(But if you own a Bible then do just skip right back in your Old Testament to this book. The translation will still be good, even though a singular translation like the above naturally gives it more focus in expression and artistic quality)
"....Kiss me, make me drunk with your kisses!
Your sweet lovemaking
is better than wine
You are fragrant,
you are myrrh and aloes.
All the young women want you.
Take me by the hand, let us run together!
My lover, my king, has brought me into his chambers.
We will laugh, you and I, and count each kiss,
better than wine.
Every one of them wants you.
...
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38612
My brothers were angry with me,
they made me guard the vineyards,
I have not guarded my own (She has been sexually active)
My king lay down beside me
and my fragrance
wakened the night
All night My beloved is to me a cluster of myrrh
that lies between my breasts.
My beloved is to me a sheaf of
henna blossoms in the vineyards of Ein Gedi
...
And my beloved among the young men
is a branching apricot tree in the wood.
In that shade I have often lingered,
tasting the fruit
...
Now he has brought me to the house of wine,
and his flag over me is love.
Let me lie among vine blossoms,
in a bed of apricots!
I am in the fever of love.
His left hand beneath my head,
his right arm
holding me close.
Daughters of Jerusalem, swear to me
by the gazelles, by the deer in the field,
that you will never awaken love
until it is ripe.
...
Awake, north wind; O south wind, come,
breathe upon my garden,
let its spices stream out.
Let my lover come into his garden
and taste its delicious fruit.
I have come into my garden,
my sister, my bride,
I have gathered my myrrh and my spices,
I have eaten from the honeycomb,
I have drunk the milk and the wine.
Feast, friends, and drink
till you are drunk with love!
...
How wonderful you are, O Love,
how much sweeter
than all other pleasures!
That day you seemed to me a tall palm tree,
and your breasts
the clusters of its fruit.
I said in my heart,
Let me climb into that palm tree
and take hold of its branches
And oh, may your breasts be like clusters
of grapes on a vine, the scent
of your breath like apricots,
your mouth good wine-
That pleases my lover, rousing him
even from sleep.
I am my lover's,
he longs for me,
only for me.
Come, my beloved,
let us go out into the fields
and lie all night among the flowering henna.
...
There I will give you my love..."
- The Song of Songs, Bible (Ariel Bloch translation)
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11-Jun-2012, 05:52 AM
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| | | | | Re: Sexual Intercourse, Need or a Want?
I don't feel that it is either a Need or a Want.
It's only if you THINK about it, that you start this need or want questioning.
I don't ever think about it either, ...I just do it!!!!!! Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38612Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38612
A little like food, when you need it there is no point questioning is it a want or a need, you just do it and eat!!!!! | | The following members appreciate Luckysingh Ji for the above message. | |
13-Jun-2012, 13:57 PM
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I don't ever think about it either, ...I just do it!!!!!!
| Luckyji, I admire your style, I have attempted to embrace this concept, and have so far collected 2 black eyes, bruised and swollen groin, a stinging cheek and a broken nose, could you kindly tell me where I am going wrong | | The following members appreciate harry haller Ji for the above message. | |
13-Jun-2012, 18:10 PM
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Originally Posted by harry haller  Luckyji, I admire your style, I have attempted to embrace this concept, and have so far collected 2 black eyes, bruised and swollen groin, a stinging cheek and a broken nose, could you kindly tell me where I am going wrong | Is that all? Harry ji, If you're still intact (you know what I mean), 
I'd say you got off easy.  | | The following member appreciates Inderjeet Kaur Ji for the above message. | | 
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