Pubs, Clubs and Sikhs

Kamala · #10 (**permalink**) 03-Mar-2012, 13:21 PM

Well I dance to trance songs/techno at the clubs to popular pop songs haha. I mostly just sway around with the crowd but I never go if my friends don't come along with me (: I don't drink hah. I'm to scared to face the consequences after this life ends |o|.
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Luckysingh · #11 (**permalink**) 03-Mar-2012, 13:35 PM

Acid base, breaks, breakbeat,ambient techno,dark, jungle,ministry,acid trance,classic and dream trance, euro trance,neo and uplifting trance....there are many more..... Which do you prefer ?
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/questions-and-answers/38166-pubs-clubs-and-sikhs.html
Do certain ones help you 'trip' better ??

Kamala · #12 (**permalink**) 03-Mar-2012, 14:20 PM

Well I am Punjabi but I am in Canada and I don't know any Indian dances. Lol I don't trip since I'm always sober :P

Luckysingh · #13 (**permalink**) 03-Mar-2012, 14:38 PM

Sorry, I didn't mention Indian dances. I was giving a few examples of different trance/techno dance music that you mentioned.
Just wanted to clarify which sort in particular.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38166

Lot's of dancers can trip whilst sober, you don't need alcohol to trip!!

Randip Singh · #14 (**permalink**) 04-Mar-2012, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by justosh

waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh all,
Just wanted to know if a sikh and even a amritdhari sikh can go in to pubs and clubs.

I have spoken to a few people, and the same debate happens all the time;
-No you should not because Guru Ji would not allow it.
-but on the other hand, if you are not to drink and control your head i.e. kaam...... i donno.

that is literally how it goes

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i was thinking though, that Waheguru is omnipresent, so hence can a sikh or a amritdhari sikh go?

Thanks

In the UK the Pub is an integral part of the community. It is the social place, eating place, meeting place, business place and drinking place. I do not drink but do meet people there and do business there. I also occaisionally eat there and take my kids to the Wacky Warehouses there. In Punjabi circles the Pub is just seen as a drinking place.

Again clubs, many social events such as birthday, Christmas events are held there.

In short I have no problem with them.

Then again I wouldn't go to some sleezy pubs with alcoholics there or dirty strip clubs.

Luckysingh · #15 (**permalink**) 04-Mar-2012, 04:43 AM

Very good point Randip ji,
The pub culture as described is just in UK. Here in Canada it's much different.

The coffee shops like Tim Horton's, Starbucks etc are more of a social meeting place.
It's just a difference in cultures. The pubs in UK are much more family orientated, not here, unless its a steak/ ribs house with a bar. Even then the food/restaurant is 1st with an added bar, whereas in UK its the bar with food/restaurant added secondary.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38166

My post earlier for Justosh ji was referring to the UK scene and culture, which is quite different to here in Canada.

Inderjeet Kaur · #16 (**permalink**) 04-Mar-2012, 07:05 AM

Quote:

“Life is a banquet and most poor suckers are starving to death so live, live, LIVE!" Auntie Mame”
― Patrick Dennis

As Sikhs we are called on to live life to its fullest, to be happy and remain in chardi kala always.

Do clubs and pubs and the like help us do this? I have not been in a club since the 1980's and I remember it as crowded, very loud and full of tobacco smoke. I think most places no longer allow smoking; the smoke alone was enough to get me to turn around and walk out.

I think going to clubs and pubs is not forbidden, but what does it accomplish? Won't others seeing a visible Sikh in such places assume that s/he is there for the same reasons as most people are? How does this reflect on our community? For many reasons, we are not very popular in a lot of places and as much as I wish it were otherwise, I think we need to watch our public image.

Everything a visible Sikh does reflects on the whole community and our Shaheeds and our Guru Sahiban. Does going to such places honor them and us? Clearly, I think it's better to avoid those places, but I think, as I said, they are not forbidden.

As for dancing, I love dancing. I loved doing it when I was younger and I love watching it now. I'd say, just do it at an appropriate time and place keep it clean.

So partake of the banquet of life with great gusto and enjoy yourself - but do it in a way that reflects well on yourself and on the rest of us - and on our Gurus. Never forget or minimize who and what you are.

Ambarsaria · #17 (**permalink**) 04-Mar-2012, 09:19 AM

Bhain Inderjeet Kaur ji some comments.

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Originally Posted by Inderjeet Kaur

Do clubs and pubs and the like help us do this? I have not been in a club since the 1980's and I remember it as crowded, very loud and full of tobacco smoke. I think most places no longer allow smoking; the smoke alone was enough to get me to turn around and walk out.
Bhain ji I agree about the smoke part, good thing it is gone. I do slightly differ on the participation of Sikhs in places of worldly fun. An upstanding Sikh participating in the main while holding values is a great thing in such situations. The future of Sikhism is not organic growth but encouraging or at least showing others the things possible in Sikhism while still not renouncing a lot.

I think going to clubs and pubs is not forbidden, but what does it accomplish? Won't others seeing a visible Sikh in such places assume that s/he is there for the same reasons as most people are? How does this reflect on our community? For many reasons, we are not very popular in a lot of places and as much as I wish it were otherwise, I think we need to watch our public image.
Bain ji your statement is a classic one and all make when they grow old. Don't experiment while I did it, I found it of no to little value. This is reflective of the piousness in oneself wjile caring for others. However as we humans go (not just Sikhs), it usually falls on deaf ears just as it perhaps did for us way back. No harm saying though.

Everything a visible Sikh does reflects on the whole community and our Shaheeds and our Guru Sahiban. Does going to such places honor them and us? Clearly, I think it's better to avoid those places, but I think, as I said, they are not forbidden.
Bhain ji again hard to say it to be wrong. However we need to create or Sikhs to be strong by self that actions of others cannot be allowed to bring Sikhism into disrepute. If we did not do that then a young person will see this as hypocrisy. What is happening in Punjab? If this line were taken, there should have been hundreds if not thousands of threads here about Sikhs in appearance being corrupt, up and down. So a young person going out is rarely an issue while ignoring other things done bad to Sikhism is. Perhaps we can look at posts here at spn. There are known characters continuously and unashamedly engaged in mis-directing Sikhism. It seems very few are taking note. We need to be reasonable and transparent in such situations.

As for dancing, I love dancing. I loved doing it when I was younger and I love watching it now. I'd say, just do it at an appropriate time and place keep it clean.

I like dancing too. Where ever you are, if your heart starts to tap, your fingers start to tap, your feet start to tap, it is a place for dancing mundahug. There is virtually no emotional display purer than dancing as it is in such that your body becomes willing to expend energy without a purpose other than to show happiness and feeling good.

Sat Sri Akal and thanks for your post. peacesign

Inderjeet Kaur · #18 (**permalink**) 04-Mar-2012, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Ambarsaria

Bhain Inderjeet Kaur ji some comments.

Sat Sri Akal and thanks for your post. peacesign

, are you suggesting that I'm getting old? Ah, well, the alternative is getting dead and Satguru has not yet called me home. cheerleader

You quoted my whole post except for the very end, which I think bears repeating, so here it is:

"So partake of the banquet of life with great gusto and enjoy yourself - but do it in a way that reflects well on yourself and on the rest of us - and on our Gurus. Never forget or minimize who and what you are."

(I have heard that people who quote themselves may have other nasty habit. I do, I do, but that's not for discussion here.)