What are these parts of the Gurudwara Service?

Sat Sri Akal Ji
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Sorry, I don't know the proper term for a Sunday service at Gurdwara Sahib.
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There are some parts of the service, towards the end, which I'm unfamiliar with. Can you please tell me where they come from (from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji or other text) and if possible, point me to resources where I can read more (ie. the translation) please?

I don't know if the service is the same all over the world... if it makes a difference I think my Gurdwara is inspired by those in Malaysia.

Areas I don't know at the end of the service are:

1. Congregation sings something after Anand Sahib and before Ardaas.
2. Congregation sings something after Ardaas matha tek (bow) and before Bole So Nihal, Sat Sri Akal.
3. Granthi Ji sings something when unfolding the rumallas before taking Hukamnama.

Thank you for any assistance.

Gurfateh
Ishna

 
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1. THAT SHABAD...TUM THakur tum peh ARDASS is by Guru Arjun ji sahib and in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji as GURBANI and is the PREAMBLE to "ardass". What comes after that is NOT in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji...but from Chandi di vaar in dsm granth. You will NOTICE that Guru Arjun Ji joins US with THAKUR..the Creator in no uncertain or unambigious words..HE is THAKUR and HE is THE ONE addressed in ardass !!
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2. That is a DOHRA or few lines poem from a poet.....and quoted differently in different versions.. RAAJ KAREGA KHALSA.... The British banned this from Harmandar sahib and even after independence from them its still banned !! Thus you wont hear it in the ardass at harmandar sahib.

3. Different Granthis sing different "shabds/dohras"....thats just to PASS THE TIME...IMPRESS OTHERS with their repertoire of memorized shabads..and also mentally prepare themselves for the Hukmnamah...its usually SO KAHO TALL gur seveah...and is form the Bhatt Swaiyahs in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji...others just recite waheguru because thats all they "memorized" ha !! Its to set the mood because removing the rumallahs takes a few seconds/minutes even if there are many layers....and the Granthi has to "look" for the right shabad for the hukmanmah as per procedure....

Thank you so much Gyani ji for the wonderful information.
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Regarding number 3 - I'm pretty sure that shabad "SO KAHO TALL gur seveah" is the one our granthi ji recites because it always sounds the same and the sangat sings along (except me, but now no excuses!). It's one of my favourite parts of the service because I love the reverence of folding back the rumallas and waiting with anticipation for the hukamnama.

Also, just a side note, it was interesting this past Sunday, the hukamnama at my Gurdwara Sahib was one of the same shabads we were singing during the service!!!
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Thanks again for answering my question, Gyani ji.

Ishna

ishna ji....you will enjoy more and more...sangat is a wonderful place to be...glad to help...

Oohh, I found goodies.

1. Tu Thakur Tum Peh Ardas

Tu Thaakur Tum Peh Ardas ||
You are our Master; to You, I offer this humble prayer.


Jeeo Pind Sabh Tayree Raas ||
This body and soul are all Your Belonging.


Thum Maath Pithaa Ham Baarik Thaerae ||
You are our mother and father; and we are your children.


Tumaree Kirpaa Meh Sukh Ghanayrey ||
In Your Grace, we experience ultimate Peace!


Koe N Jaanay Tumraa Unt ||
No one knows Your infinite vastness.


Oochay Tey Oochaa Bhagavant ||
O Highest of the High, Most Generous God,


Sagal Samagree Tumaray Soothr Dhaaree ||
The whole creation is strung on Your thread.


Tum Tey Hoe So Aageyakaaree ||
That which has come from You is in Your will.


Tumaree Gath Mith Tum Hee Jaanee ||
You alone know Your Existence and Vastness.


Nanak Daas Sadhaa Kurbaanee ||8||4||
Nanak, Your slave, is forever surrendering to you. ||8||4||

Is from Sukhmani Sahib on Ang 268 of Sri Guru Granth Sahib: http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gur...=1&t=1&p=0&k=0

(above translation is from here: http://www.globalchants.com/sikh-ardas/ please don't hit me)


2. Dohra

Is more complicated. I've pinched the following from Sikhiwiki until I find a better source:

Before setting for heavenly abode, Sri Guru Gobind Singh, the tenth Guru, the founder of order of Khalsa brotherhood, conferred the Guruship to Sri Granth Sahib as a living Guru of Khalsa. He then sang his self-composed hymn:

: "Agya bhai Akal ki tabhi chalayo Panth Sabh Sikhan ko hukam hai Guru manyo Granth Guru Granth Ji manyo pargat Guran ki deh Jo Prabhu ko milbo chahe khoj shabad mein le Raj karega Khalsa aqi rahei na koe Khwar hoe sabh milange bache sharan jo hoe." Translation: "Under orders of the Immortal Being, the Panth was created. All the Sikhs are enjoined to accept the Granth as their Guru. Consider the Guru Granth as embodiment of the Gurus. Those who want to meet God, can find Him in its hymns. The pure shall rule, and impure will be no more, Those separated will unite and all the devotees shall be saved."

The first part of the Dohra is Guru Gobind Singh Ji's Pavitar Bachan (Holy Saying) recorded in BHAI PRAHLAAD SINGH's Rehitnama.

Agya Bhai Akal Ki Tabe Chalyo Panth
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As was ordained by the Timeless, thus was established the Panth.
Sabh Sikhan Ko Hukam Hai Guru Manyo Granth
To all Sikhs, let this be the order, recognize the Granth as your Guru. Guru Granth Ji Manyo Prakat Guran Ki Deh
The reverend Guru Granth is the visible body of the gurus
Jo Prabh Ko Milbo Chahe Khoj Sabad Mein Leh
Those that seek to meet with Vaaheguru, delve into the Shabad

The second part of the Dohra is Guru Gobind Singh Jee's Pavitar Bachan (Holy Saying) recorded in Bhai Nand Lal's Tankhahnama.

"The Sikh people shall remain free and sovereign, always, non-challenging this position. For, all shall realize, after bitter frustration, that there is no redemption except in the way of the life that the Khalsa upholds!"

The last part of Dohra is also recorded at the end of Bhai Nand Lal Singh's Rehitnama.

"Raj Karega Khalsa, Aki Rahe Na Koe. Khuar Hue Sabh Milenge, Bache Saran Jo Hoe"

3. Having trouble with this one, will post back later...

3. >> (Ang 1392)
ਸੁ ਕਹੁ ਟਲ ਗੁਰੁ ਸੇਵੀਐ ਅਹਿਨਿਸਿ ਸਹਜਿ ਸੁਭਾਇ ॥
ਦਰਸਨਿ ਪਰਸਿਐ ਗੁਰੂ ਕੈ ਜਨਮ ਮਰਣ ਦੁਖੁ ਜਾਇ ॥੧੦॥

Number 3 is NOT fixed...its up to each paathee to recite whatever (providing its GURBANI of course)......shortest is Waheguru..and longest can be a few couplets of different shabads...

I think the main idea is to impart importance to Hukamnama, like 'Be attentive when Guru speaks to you'. Still it is varying from place to place.

3. So Kaho Tal

Thank you Kanwaljit Ji.

Ang 1392

ਸੁ ਕਹੁ ਟਲ ਗੁਰੁ ਸੇਵੀਐ ਅਹਿਨਿਸਿ ਸਹਜਿ ਸੁਭਾਇ ॥
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सु कहु टल गुरु सेवीऐ अहिनिसि सहजि सुभाइ ॥
So kaho tal gur sevī▫ai ahinis sahj subẖā▫e.
So speaks TAL the poet: serve the Guru, day and night, with intuitive love and affection.
ਦਰਸਨਿ ਪਰਸਿਐ ਗੁਰੂ ਕੈ ਜਨਮ ਮਰਣ ਦੁਖੁ ਜਾਇ ॥੧੦॥
दरसनि परसिऐ गुरू कै जनम मरण दुखु जाइ ॥१०॥
Ḏarsan parsi▫ai gurū kai janam maraṇ ḏukẖ jā▫e. ||10||
Gazing upon the Blessed Vision of the Guru, the pains of death and rebirth are taken away. ||10||

I see now, as granthi ji folds back the rumallas the reference here is to 'Gazing upon the Blessed Vision of the Guru'.

I always thought that was more like, if by Guruji's kirpa you manage to see the world with the same vision (perspective) as the Guru, rather than by seeing the Guru (the book).

I will pay close attention next Sunday (not going this Sunday) to see if these two tuks are all Granthi Ji sings at the time.