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Many times a goat is slaughterd in Gurdwara permises in Hazur
Saheb and the head of the poor goat is carried in a bata
in side the main gurdwara and with the blood of the goat the
tilak is applied to the Shastrs of Sri Guru Gobind Singhji.

Is it correct as per Sikh Maryada? If yes then can we do in
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our Gurdwaras. Also if it is correct then why it is not done in
Harmandar Saheb. It must be stopped or it must be carried
out in all the Takhats and all Gurdwaras. This is a serious topic
and our Jathedars must give their rulings on it.



 
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Waheguruji ka Khalsa Waheguruji ki Fateh,
Many times a goat is slaughterd in Gurdwara permises in Hazur
Saheb and the head of the poor goat is carried in a bata
in side the main gurdwara and with the blood of the goat the
tilak is applied to the Shastrs of Sri Guru Gobind Singhji.

Is it correct as per Sikh Maryada? If yes then can we do in
our Gurdwaras. Also if it is correct then why it is not done in
Harmandar Saheb. It must be stopped or it must be carried
out in all the Takhats and all Gurdwaras. This is a serious topic
and our Jathedars must give their rulings on it.
At present Sikhism is divided in sects.Its better Sikhs should not interfere in the affairs of other Sikhs whom they disagree O/W we will have many ugly scenes at Gurdwara's
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Personally, I don't see how this ritual can fit in with gurmat. It is sacrificial meat which is forbidden as per SRM. It also incorporates worship of something other than Waheguru so again this does not fit in with Gurmat ideology.
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Waheguruji ka Khalsa Waheguruji ki Fateh,
Many times a goat is slaughterd in Gurdwara permises in Hazur
Saheb and the head of the poor goat is carried in a bata
in side the main gurdwara and with the blood of the goat the
tilak is applied to the Shastrs of Sri Guru Gobind Singhji.

Is it correct as per Sikh Maryada? If yes then can we do in
our Gurdwaras. Also if it is correct then why it is not done in
Harmandar Saheb. It must be stopped or it must be carried
out in all the Takhats and all Gurdwaras. This is a serious topic
and our Jathedars must give their rulings on it.
Sach Bol Ji..
WE SIKHS on an INDIVIDUAL CAPACITY at LOCAL LEVEL can take this up...Have you approached any of your local Gurdawaras for ACTION ??Why not get your local Gurdawara Coom or SANGAT pass a resolution and send to Jathedar Akal takhat ???? IF and when you visit Harmandar sahib or Akal takhat approach the management there to listen to your ideas...and pass the resolution to them....lets US ALL work POSITIVELY to get the SRM implemented at ALL Gurdawaras..
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I can recall that a foreign Sikh was thrashed by the local Sikhs of Nanded when he objected to the ritualistic activities going on at Abichalnagar Sahib last year. Sacrificial meat, tilak etc. find no validation in Sikh philosophy.......I wonder if the Jathedars and Sikh lawmakers are sleeping....Zzzzzzzzzzz
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I can recall that a foreign Sikh was thrashed by the local Sikhs of Nanded when he objected to the ritualistic activities going on at Abichalnagar Sahib last year. Sacrificial meat, tilak etc. find no validation in Sikh philosophy.......I wonder if the Jathedars and Sikh lawmakers are sleeping....Zzzzzzzzzzz
Unforunately THAT sort of LOUTISH behaviour ( mistakenly called Satikaar..Beadbi watch etc ) is the NORM,,,several such thrahsings/face colouring have happened in the Darbar sahib complex/Akal Takhat premsies . Abchalnagar Hazoor Sahib is distant....The most recent thrashing of a sikh by SGPC sewadaars happened just half a month ago...RIGHT beside the Harmandar Sarovar where they distribute Karrah Parshaad...Some time ago the Booksellers CSJS were thrashed and had their faces blackened in Darbar sahib for selling Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji to a muslim...
To naswer your question..I wonder if our Jathedaars sikh lawmakers are "sleeping"....NO ji..they are NOT SLEEPING..they are IN COMATOSE ICU Condition....ZOMBIES !!! They only work when their REMOTE CONTROL BUTTON is pressed by BADAL/Makkar etc.
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I can recall that a foreign Sikh was thrashed by the local Sikhs of Nanded when he objected to the ritualistic activities going on at Abichalnagar Sahib last year. Sacrificial meat, tilak etc. find no validation in Sikh philosophy.......I wonder if the Jathedars and Sikh lawmakers are sleeping....Zzzzzzzzzzz

I don't think Chatka is sacrificial meat ,it is just the way Sikhs preserved the their age old martial tradition

'This Chatka use to happen at Akal Takht, and only recently they [Shromani Gurdwara Parbandak Committee (S.G.P.C.)] stopped it. No, this is a warrior way of ours. If we are to wield a sword on the battlefield, how are we to judge with what power to wield it so we can decapitate our enemy or split opponent in half? To test that [fighting art], 'Shikar' and 'Chatka' are beloved warrior traditions. Only if we have that experience [of Chatka killing] can we learn Shastar Vidiya. Only then we will learn to wield a sword. That is why the great King [Akali Nihang Guru Gobind Singh] has written “Be initiated into the Khalsa go hunting and preserve Shastar Vidiya any way you can” [from Pracheen Panth Prakash]. If you wish to learn Shastar Vidiya then you must Chatka goats. This is our training method. Singhs have done Chatka from the very start, as it is our tradition. The Gurus told us this is the Kyshatriya way.'
(Singh Sahib Akali Nihang Baba Santa Singh, transcript of interview, 28th October 1999)

http://www.shastarvidiya.org/chatka9.jsp
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Kds Ji..In a Battle field situation..who catches the enemies legs..for the "nihung Warrior" while he gives the Chatka stroke to the neck ?? The poor Goat is held by his hind legs by one "Nihung warrior"....another has a string tied to the goats head which he pulls tight..and the third nihung warrior then wields the sword...wow..what shastra vidya is that ??? NO GURU SAHIB hunted like that ? This is CAPTIVE SLAUGHTER. PERIOD. At the very least let the goat run free and let the nihung warriors run after it..then maybe I will beleive the nihung warrior stuff..still only 10% becasue the Goat is not wild, its not allowed compelte freedom..its a captured tame animal...the nihung warriors are just BUTCHERS..plain and simple. The Muslim Kazis do the same thing to cows and buffaloes..their legs are tied up, one will catch the cows tail..another two or three will sit on the poor animal on the ground..then one more will slit its throat...BUT unlike our Nihung Warriors..these people dont say its Training for war..or shastar vidya..they call it Hallal.
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