Is it Possible for a Mona to Achieve Samadhi?

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh,


Is it possible for a Mona to get to the stage of samadhi and open dusam dwar through just the merits of seva and simeran


Dear Khalsa Sadh Sangat,

I have for many years been asking myself this question. Before I proceed it is important I outline my character before your blessed and glorious selves. I am not a 'Sikh' in the term this contemporary moneh proclaim themselves, drinking, smoking and fornicating and suggesting that being sikh only requires to be so through right of birth, how foolhardly!. However, I would proclaim my allegiance is with his Royal Highness, His excellency Emperor Guru Granth Sahib JI, Regal Sovereign of all realms, I will only bow my head before his greatness.
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I have tried to live as a sikh but the path is very hard, However, I feel through sewa and simeran perhaps I may get somewhere, Now Khalsa ji can you please answer me this can a mona gain the ability to perform samadhi and perhaps enjoy the niceness of dasam dwar..... I eagerly await your response Khalsa Ji

 
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Calgacus ji

Waheguru ji ka Khalsa! Waheguru ji ki Fateh!

I hope my remarks are helpful. Your questions about samadhi, dasam dwar, simran and seva are about spirituality more than they are about religion. Simran and seva are part of Sikh spirituality, but one does not have to be a Sikh to perform either one.

Religion and spirituality overlap. But, religion and spirituality are not exactly the same. Religions of the world all have examples of yogis, swamis, ammas, gurus, boddhisatvas, saints, mystics, or other spiritually conscious people, whose lives serve as models for spirituality. Religions have unique teachings that point to how to be spiritually conscious. But it is also possible to be highly evolved and very conscious spiritually, yet belong to no religion. One can even follow a spiritual path that is open to all religions. Whether connected to a religion or not, spiritual growth is usually accompanied by a teacher of some kind who can provide guidance and help a novice grow. I know Jewish people who study with Tibetan Buddhist monks. I know Hindus who are members of the Kabir panth. There are mystics within Islam who are guides to non Muslims.
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One word of caution, perhaps two. A teacher is important because a teacher can sort out what is truly a matter of spiritual growth and development, and what is self-delusion coming from the ego. But to find a teacher who is genuine, authentic and spiritually developed is not a simple matter of looking one up on the Internet. There are many con artists making money and doing worse in the name of religion. So, in choosing a teacher, be careful.

Calgacus ji I am just curious what are your expectations out of the following two that you have mentioned in your post,

• stage of Samadhi
• open dusam dwar

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When I put in “samadhi dasam dwar” in a Google search I end up mostly in the “Naam Simran” sites and “sants”, etc., websites other than this SPN thread.

If you achieve these two what happens after or once found or reached you will be always able to retain or be able to re-create.

I am just not sure on the following,

• How far are you from your desired goals?
• Are these the only goals of importance to you right now?
• What are your plans beyond these goals?

Sorry about the questions but I have learnt that sometimes the questions lead to possible answers even though these may seem unrelated.

There is a thread on “Naam” and meditation in the following which may be of value,

http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-y...rstanding.html

Sat Sri Akal.

YES YES YES YES YES !!!!!!.

Here's a mona who definitely achieved samadhi, he could NOT have done what he did without meditation.
This reminds me of the martyrdom of Guru Arjan Dev ji (and the Sikhs after him) who went through tortures that were much worse. In a way, this video allows us get a glimpse of our own history. (Especially for those who say Guru Arjan cried or something during torture... he probably didn't)
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Not suitable for younger audiences
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Bhagat Singh ji so sad to see the video. We can all see how the person pouring the kerosene made sure he did not get caught in the heat ( as well as all the police) by making a long fuel line on the ground to set the monk on fire. One does not make comments about the body burnt as such.

However Sikhism is quite clear about self-immolation or its glorification. That did not stop some of our leaders to ignore this either. The following from Wiki,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fateh_S...Sikh_leader%29

An excerpt,

" After a few unsatisfactory meetings with Nehru, on 16 August 1965, Fateh Singh threatened another fast-undo-death and self-immolation, if a Punjabi Suba was not created....."

Just anecdotal, we could see Sri Harmandir Sahib area from our house. So we were on our roof looking for smoke coming from Akal Takhat Sahib where self-immolation places were built in all four corners on the roof of Sri Akal Takhat Sahib complex. Even as kids growing up we knew it as a sham. Suddenly orange juice used to appear just in time. Just like Master Tara Singh ji used to disappear in the name of Police arrest in cozy Dharamsala in Himachal Pradesh while the poor people from villages boarded police buses with small "gathrian" (small packets wrapped in cloth) to see them through the arrests.

In my mind self immolation by the monks (in the form of passivity and renunciation) is another image (almost mirror) of the training of young muslim kids to wear suicide belts. By the way not that I necessarily trust or want to claim first hand knowledge, one of our friends from Pakistan told me that the suicide kids are available for a monetary consideration in Pakistan from their handlers who brainwash them. This world looks like a stage with great stage handlers. If a religion teaches a monk to do and others to help him do self-immolation I do not see value for such a religion whether they teach you samadhi, dasam dwar, kundalini, etc.

Mera Sat Gur (Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji and the ten Gurus) is fine for me whether I can live or follow to be 100% by his guidance. Any small percentage I achieve is a gift in my life.


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I do not like all symbology but it is pretty reasonably assembled with reasonable decency and equity.

Sat Sri Akal.

PS: More immolations reported at Yahoo with Tunisian crisis and I doubt these are meditation/samadhi derived,
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110117/...ts_immolations

Ambarsaria ji

Great video and the voice was haunting. I was able with some searching on the YouTube site to find out it is Juman Khan from Pakistan. His songs, including of Bulleh Shah can be found at APNA a punjabi heritage site, at http://www.apnaorg.com/music/juman/

Somewhat disappointing: on reading the comments at the video site the message is completely lost on some. Thanks.

Ambarsaria Ji, my point was not about self-immolation (or samadhi-derived self-immolation??). If you missed it, I was pointing out how samadhi can reduce one's suffering to a great extent, that one can bear immolation or hot stoves or boiling water with unflinching courage. Making reference to the fact that many people do not believe that Sikh Gurus could go through torture without suffering, or they believe that they would have to be Gods in order to do it.

Oh and not to mention the fact that a mona was able to attain samadhi.

But since you brought up self-immolation, I will take this opportunity to learn about why you reject self-immolation as a way of peaceful protest.
BTW I read this bit already, my thoughts below.
Comparing a conscious decision to brainwashing, a peaceful vs an utterly destructive method. Seriously? I think you can do better. Do give it a try.

Cheers


PS:
Wiki

Bhagat Singh ji I am very unsure how to read some of your comments. Still I will submit my comments and I have taken your comments as appropriate to address in this post.

"I was pointing out how samadhi can reduce one's suffering to a great extent"

His suffering was so reduced that he has to submit himself to burning! AmI missing something.

"why you reject self-immolation as a way of peaceful protest."

Where is the peaceful part. Somebody putting kerosene on somebody and lighting a match.

"conscious decision to brainwashing, a peaceful vs an utterly destructive method"

So I am to believe that put somebody alive on fire is not destruction. I wish he had exploded and took some of the others around him with him and that would have put a stop to it in terms of people exploiting people,

_ Somebody knew about it including his handlers (some type of so called spiritual teacher)
- Somebody picked the spot, bought the kerosene and lighter
- Somebody in police hierarchy authorized police to not charge the arsonist who poured kerosen and then lit the fire
- Police almost appear to be an accessory when they keep people back as may be someone could have saved the person from murder

I am to believe it is Samadhi/meditation or something when the guy does not show much emotions or reaction. A mentally sedated person will react the same way if you prop them to sit.

Sorry I don't see anything good in burning people or seeing people being burned alive no matter what the circumstances.

Sant - Sipahi's created by Guru Gobind Singh ji are spiritual and also fighters who have the courage to stand up and address injustice to them and others.



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Sat Sri Akal.