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Old 24-Jan-2011, 01:58 AM
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Back to The discussion of Samadhi.
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Admin note: So now let's stay focused on these points. I have paraphrased:

1. Guru Granth Sahib ji is one and indivisible.
2. Quoting a tuk here or there dos not help to build a sustained explanation.
3. It is important to review the stanza past the “rahao,” and even more importantly read related shabads, rather than state fragmented deductions based on a phrase or a tuk.
4. If you are quoting Professor Sahib Singh ji, one also needs to read the interpretations made by people who tried to explain how our Gurus worked so hard to dispose of stagnant philosophies when our Gurus were establishing Sikhism.

These have been recurring principles for vichaar here at SPN. We can do this.
Yes Ambarsaria Ji and Spnadmin ji, I am aware of this, and I agree with this. I will do my best to follow it.
With regards to 2, my reasons for not presenting whole shabads is because it makes it difficult for me to read posts with long shabads (long posts in general); it's paralyzing. The same happens when I am commenting. It's easier on my eyes to read and have bits of the shabad that I think represent what the shabad is saying (rather the whole shabad). So I simply present the shabad with the correct links so that it can be easily accessed by those who wish to see where I am getting my quotes from.

For a sustained explanantion, those who are reading should be looking up the shabad anyways. Then they may reply if they think that the shabad has a different message. The shabad in my replies is only one-click away, no one can be that lazy, especially if they are here to learn.


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It makes me very sad to read some of your posts as I consider you to be very intelligent and articulate person.
Ambarsari ji, when you visit a school, do you get sad to see students learning there?
As intelligent or articulate I may sound or may be, there is still a lot I need to learn. SPN is one of those places, where I can do that. That's the only reason I post here. I could of course, learn on my own, but it's good to get some feedback on what I have learned. Often I get to see a different perspective on a particular shabad. Which in the "naam..." thread it was provided by Spnadmin ji and Jasleen ji. I found that interpretation contained less inconsistencies than my own, so I now go with their interpretation... so and so forth with all aspects of Sikhism. I have essentially learned something through this process or went back and relearned, everytime.

Anyways, if you feel that you know more about a certain topic then you are invited to post relevant portions of Sikh scriptures. This is the only way to learn/teach about Sikhism.

PS You asked me to post something in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji which criticized Samadhi. I honestly do not know of any such shabad. If you do, please share it with us.




 
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Re: Is It Possible for a Mona to Achieve Samadhi?

Bhaghat Singh ji

This is not a matter of personal taste. Individual members don't decide.
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With regards to 2, my reasons for not presenting whole shabads is because it makes it difficult for me to read posts with long shabads (long posts in general); it's paralyzing. The same happens when I am commenting. It's easier on my eyes to read and have bits of the shabad that I think represent what the shabad is saying (rather the whole shabad). So I simply present the shabad with the correct links so that it can be easily accessed by those who wish to see where I am getting my quotes from. .
Posting an entire shabad has been a forum rule for a long time. We all have to develop the powers of concentration to focus on an entire shabad and work our way through its meaning. Stamina is the grace of the long distance runner.
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Ok... is this rule up for discussion?
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Bhagat Singh ji just three comments with your wording from post on page 4,
"Ambarsaria ji, when you visit a school, do you get sad to see students learning there?"
Of course I get sad if I see a bright mind getting to waste. My comment was in that regard as I saw egoistic approach and a bull headed approach showing up. If fellow learners don't flag others weaknesses, who would? So it is meant in the most positive way though it may appear negative

There is a saying, "When whirlwinds of youth blow, you are blinded for a while".
As intelligent or articulate I may sound or may be, there is still a lot I need to learn. SPN is one of those places, where I can do that. That's the only reason I post here.
Wonderful articulation. I do it for the same reason.
It's easier on my eyes to read and have bits of the shabad that I think represent what the shabad is saying (rather the whole shabad).
Now here is the issue as flagged by spnadmin ji and others. What makes anyone think that bits of a shabad represent the shabad and not the whole shabad? Let alone the shabad itself being linked to rest of Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji.

First and foremost guidance from Professor Sahib Singh ji if nothing else is learnt and I paraphrase, " Don't read Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji with a motive to support a point of view or looking for something. Rather study it and find something. He goes into great detail about Shabad structures to help interpret and understand including reference to the shabad before Rahao and after as one of many nuggets for the layman."
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/questions-and-answers/34162-is-it-possible-mona-achieve-samadhi.html
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=34162

Don't sell yourself short as in general your posts have good information for me to learn aside from some differences.

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In many regards this discussion is not fruitful. When we focus on the end result then it distracts from the journey. When we go into something focussed on the end result it can be counterproductive as if that outcome isn't achieved then it leads to disappointment and depression. An element of ego can also be introduced which stops us making the grade. All is governed by Waheguru's will so we can never know how things will work out. We can try our hardest to achieve what we desire but whether this will happen is determined by only Hukam whether we are black or white, Sikh or not, male or female etc

I don't believe can we achieve samadhi is the best question. I think a more appropriate question is how can I live to be the best person I can be.
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Is it possible for a Mona to get to the stage of samadhi and open dusam dwar through just the merits of seva and simeran

No
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