I'm Losing More and More Faith in Sikhism/God Everyday... Please Help!!

Astroboy · #19 (**permalink**) 16-Jan-2011, 21:56 PM

Now listen to this,

YouTube - TUHI TUHI

Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/questions-and-answers/33832-im-losing-more-more-faith-sikhism.html

YouTube - Ab Tab Jab Kab Tuhi Tuhi - Bhai Satwinder Singh Ji and Harvinder Singh Ji

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ਅਬ ਤਬ ਜਬ ਕਬ ਤੁਹੀ ਤੁਹੀ ॥
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=33832
अब तब जब कब तुही तुही ॥
Ab ṯab jab kab ṯuhī ṯuhī.
Now and then, here and there, You, only You.
Devotee Kabir - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

harry haller · #20 (**permalink**) 24-Apr-2011, 17:59 PM

For a young person to feel this way is very normal, and I would like to add my own thoughts to the long journey ahead of you. Sikhism can offer much to you, provided you know what it is you want.

Miracles and visions are not important, what is important can be found in the guidelines and advice in the GGS. I am sure the Gurus did not expect every sikh to be an amritdhari perfect example of sikhism. What they left us was the sort of advice and rules that a parent would leave a child.

As a young adult I decided to put my life first and my faith second, and have delved into most of the lusts and pits of despair that life throws at you, and I can tell you that everything I have learned was already there in front of me in scripture. All I know now, (at the tender age of 41) is that to live a good life, the following must be carried out
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=33832

You must earn your money honestly
You must give some of it away to worthy causes
Honour your parents
Honour your wife in action as well as mind
Keep your mind clear, so that people who love you, could walk around inside and find nothing that would dismay them
Practice moderation
Find contentment in what you have
Make a difference to the lives of people round you

Now, although I have learned this through the fire and brimstone of living, if I had more faith, I could have accepted these things instead of having them burnt into me using a red hot poker.

Its your choice my friend, being a good sikh in thought and mind is , I think, the highest honour for any man (My dad is one),and you get the added benefit of knowing what I know to be true,

years ahead!

Randip Singh · #21 (**permalink**) 24-Apr-2011, 22:37 PM

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How do we know that the Gurus performed miracles, how do we know that Guru Nanak Dev Ji's handprint is truly in the boulder at Panja sahib.

He didn't.

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How do we know Baba Ram Rai performed 72 miracles,

He didn't

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How do we know that Baba Deep Singh Ji was able to carry on living after being beheaded,

he didn't

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how do we know Gurbani can truly cure cancer and lead to "supernatural expereinces".

It can't and does not.....however, faith has a great placebo effect.

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All tese people who are referred to as "Bhai Ji's" are claimed to have seen god, how do we know it wasnt a hallucination?

God is in all of us, it is up to us to realise "God". Control and defeat the 5 thieves and realise what is already within you.

I would suggest read about Sikhism from rational sources eg Dr Gopal Singh, Dr I J Singh, Patwant Singh etc. You seem to have got your information from Sakhi's which at best are unreliable, and at worst utter nonsense.

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #22 (**permalink**) 25-Apr-2011, 04:46 AM

Garbage IN..garbage OUT.....the Most authentic reference to Gurmatt is the GURBANI written and endorsed by the GURU himself. Read THAT and get the REAL STUFF.

Randip Singh · #23 (**permalink**) 25-Apr-2011, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Gyani Jarnail Singh

Garbage IN..garbage OUT.....the Most authentic reference to Gurmatt is the GURBANI written and endorsed by the GURU himself. Read THAT and get the REAL STUFF.

Indeed Gyani ji, it is this one up man ship with miracle making that is making people dissillusioned.

Sikhism is such a down to Earth faith. It does not believe in miracle making. These miracle have polluted Sikhism and distort its message.

If we believe that "higher than truth is truthful living" then there can be no place for miracles.

aristotle · #24 (**permalink**) 09-Jul-2011, 10:51 AM

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Recently I have been stressing out over exams and other stuff and not taken a break from my life in the last few months to consider religion, up until the christmas holidays.

I've always considered myself a Sikh and over these holidays ive been thinking alot about religion, how i want to live life and how a Sikh should live their life. While ive been doing this i've just been getting the feeling that everytime something has come to challenge my faith, any controversies ive been convincing and fooling myself to beleive that there is a god and Sikhism is the right path. As a result im starting to feel like my whole life has just been a lie and dedicated to something which is a complete waste. I feel like ive never really been a sikh, just been deluding myself.

The thing is I just havent seen sikhism work, I dont know that its true. In school in history and science lessons were told to look for evidence and look for proof of things working and i just can't find any examples of Sikhi being true.

How do we know that the Gurus performed miracles, how do we know that Guru Nanak Dev Ji's handprint is truly in the boulder at Panja sahib. How do we know Baba Ram Rai performed 72 miracles, How do we know that Baba Deep Singh Ji was able to carry on living after being beheaded, how do we know Gurbani can truly cure cancer and lead to "supernatural expereinces". All tese people who are referred to as "Bhai Ji's" are claimed to have seen god, how do we know it wasnt a hallucination?

My faith has always been suppored by the fact that there is a God, and that Sikhism was founded by the True Gurus who were dent BY God. Perhaps this was naive and the wrong approach, but if theres no evidence that Sikhism works then how are we expected to follow it? As a result im loosing faith, i think the only thing keeping my inside is fear of my family. It would be easy for me to start doing prayer, but im just scared im going to be tricking my own self into beleiving in God, and if im wrong, then I will have wasted even more of my life.

I can't call myself a sikh unless i take the first step and have faith. But i want to have faith can someone please show me the right step to take and how to start beleiveing?

My Brother, Sikhism is a religion of love and sacrifice. One becomes a Sikh the very moment he/she considers himself as a Sikh. If you are steadfast on our love for the Guru, no circumstance whatsoever can shake your faith. ....and there is a very narrow line between faith and blindfaith. So, don't wait for a miracle to happen, you yourself are a miracle, a gift of God to the world. Learn to love, i say again, and you will find yourself as a better Sikh.

texassikhstudent · #25 (**permalink**) 15-Jul-2011, 02:57 AM

As a scientist, I can "see" god everywhere I look. Sikhism provides a logical basis for the vastness of the Universe. Furthermore, science has given evidence that meditation can physically change the structure of your physical and mental mind. Some things are beyond the realm of science as of yet, but our knowledge grows everyday. Some people believe that science and spirituality are incompatible... I can not see that. God created the universe according to the laws of nature... laws that are so intricately perfect mathematically, chemically, etc., that it is hard not to find spirituality from it all. Look at the odds in evolution and you will see how amazing evolution really is! Faith is about looking to teachings for spiritual guidance and deciding what is best for your life!

sachbol · #26 (**permalink**) 05-Aug-2011, 21:02 PM

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twtpgxhz sikhism does not promise you anything. It provides you the tool kit to achieve spirituality including searching for God within and without.

I've always been told that a Sikh person can see god and all doubt can be dispelled by meditation on Naam.

.... of all 11 Guru's 10 seemed to have performed miracles, and Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji hasnt performed any.

I am very sorry to say that something got mixed up in your guidance about sikhism. Literal meditation on Naam has possibly achieved some results but I believe in my mind, that it kind of closes your mind on discovery and leads you to wait for a flash of light to appear and one says, eureka I have seen God.

I do believe you are very honest person and I don't find any offence in your comments.

I will suggest study bani. Try to see the light within. Be good to yourself and see others how you want them to see you.

Sat Sri Akal.

You opened my eyes "Sikhism does not promise you anything. It provides you the tool kit to achieve spirituality including searching for God within and without."
Chamatkars are done by the magecians just for their Rozi-Roti.