Punjab, Punjabi, Punjabiyat

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?...ed-by-muslims/
Izzadeen is a follower of Omar Bakri Mohammed, who used to belong to Al Muhajiroun. After Bakri disbanded Al Muhajiroun in October 2004, Izzadeen helped Bakri to lead two derivative groups. He is currently awaiting trial on terrorism charges. Bakri urged his followers to claim welfare benefits from the government they hated. His followers had no problem beating opponents in the street. Bakri's followers, such as Abdul Muhid (pictured right), have engaged in harassment of Sikhs and have fought with police. These followers have used violence and intimidation, the methods of street gangs, to gain "respect".
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/punjab-punjabi-punjabiyat/32822-punjab-punjabi-punjabiyat.html


Sikhs and Muslims, though classed together by British media as "Asians" have been engaged in gang warfare since the 1990s. In Slough, west of London in 1997, fighting flared up between a Sikh gang called Shere-e-Punjab (the Lions of Punjab) and Muslims from Chalvey, a suburb of Slough called the Chalvey Boys. Shere-e-Punjab had been formed in Handsworth, Birmingham, in the 1980s, and has grown to include parts of London, Slough and Derby. When the Slough violence erupted in 1997, with reports of Sikhs terrorizing Muslims in their homes (and Chalvey Boys responding by attacking Sikh homes, stores and cars), a group was set up in the town called Aik Saath. This group lasted for eight years and acted as an intermediary between Sikh and Muslim gang members.

After 9/11, tensions between Sikh and Muslim youths returned, with much of the conflict centered around schools. On May 16, 2006 violence occurred between students of two schools in Burnham in Slough, in which one student was stabbed. A year earlier, one of these schools, Burnham Grammar School, had given a Sikh student permission to carry a ceremonial knife (kirpan) in class.
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In Derby, violence between gangs of Sikh and Muslim school students took on surreal proportions. In October 2001, an argument over the events of 9/11 led to a gang of youths, apparently Muslims, breaking into Derby Moor Community School. A girl from the school had allegedly argued with Muslim girls over the American Al Qaeda attacks, and one Muslim girl had her headscarf ripped. The gang who invaded the school she attended carried axes and hammers. After smashing windows, the gang attacked students and the teachers who tried to intervene. Five children were taken to hospital. One of these, a 15-year old Sikh girl who was thought to have been involved in the earlier argument, received spinal injuries and a fractured skull. After the attack, a Muslim gang paraded outside the school, chanting "Osama bin Laden".

Tensions between Muslims and Sikhs had been exacerbated by distribution of a letter which urged Muslims to get Sikh girls drunk and convert them to Islam. The letter came from a group calling itself "Real Khilafa", which appears to have been a front group of Al Muhajiroun.

A fortnight after the school attack, a 22-year old Sikh male was ambushed by a gang of Muslims in Derby. The assailants carried hammers and crowbars. Harjit Singh Sandhu received a broken leg and cuts to his head and face. Sandhu's friend said that the injured young man had run into Muslim shops for help but received none. Previously, Muslims had tried to run Mr Sandhu down in a car which drove onto the sidewalk. A Muslim gang called the Youth Muslims Organization continued to patrol Derby's streets calling out Osama bin Laden's name.

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I also just want to know what are your views on the above? is all this false

 
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I am not denying any of the events you mention nor do I wish to belittle them. They are all issues that need to be tackled. All I am saying is that these problems are not exclusive to Sikhs vs Muslims. Every country/community has similar issues and it is exactly because people can't see beyond the emotion that we have so much conflict in the world. Acknowledging the problems is important and so is figuring out how to deal with them. Using them as an excuse to cause more division/ hatred and justifying conflict is not.
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Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=32822

Gang culture is there literally everywhere. In Italy, gangs from different mafia groups rule the show. Many parts of South America are controlled by gangs, some religious some not, New Zealand has many gangs from the Maori people versus other Pacific Islanders. The UK also has Hindu, black, white skinhead gangs. They also fight against Sikhs in the city where I live. Divali functions were cancelled for several years due to gang warfare (muslims and others). Many of the boys in these gangs do not have a clue about the religion/culture they are supposed to be 'defending'. They just need an excuse to fight-it could quite easily be something else if we take one cause away. If we encourage hate then these thugs win. There are always good and bad people so lets just embrace the good.

I am thankful to Aman Ji for posting such a wonderful article. We cannot deny that we have language and other things in common with Panjab in Pakistan. We cannot claim that Punjab and Punjabi belongs exclusively to Sikhs. It is super important to us due to our heritage but it is not ours alone. Using language and other things in common is a wonderful way of beginning to work forward. Ireland had a very bloody conflict spanning many years. The peace process only began to work and gained crediblity when grassroots organisations brought children from both sides of the conflict together to show each that both sides are human beings. Whether we like it or not Panjabi extends beyond the border so why open all wounds to refute the steps forward being attempted by the author.

Kanwardeep Ji, I don't wish to argue with you or prove a point. I am merely presenting another point of view.
Jasleen.

Gang culture and fighting for community are two different issues.What i heard that Shere punjab was fighting for sikhs.Still after so many posts you are unable to answer my question that Why so many sikhs from UK complaint particularly about muslims? Why muslims from UK are making anti sikh sites?

Well I agree that punjabi does not belong exclusively to sikhs,but do Others take proud in Punjabi heritage?Why Pakistan which is a punjabi muslim dominated country chooses urdu
as its official language?URdu is the language of muslims of Uttar pradesh at present The caretaker of Punjabi language are just only sikhs

To create mischief. Hindu Panjabi's also create mischief but as there are more Muslims in the country people complain louder about the muslims and their tactics are more deplorable. That still doesn't mean we should hate all muslims. As i said earlier, hate the injustice not the person. That is what sikhi teaches us.


Pakistan is created from an area which inlcudes more than Panjab. So the country's official language is different just like India's official language is also not Panjabi. In India, Panjab had to struggle to get Panjabi properly recognised from what I've read!

You never give up.I have read and and even discussed this topic with UK sikhs so many times in 5.5 years they all have totally different story to tell.Lo lets end this topic here

Lol Please don't mind but your comparision of India and Pakistan is hilarious They have 60%
Punjabi population and 90% army their is Punjabi.On the Other hand India barely have less than 5% Punjabi population so there is no chance of Punjabi being official language.Yes Sikhs have to struggle to get Punjabi recognised because Punjabi was related to sikhism

Btw here is the link where Gyani ji have written one post how Punjabi was disowned by both Hindu's and muslims.

http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/punjab...tml#post126230

The thread has gone off course.

The article to start the thread in general terms raises questions: Do the terms Punjab, Punjabi, Punjabyat have an essential meaning that all can agree to? Is that possible given the impact of exposure to other cultures and languages that have changed these concepts over time?

Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=32822
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=32822
The invasion of Arabic and Muslim influences on Punjabi language an culture is only one half of the equation in the article. Thanks

Racism is everywhere..even in sikhs ,Hindus,Muslims..Some Hindus cries for castes difference,some Muslims for shia ,sunny and some sikhs for jatt , or for other things..