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Aurangzeb

sukhsingh

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Interesting piece of satire...
I thought so. Acts as a warning to those of us who present history through rose-tinted glasses, through eulogies and hagiographic accounts of our heroes. Something we do a lot in Sikhi...?
 

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Interesting, even if past Sikh stories were somehow in error; from the smallest to the largest.
It does not dismiss the big events like that of the battles and the betrayal, and the killings of big Sikh figures.
The whole article is written in a way that portrays the 'good' and promotes him. The one we were aware of does not fit this, unless he changed eventually but then writing this sentence, is just


"In fact, Aurangzeb was a great champion of organ donation. While in Delhi, his powerful lectures on the subject had even convinced the Sikh Guru Tegh Bahadur to donate his entire head."

Taken from Wiki - with caution:
Wilfred Smith[43] states that, "the attempt to forcibly convert the ninth Guru to an externalized, impersonal Islam clearly made an indelible impression on the martyr's nine year old son, Gobind, who reacted slowly but deliberately by eventually organizing the Sikh group into a distinct, formal, symbol-patterned community". It inaugurated the Khalsa identity

The life of Guru Gobind Singh Ji, to me shows that he strongly was against what had happened to his father. His life not only confirms this more, but demotes the writings this thread is talking about, which have no source to point to, to change what history says. As an emperor, it is Aurangzeb's duty to request conversions of non muslims, or they pay the tax. If he did not follow the Quran by letter to letter, then his Leadership would have been questioned, and hence overthrown in those times, as religion was a very big day to day way of life.
 

sukhsingh

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Interesting, even if past Sikh stories were somehow in error; from the smallest to the largest.
It does not dismiss the big events like that of the battles and the betrayal, and the killings of big Sikh figures.
The whole article is written in a way that portrays the 'good' and promotes him. The one we were aware of does not fit this, unless he changed eventually but then writing this sentence, is just


"In fact, Aurangzeb was a great champion of organ donation. While in Delhi, his powerful lectures on the subject had even convinced the Sikh Guru Tegh Bahadur to donate his entire head."

Taken from Wiki - with caution:
Wilfred Smith[43] states that, "the attempt to forcibly convert the ninth Guru to an externalized, impersonal Islam clearly made an indelible impression on the martyr's nine year old son, Gobind, who reacted slowly but deliberately by eventually organizing the Sikh group into a distinct, formal, symbol-patterned community". It inaugurated the Khalsa identity

The life of Guru Gobind Singh Ji, to me shows that he strongly was against what had happened to his father. His life not only confirms this more, but demotes the writings this thread is talking about, which have no source to point to, to change what history says. As an emperor, it is Aurangzeb's duty to request conversions of non muslims, or they pay the tax. If he did not follow the Quran by letter to letter, then his Leadership would have been questioned, and hence overthrown in those times, as religion was a very big day to day way of life.
I think you're missing the point.. The article is satirical
 
@Pathfinder thank you for your constructive feedback
 

sukhsingh

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Interesting, even if past Sikh stories were somehow in error; from the smallest to the largest.
It does not dismiss the big events like that of the battles and the betrayal, and the killings of big Sikh figures.
The whole article is written in a way that portrays the 'good' and promotes him. The one we were aware of does not fit this, unless he changed eventually but then writing this sentence, is just


"In fact, Aurangzeb was a great champion of organ donation. While in Delhi, his powerful lectures on the subject had even convinced the Sikh Guru Tegh Bahadur to donate his entire head."

Taken from Wiki - with caution:
Wilfred Smith[43] states that, "the attempt to forcibly convert the ninth Guru to an externalized, impersonal Islam clearly made an indelible impression on the martyr's nine year old son, Gobind, who reacted slowly but deliberately by eventually organizing the Sikh group into a distinct, formal, symbol-patterned community". It inaugurated the Khalsa identity

The life of Guru Gobind Singh Ji, to me shows that he strongly was against what had happened to his father. His life not only confirms this more, but demotes the writings this thread is talking about, which have no source to point to, to change what history says. As an emperor, it is Aurangzeb's duty to request conversions of non muslims, or they pay the tax. If he did not follow the Quran by letter to letter, then his Leadership would have been questioned, and hence overthrown in those times, as religion was a very big day to day way of life.

I'm not being funny but could you please try and be more succinct I'm struggling to follow the position you are articulating..

You seem to be blending a number of themes, concepts and distinct issues..
 

RD1

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I thought so. Acts as a warning to those of us who present history through rose-tinted glasses, through eulogies and hagiographic accounts of our heroes. Something we do a lot in Sikhi...?

I think when it comes to our Gurus, they did embody ideal human traits, and deserve to be presented as heroes in full glory.

In general though, I agree, much of history is presented through rose-tinted glasses from the perspective of the group who want to appear as the heroes - and history is written by the victors. Consider even the world today where much of the west is portrayed as "good," and the middle east, asia, africa not so much. The USA and the west are the "saviors," doing the right thing, and those Iraqis and Libyans have been ruled by "pure evil" dictators who just had to be torn down. From the perspective of the Iraqis and Libyans, many of them are suffering more violence and instability now. But from the rose-tinted glasses western media presents us, we don't see much of the other side of the story.
 

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I have not read the article and I don't have the time to . My sincere apologies.

But even lowly me can say one thing for sure : Time does justice ! and time separates the true ones from false ones !
During his lifetime , aurangzeb wore the finest of silks , slept in warmest of blankets and softest of mattresses .
During his lifetime, many times Guru Gobind Singh Ji maharaj had to sleep in thorny forests with tattered clothes.

Look today ! No one lits a lamp on the desolate grave of aurangzeb. Birth place and passing place of Guru Gobind Singh ji is laden with gold and beautiful lighting ..

Who's the emperor now ?
 

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