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while we may argue over love and the meaning of such, here is a music video regarding the opposite,
a video about not love..
a video about not love..
Do You Believe In Love?
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Original ji wrote:
be safe when driving ! Enjoy the "Indian summers" in England - weddings galore !
Many thanks for your good wishes ji. Off to Leeds today.
I have been belting down the M1, M4 and M6 for over 48 years now; you just take life as it comes, I suppose; and
gur merai sang sadaa hai naaley. simar simar tis sadaa samhaaley
Guru Ji is always ang sang; just focus, remember, seek and cherish his sanctuary.
Warm regards
Rajinder Singh ’Arshi’
be safe when driving ! Enjoy the "Indian summers" in England - weddings galore !
Many thanks for your good wishes ji. Off to Leeds today.
I have been belting down the M1, M4 and M6 for over 48 years now; you just take life as it comes, I suppose; and
gur merai sang sadaa hai naaley. simar simar tis sadaa samhaaley
Guru Ji is always ang sang; just focus, remember, seek and cherish his sanctuary.
Warm regards
Rajinder Singh ’Arshi’
He did, we have are and always will be Truth, if not Truth then there is only illusion. But God himself was the first realised. Truth= Nothing, so you're right, there was Nothing before God.
Being All Loving is accepting that Maharaj is everyone everything, everywhere, Truth is the Master and is Supreme. This also equates to being fearless, for what and whom should we fear when he himself is All..
Being at peace with Gods will is accepting Nirboah and Nirvair. Nothing and noone can really hurt us, its all just God and the discovery of pleasure and pain. Pleasure and pain are there to be discovered, but not attached to, we feel them and detach. Really if you see God as All, everything is just Anand- Bliss- hence the Gurus were at peace whilst sitting on hotplates etc.
This psychology takes you to a frequency that cannot be comprehended in language, but must be experienced, and to experience it, you just need to apply the gyan of gurbani to your life, particularly the laws of Nirboah and Nirvair.
Good morning H
Beautiful track [#60]....reminds me of driving down the A66 from lake district to the A1, cutting through the pennines. Thank you for that, quite enjoyed it.
From a scientific perspective, love can be and has been narrowed down to neurobioligical phenomenon, that is, the chemical sytems within the brain. Affairmation of which remains subjective in terms of its neural and biological base. That is to say, not all humans respond to all phenomena uniformaly and percieve/conceive experiences equivocally.
...It is a phase you're going through. You've experienced happy times and sad times; they've gone with the wind, so will these.
Have a good start to the week -
Good day !
Beautiful track [#60]....reminds me of driving down the A66 from lake district to the A1, cutting through the pennines. Thank you for that, quite enjoyed it.
*..what I was driving at was, the compartmentalisation of the word "love" and how HKJ likened it to "Waheguru", meaning, God [post #39]. The essence of which was to show that it's a matter for the heart and not for the head to evaluate. For example, take an orange, its round and everyone around the world is likely to agree; but as for its taste, it may vary from person to person. Where the former [roundness] an objective account and the latter [taste] subjective.
..cupid, maybe !
..no sir, not at all ! What I am, you are not. You cannot become me and I cannot become you, hence, this beautiful diversity in nature. If you feel or are of the opinion that I'm in some way or form trying to impose or indoctrinate you and others with my belief n value, then pls be explicit. We can switch to football. However, I can assure you of my sincereity and prelidictions to be quite conservative and in fact, contrary. I believe in free spirit and liberal society.
...Harry is a name, a noun. We can "know" Harry, but we can't experience "being" Harry. Which brings me neatly to tie-up the loose end of saying the same of "love" [* see above], a noun. A state of being, just as Being Harry is a state of "being", so is Love a state of Being. Who would know Harry for sure ? Alone Harry, of course ! Although, jo public will have a bloody good idea [perception] of who Harry is, but alone Harry can experience the Harry "is" factor. And, it was to this end that I wanted to dichotomise "thinking" and "feeling" as two separate entities of knowing and experiencing; where the former an activity of the mind, subject to "objective" testing [anyone can know love], the latter, an activity of the heart, which falls within the ambit of "subjective" testing [only the experiencer can feel love]. In a nutshell, the difference between knowing something and feeling something is fundamental in determining and defining its true nature. And, love is a commodity that falls within the feeling factor, and is therefore subjective.
From a scientific perspective, love can be and has been narrowed down to neurobioligical phenomenon, that is, the chemical sytems within the brain. Affairmation of which remains subjective in terms of its neural and biological base. That is to say, not all humans respond to all phenomena uniformaly and percieve/conceive experiences equivocally.
..I love you like I love my own brothers and think you're a beautiful soul. And since, we're all on a journey, albeit, in different carriages of the one train, lets share our views, beliefs, values n experiences from within those carriages. Remembering of course, it's the journey and not the destination that is the 'be all end all' of this here Life.
...I quite like the term "awakening".
..you're not misunderstood by me, you are the future. I'm a constant annoyance and want to be part of the future too. Like I tell my own children, never forget the land of the "five alive" for that is your HISTORY.
...It is a phase you're going through. You've experienced happy times and sad times; they've gone with the wind, so will these.
...we all do, such is human nature. But as warriors [Sikh] its better to perfect the one than to master several.
Have a good start to the week -
Good day !
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I think it is very difficult to do anything without an agenda, I think not having an agenda is a sign of purity, but rare to find
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Good morning, although mine tend to be a lot earlier than yours
its one of my favourite videos, and songs, it is a song about love, but then there appears to be two types of love, the love that is able to be felt, and the love that is aspired to.
I am afraid as time goes on, the love in me is dying, perhaps I should explain, I have always been a man of heart not head, it is why my life is constantly shifting and why I never make plans, because my whole life is based on love, on potential, on dreams, on anything at all that does not involve my head, when I was younger, my dad bought me my first car, a Fiat Strada, it lasted a few months, I noted that in the Auto Trader, older luxury cars went for no money at all, my dad advised me to stay clear, as the upkeep and running would be astronomical, but of course, I live by the heart, 6 months later I had a 1978 S Class in chocolate brown, which sparked a love affair with old classics, and over the years cost me a fortune, I fell in love with a girl from the US, again, spent fortunes on travel etc, but it was all ok, because love is precious, it is free, oh yes, love, what a great concept, maybe I never knew love, because from where I am standing at the moment, the more love I seem to have had in my life, the more madness I had, I think it is possible to cultivate a relationship with god through the head and not through the heart, I think it is possible to cultivate a relationship with creation through the head and not the heart.
accepted
Dear Herman Hesse wrote that
“The man of power is ruined by power, the man of money by money, the submissive man by subservience, the pleasure seeker by pleasure.”
I would add that the man of love is ruined by love, it is human nature. Love can be seen to be an excuse for irrational behaviour, to explain why a man would fly 6000 miles just to spend one night with a woman he loves, and then wake up and fly 6000 miles back again, there is no logic, no wisdom in love.
and here is the crux, love has become a byword for actions that are not quite rational, largely due to the fact that it is subjective.
I would go as far as to say it is not even the journey, all we have is now, today, this hour, this minute, its hard to take seriously, life has lost a lot of its gravitas for me, we live in a mad world, full of opinions that seem important, of strange actions and desires that are all justifiable,
not really, I am no more awake than I have been all my life, I never wanted to be the little boy that shouted that the emperor had no clothes, I wanted to be close to the emperor, sharing in his new fashion ideas, I have realised that I can still be the former, and pretend to be the latter.
I am not the future any more than I am the past, I am something quite different, there will always be people like me, madmen, men who rush in where angels fear to tread, not for the good of mankind, or for the love of god or people, but to satisfy our own childish curiousness, to feel something new, to experience, right up the point where you realise all you are doing is creating memories, your a memory generator! I am just a man finding my way through the forest, I am no future.
I disagree, the only constant in my lives have been my parents, I am looking forward to spending time with them, genuinely looking forward to it.
No one is perfecting or mastering anything, battles do not conveniently queue up, you fight when you have to, and if you have to fight several at the same time, then you do.
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“I want to tell you something today, something that I have known for a long while, and you know it too; but perhaps you have never said it to yourself. I am going to tell you now what it is that I know about you and me and our fate. You, Harry, have been an artist and a thinker, a man full of joy and faith, always on the track of what is great and eternal, never content with the trivial and petty. But the more life has awakened you and brought you back to yourself, the greater has you need been and the deeper the sufferings and dread and despair that have overtaken you, till you were up to your neck in them. And all that you once knew and loved and revered as beautiful and sacred, all the belief you once had in mankind and our high destiny, has been of no avail and has lost its worth and gone to pieces. Your faith found no more air to breathe. And suffocation is a hard death. Is that true, Harry? Is that your fate?”
― Hermann Hesse, Steppenwolf
― Hermann Hesse, Steppenwolf
True
In actuality, True Love without agenda is the easiest most uncomplicated thing we can do,letting Maya/ the illusion get in the way of it is the only complicated part. If u realise All is God, then what's there not to love..
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I would say the opposite myself, true love without agenda is the hardest most complicated thing we can do, we were born with agenda, some show theirs more visibly than others, but agenda is there, true, all is god, and all is worthy of love, but intelligence, tact and diplomacy are also required so that we do not turn into {censored}s, in my opinion.
It's not hard, we just make it complicated. Agreed about the intelligence, tact and diplomacy. I.e if I love my family unconditionally but they keep on beating me, I need to logically accept that they are fools and move forward on my journey without them. There are of course lessons to be learned on the way, but the core of Unconditional Love remains unchanged.
Furthermore, along the way, many may try and pull you into their psychology. Remaining True to yourself and All around You is key. Unconditionally Loving All doesn't mean falling for Mayas crap, we still remain grounded and rooted in the Truth of who we really are. Truth cannot be overridden by anyone or anything in this Khel.
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again, I disagree, loving without agenda takes a purity that we do not have, maybe such purity can be introduced, but then with such purity anything is possible, however, we have to agree that to possess such purity, or find another with such purity is rare, we have to therefore conclude it is hard.
well its not quite that cut and dry, people don't beat other people, they just lie about agenda, they may just leech off you for a while, but because of the 'mystery' of love, it will be pleasurable for both of you, a true master of love can manipulate people very easily. much of what we know to be love, is not love at all, the stalker does not stalk for his love, the stalker stalks for themselves.
and what is this core ?
my friend you make all this sound so simple, and it is anything but that, how can you remain true to yourself when you do not even know who you are? We are creatures of desire and habit, watch the gathering of people at the supermarket discount shelf, watch people dismount of a burning plane, it is quite easy to clock the consumers, and the enlightened, most people are defined by their clothes, their houses, their possessions, their status, take all that away and for many, you have nothing left. How does one remain true to nothing? Clearly first we have to know who we are, which is a bit of a rarity in this day and age.
Do you know who you really are?
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love..... beautiful? or mad?
Loving without Agenda is our True Nature- naturally just Being is staying True to yourself, beyond all of the complication that Maya presents and tries to throw upon us.
The stalker stalks for the love of stalking. Gurbani says that the world loves Maya. It loves parts of the whole, but not the whole itself. That's conditional love. We turn to God who is Truth- Hes recognised himself to be the Whole.
Your avatar picture says more than you may realise- it symbolises the Truth- the love and embracing of the expanse of the universe/ the symbolic reflection of the whole. It is endless and infinite.
I am nothing.
“Language has not
the power to
speak what love indites:
The soul lies buried
in the ink that writes.”
― John Clare
If love had a language, then love would be filled with typos.
the power to
speak what love indites:
The soul lies buried
in the ink that writes.”
― John Clare
If love had a language, then love would be filled with typos.
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