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Is Our Obsession With Guru Taking Us Further Away From Creator

Oct 21, 2009
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The significance of Guru is sikhism is very high. He is held in esteem by almost all. 'Guru is God' says Mrs. Rajinder Kaur, a famous sikh Indian philosopher in her book 'God In sikhism',: I am posting two shabads of Guru Granth Sahib ji that are self speaking and would not require any explanation.Yes, for better appreciation of these it is always advisable to refer to teeks of Sahib Singh ji.
Shabad No.1 Ang 311

ਮਃ ੪ ॥
मः ४ ॥
Mėhlā 4.
Fourth Mehl:

ਸਤਸੰਗਤਿ ਮਹਿ ਹਰਿ ਉਸਤਤਿ ਹੈ ਸੰਗਿ ਸਾਧੂ ਮਿਲੇ ਪਿਆਰਿਆ ॥
In the Sat Sangat, the True Congregation, the Lord's Praises are sung. In the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, the Beloved Lord is met.

ਓਇ ਪੁਰਖ ਪ੍ਰਾਣੀ ਧੰਨਿ ਜਨ ਹਹਿ ਉਪਦੇਸੁ ਕਰਹਿ ਪਰਉਪਕਾਰਿਆ ॥
Blessed is that mortal being, who shares the Teachings for the good of others.

ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਦ੍ਰਿੜਾਵਹਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਸੁਣਾਵਹਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੇ ਜਗੁ ਨਿਸਤਾਰਿਆ ॥
He implants the Name of the Lord, and he preaches the Name of the Lord; through the Name of the Lord, the world is saved.

ਗੁਰ ਵੇਖਣ ਕਉ ਸਭੁ ਕੋਈ ਲੋਚੈ ਨਵ ਖੰਡ ਜਗਤਿ ਨਮਸਕਾਰਿਆ ॥
Everyone longs to see the Guru; the world, and the nine continents, bow down to Him.

ਤੁਧੁ ਆਪੇ ਆਪੁ ਰਖਿਆ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਵਿਚਿ ਗੁਰੁ ਆਪੇ ਤੁਧੁ ਸਵਾਰਿਆ ॥
You Yourself have established the True Guru; You Yourself have adorned the Guru.

ਤੂ ਆਪੇ ਪੂਜਹਿ ਪੂਜ ਕਰਾਵਹਿ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਕਉ ਸਿਰਜਣਹਾਰਿਆ ॥
You Yourself worship and adore the True Guru; You inspire others to worship Him as well, O Creator Lord.


ਕੋਈ ਵਿਛੁੜਿ ਜਾਇ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਪਾਸਹੁ ਤਿਸੁ ਕਾਲਾ ਮੁਹੁ ਜਮਿ ਮਾਰਿਆ ॥
If someone separates himself from the True Guru, his face is blackened, and he is destroyed by the Messenger of Death.

ਤਿਸੁ ਅਗੈ ਪਿਛੈ ਢੋਈ ਨਾਹੀ ਗੁਰਸਿਖੀ ਮਨਿ ਵੀਚਾਰਿਆ ॥
He shall find no shelter, here or hereafter; the GurSikhs have realized this in their minds.


ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਨੋ ਮਿਲੇ ਸੇਈ ਜਨ ਉਬਰੇ ਜਿਨ ਹਿਰਦੈ ਨਾਮੁ ਸਮਾਰਿਆ ॥
That humble being who meets the True Guru is saved; he cherishes the Naam, the Name of the Lord, in his heart.


ਜਨ ਨਾਨਕ ਕੇ ਗੁਰਸਿਖ ਪੁਤਹਹੁ ਹਰਿ ਜਪਿਅਹੁ ਹਰਿ ਨਿਸਤਾਰਿਆ ॥੨॥
Servant Nanak says: O GurSikhs, O my sons, meditate on the Lord; only the Lord shall save you. ||2|

[COLOR="Blue"[B]][COLOR="Blue"]Shabad no.2 Ang 312[/COLOR][/B][/COLOR]

ਮਃ ੪ ॥
मः ४ ॥
Mėhlā 4.
Fourth Mehl:

ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਅਗੰਮੁ ਹੈ ਜਿਸੁ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਉਰਿ ਧਾਰਿਆ ॥
The True Guru, the Primal Being, is inaccessible; He has enshrined the Lord's Name within His heart.

ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਨੋ ਅਪੜਿ ਕੋਇ ਨ ਸਕਈ ਜਿਸੁ ਵਲਿ ਸਿਰਜਣਹਾਰਿਆ ॥
No one can equal the True Guru; the Creator Lord is on His side.

ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਕਾ ਖੜਗੁ ਸੰਜੋਉ ਹਰਿ ਭਗਤਿ ਹੈ ਜਿਤੁ ਕਾਲੁ ਕੰਟਕੁ ਮਾਰਿ ਵਿਡਾਰਿਆ ॥
Devotional worship of the Lord is the sword and armor of the True Guru; He has killed and cast out Death, the torturer.

ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਕਾ ਰਖਣਹਾਰਾ ਹਰਿ ਆਪਿ ਹੈ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਕੈ ਪਿਛੈ ਹਰਿ ਸਭਿ ਉਬਾਰਿਆ ॥
The Lord Himself is the Protector of the True Guru. The Lord saves all those who follow in the footsteps of the True Guru.

ਜੋ ਮੰਦਾ ਚਿਤਵੈ ਪੂਰੇ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਕਾ ਸੋ ਆਪਿ ਉਪਾਵਣਹਾਰੈ ਮਾਰਿਆ ॥
One who thinks evil of the Perfect True Guru - the Creator Lord Himself destroys him.

ਏਹ ਗਲ ਹੋਵੈ ਹਰਿ ਦਰਗਹ ਸਚੇ ਕੀ ਜਨ ਨਾਨਕ ਅਗਮੁ ਵੀਚਾਰਿਆ ॥੨॥
These words will be confirmed as true in the Court of the Lord; servant Nanak reveals this mystery. ||2|


To occidental mind Guru may only be a preceptor/philosopher /Guide or teacher But in oriental circles including Hinduism the Importance of Guru is well recognized. I am quoting below a couplet that is very popular amongst my Hindu friends.

Guru Gobind Dono Khare kake Lago Paye
Balihari Gur Aapne jin Gobind diyo Milaye

Regards!
 

N30S1NGH

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Mar 25, 2015
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I think its huge injustice to divinity when people trying to box/confine divinity/Vahiguru into concepts, ideas, preconceived notions, humanitarianism notions, conditioning, rational logic and ultimately undermine divinity. Our Guru's were merged/infused/immersed in total absolute pure truth divine knowledge existence. It's pure awareness truth divine knowledge(Ikongkar Jot) existence(Nirgun) Satguru Nanak immanent itself in form -Sargun- Satguru nanak which appeared in 1469 helped humanity across worldy ocean of suffering, provided protection to devotees.

Satguru Nanak as in Vahiguru has bhagti (devotional) aspect of itself, shabad dhun(resonance) aspect of itself, shakti(energy) aspect of itself and finally its ultimate unmanifested state- nirgun/shabad gyan- unborn nature aspect of itself which is pure awareness infinite divine knowledge (Anubhav parkash).According to my understanding one can look at these aspects as stages in one's spiritual development or aspects of divine leading to the source.

None of these aspects are in clash course with each other, as source of them is no other than one Vahiguru. Full unity (absolute full realization discourse) is given here in gurbani-

Sargun Nirgun Nirankar Sun Samadhi aap apan kiya nanaka ape fir jaap || and in jaap sahib.

Now if some sikhs are naturally (their deeper spritual impluse) are drawn towards any of these aspects of divine are progressing- in my opnion are parvan(acceptable) in Gurmat. Gurmat is not about black and white rigid notions. Off course, many caught up in pointers/confine Agam Satguru(in its totality/concept free Satguru/Nirankar) in one aspect or another- whether in sargun aspect, shabad aspect, or gyan (half transcendental awakening) so on an so forth but if one reads or vichar on gurbani daily intuitively. Alive gurbani itself will help to raise confined surti(consciousness) and help them with transcendence.

It's quite fine to be naturally(deeper spiritual impulse) drawn to any of aspects of divine/vahiguru/nanak over other aspects, but its quite another to undermine other or reject totally others aspects of divine in ignorance, bunch of conceptual notions, egoic conditioned intellect rational,logic, humanitarianism influence

source:
Here is the Absolute meaning of 'Nanak' in japji sahib teeka by sant gyani gurbachan singh khalsa bhindranwale pdf page- 186

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Harry Haller

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I think its huge injustice to divinity

I struggle to believe in divinity.
Our Guru's were merged/infused/immersed in total absolute pure truth divine knowledge existence.
my thoughts are that they were ordinary mortals who through their own intellect and efforts, together with some grace from Creator, managed to reach the state that we all seek to live in, In my view they were not magicians, they did not show miracles, they were there to show us what ordinary mortals could achieve.

Satguru Nanak as in Vahiguru has bhagti (devotional) aspect of itself, shabad dhun(resonance) aspect of itself, shakti(energy) aspect of itself and finally its ultimate unmanifested state- nirgun/shabad gyan- unborn nature aspect of itself which is pure awareness infinite divine knowledge (Anubhav parkash).According to my understanding one can look at these aspects as stages in one's spiritual development or aspects of divine leading to the source.
my thoughts at present- Guru Nanakji was the wisest man that ever existed, thats it.
Now if some sikhs are naturally (their deeper spritual impluse) are drawn towards any of these aspects of divine are progressing- in my opnion are parvan(acceptable) in Gurmat
absolutely! no problem with that one at all, just don't assume all Sikhs are drawn to this.
Alive gurbani itself will help to raise confined surti(consciousness) and help them with transcendence.
Ok what your saying is that there is a spiritual aspect in order to gain spiritual knowledge, again, knock yourself out, just not for me, the more you write, the more it sounds Vedic to me, and I personally feel that Guru Nanakji tried his best to steer away from Vedic spiritualism and towards Sikh pragmatism. However, I absolutely respect your views and thoughts, but again, its not for me.
It's quite fine to be naturally(deeper spiritual impulse) drawn to any of aspects of divine/vahiguru/nanak over other aspects,
absolutely agree
but its quite another to undermine other or reject totally others aspects of divine in ignorance, bunch of conceptual notions, egoic conditioned intellect rational,logic, humanitarianism influence
but that happens during debate, how can it not? If I reject everything you say totally on the grounds that I have different opinions, am I at fault for that?
 

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