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| | | | | Re: Akalis disrupt Parliament over ’84 riots What is the possibility of another 1984 being staged...IF the Guilty are found "Guilty" and sent to prison ?? IF they could do it in 1984..whats to stop them next year or the next ? Has the "Leadership" that was in power in 1984..CHANGED ?? I dont think so..the very same people are still in power..and thus a repeat can very well happen...who will be responsible for any deaths and destruction then ?? Have adequate safeguards been put in place to PREVENT a REPEAT of 1984 ??...Those safeguards MUST be in Place..first.
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01-May-2010, 18:02 PM
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| | | | | Re: Akalis disrupt Parliament over ’84 riots I was refering to the mob.There were niether Muslims nor CHristians but only Hindus who were massacering the Sikhs. | | The following members appreciate jasbirkaleka Ji for the above message. | | 
01-May-2010, 21:26 PM
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| | | | | Re: Akalis disrupt Parliament over ’84 riots India would need another freedom struggle to set right damage caused by denial of justice and perennial misdeeds. There is probably a need for Hind Sabha movement against the corrupt and demoralized political goons in India.
Be it innocent Sikh victims of 1984, innocent city dwellers of Bhopal in 1984, poor fishermen of coastal Tamil Nadu and Andhra Pradesh or any of the thousands of victims justice is denied. The present system does not guarantee justice to common man, but only to elites. We (Most Indian Common Men) burn with wrath for a while on being denied justice, but at the time of voting we get taken away by cheap tactics, false promises more divisive sentiments (caste for example) and finally diminish our struggle for justice. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/politics/30235-akalis-disrupt-parliament-over-84-riots.html
These are the type of propaganda we are made to believe
i) Sikh Rioters were killed by public in 1984.
ii) All Tamils captured, tortured and killed in Southern states in 1991 (following Rajiv's Assasination) were LTTE aides.
iii) All the Bengalis, Biharis killed by STF in recent months were Maoists.
and many more.
The magnitude of injustice done in 1984 to Sikhs is unknown to most other regions of India due to deliberate negligence of media. Similarly, hardly does anyone know about the anti-Tamil propaganda that followed Rajiv Gandhi's assasination. A number of ex-INA heroes were shot dead by Police in southern TN during their peaceful protest against some unjust policies against farmers fearing their popularity. There is a need for all of us to unite with sensitivity to each other's pains and fight in an organized manner vowing to keep the culprits and criminals out of power. | | The following members appreciate ac_marshall Ji for the above message. | | 
01-May-2010, 21:57 PM
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| | | | | Re: Akalis disrupt Parliament over ’84 riots There are Muslims and Christians who figure in the long list of rioters. One can look into the case of "Kohli Electronics" in Rajouri Gardens for example. Goons were paid by their political masters to massacre Sikhs. Ofcourse, a majority of the Goons were Hindus as Hindus form the major population of India. It does not mean that Hindu Community turned against Sikhs. Eminent Sikh Khushwant Singh writer himself gives credit to the local Hindus for concealing Sikhs and supporting the victims. Can the Islamic Community itself be branded as "Terrorists" for acts of Taliban and Al-Qaeda? Can the Christian community itself (including me) be branded as terrorists and fanatics for the acts of 'Klu Klux Klan"? Can All Sikhs be branded terrorists for Kanishka Bombing, killing non Sikhs in trains, buses, markets? I don't mean to justify the inhuman and satanic massacre but just trying to avoid generalization of Hindu community of over a billion for the acts done by a few politically sponsored goons. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=30235Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=30235
Terror is terror irrespective of religion.
Sonali Bose, producer of the film "Amu" highlighting the injustice of 1984 and demanding the justice is also a Hindu.
Majority of Hindus respecct Sikh Gurus as their prophets. | 
01-May-2010, 22:26 PM
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| | | | | Re: Akalis disrupt Parliament over ’84 riots When BJP raises the question of 84 riots, Congress raises 2002 Gujarat riots and vice- versa. To put it crudely they are all "ullu ka pathas"who are only interested in politicizing to get some cheap votes. | | The following members appreciate harbansj24 Ji for the above message. | | 
01-May-2010, 23:14 PM
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Originally Posted by harbansj24 When BJP raises the question of 84 riots, Congress raises 2002 Gujarat riots and vice- versa. To put it crudely they are all "ullu ka pathas"who are only interested in politicizing to get some cheap votes. | The political career of Culprits of 84 riots and 2002 were quite hit by the bad publicity they got from riots.Both Tytler and sajjan were emerging chief minister candidates of delhi but they were unable to become because of 84 riots.Similarly modi may be a hero in Gujarat but outside He is Still not acceptable to many allies of BJP.We all know that there is no chance of justice in any of case.Hoping for it is like day dreaming | | The following members appreciate kds1980 Ji for the above message. | | 
02-May-2010, 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by ac_marshall There are Muslims and Christians who figure in the long list of rioters. One can look into the case of "Kohli Electronics" in Rajouri Gardens for example. Goons were paid by their political masters to massacre Sikhs. Ofcourse, a majority of the Goons were Hindus as Hindus form the major population of India. It does not mean that Hindu Community turned against Sikhs. Eminent Sikh Khushwant Singh writer himself gives credit to the local Hindus for concealing Sikhs and supporting the victims. Can the Islamic Community itself be branded as "Terrorists" for acts of Taliban and Al-Qaeda? Can the Christian community itself (including me) be branded as terrorists and fanatics for the acts of 'Klu Klux Klan"? Can All Sikhs be branded terrorists for Kanishka Bombing, killing non Sikhs in trains, buses, markets? I don't mean to justify the inhuman and satanic massacre but just trying to avoid generalization of Hindu community of over a billion for the acts done by a few politically sponsored goons.
Terror is terror irrespective of religion.
Sonali Bose, producer of the film "Amu" highlighting the injustice of 1984 and demanding the justice is also a Hindu.
Majority of Hindus respecct Sikh Gurus as their prophets. | I never wrote anywhere that the whole Hindu community was against the Sikhs, but it is a common perception that the mobs consisted of Hindus only. | 
02-May-2010, 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by jasbirkaleka I never wrote anywhere that the whole Hindu community was against the Sikhs, but it is a common perception that the mobs consisted of Hindus only. | There are multiple chargesheets filed with long lists that consist of other communities as well. Kohli Electronics case for example was filed by a Sikh Officer of Delhi Police. Ofcourse being the majority community, there would be a majority of Hindu names. Again, this was a sponsored pogrom and not just a violent reaction of people.
To add Oscar Fernandez, another big name in the list of 1984 sponsorers hails from my region.
There is no guarantee that this will not repeat as long as we (the common men) remain divided over our rights for justice, liberty, equality and fraternity. Our ethnic divide is what the ruling party (and also the opposition party) wants so that we continue to remain slaves and pawns hating and fighting each other undetermined to challenge the political immorality from the days of British rule till date. Even today, the perception at southern, western and eastern states is that "Sikh Rioters went on Rampage" which is not true. We are denied justice at large.
Let us vote for people on the basis of merit, honesty and dedication like Gen JJ Singh (The present Governor of Arunachal Pradesh, http://arunachalgovernor.gov.in/html...vernor_ARP.pdf) if we have to seek for socio-political justice and progress. | | The following members appreciate ac_marshall Ji for the above message. | | 
02-May-2010, 13:39 PM
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| | | | | Re: Akalis disrupt Parliament over ’84 riots Quote:
Originally Posted by Gyani Jarnail Singh What is the possibility of another 1984 being staged...IF the Guilty are found "Guilty" and sent to prison ?? IF they could do it in 1984..whats to stop them next year or the next ? Has the "Leadership" that was in power in 1984..CHANGED ?? I dont think so..the very same people are still in power..and thus a repeat can very well happen...who will be responsible for any deaths and destruction then ?? Have adequate safeguards been put in place to PREVENT a REPEAT of 1984 ??...Those safeguards MUST be in Place..first.  | Gyani ji
The repetetion of another 84 in present circumstance is nearly impossible.
Let me explain it to you point by point
1)There is hostile environment towards sikhs no longer exists in General public.
For any Riots hostile environment is necessary
2)Leadership has changed.The sajjan kumar and tytler no longer enjoy the
powerful position in their parties because of 84.Sonia Gandhi and Rahul have the main power.Also Delhi is under control of sheila Dixit who is considered as
good politician and mainly responsible for development of Delhi
3) Presence of Electronic Media.Today many people have camera's.Any video of a politican organising a riot and his career is gone.
4)The political environment of India has changed No party in India from past 14 years has the majority all are dependent on allies even 1% shift in votebank could result in setback for a party
As far safeguards are concerned For urban sikhs totally forget about it.They are the most soft target .They have only interest in 1 thing and that is money | 
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