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Old 17-Apr-2011, 18:58 PM
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Women at Gurdwara Sahib Serdang Lama looking at the Khanda image on the rumala.

KUALA LUMPUR: The appearance of a Khanda image, Sikhism's holy symbol, at Gurdwara Sahib Serdang Lama has set the Sikh community abuzz with excitement.

The image was seen forming on the rumala, a yellow cloth covering Sikhism's holy book, the Guru Granth Sahib.

Temple priest Guridtta Singh, an Indian national who has been here for 11/2 years, said this was the first time he had seen such a phenomenon. He said he never heard of such incidents in India or any where else in the world.

Guru Gobind Singh Ji was the 10th and last human Sikh Guru who completed writing the Sikh holy book, the Dasam Granth. He also declared the Guru Granth Sahib as the next permanent Sikh Guru.

The incident unfolded on the last day of the three-day prayer recitation in celebration of Vaisakhi, the start of the Sikh new year and the birth of the Khalsa Brotherhood founded by Guru Gobind Singh.

Private tutor Jasvinder Kaur, 38, said she went to the gurdwara on Thursday with a garland of flowers but could not enter the temple as she was not properly dressed.

She handed the garland to a devotee named Manjit Kaur to place it above the rumala. The rumala was presented by another devotee, Kawalpreet Kaur, 57, who had used it for her son's wedding in February.

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Legal secretary Jasvinder Kaur, 45, said after the garland was placed, drops of water fell onto the rumala and formed a patch resembling the Khanda.

"From about 8.30pm, there was lightning and thunder as devotees were reciting prayers. As we completed our prayers, I looked up after bowing to Guru Granth Sahib and I saw with amazement the Khanda forming on the rumala."

There was also a smaller image of the Khanda on the lower left side of the cloth.

Another unusual incident was the appearance of a black bird at the temple early the next morning (Friday), which flew onto the palki, a cabinet where the Guru Granth Sahib was kept.

The bird then bowed to the holy book and flew to the dining hall for a sip of water before flying off.

The women explained that they believed the bird was a messenger of Guru Gobind Singh as he always had a bird on his right arm.

To honour this occurrence, the temple conducted a 12-hour prayer session from 7am yesterday.

So far, some 300 devotees had flocked to the 97-year-old temple and more were expected to come as word gets around.


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Gullibility!!!

I have a tea stain on my T shirt that looks a bit like an Ek Onkar, maybe they want to worship that too?
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Thank You veer Randip Singh, Ji.

The explanation is very simple.I wonder if people have heard of Oxidation?
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Oxidation is defined as the interaction between oxygen molecules and all the different substances they may come into with contact, from metal to living tissue. Technically, however, with the discovery of electrons, oxidation came to be more precisely defined as the loss of at least one electron when two or more substances interact. Those substances may or may not include oxygen. (Incidentally, the opposite of oxidation is reduction — the addition of at least one electron when substances come into contact with each other.) Sometimes oxidation is not such a bad thing, as in the formation of super-durable anodized aluminum Other times, oxidation can be destructive, such as the rusting of an automobile or the spoiling of fresh fruit.

But in case of material, once the material has been broken,tampered left for prolonged periods in an enclosed environment or sat upon or impressed with , then the individual cells of the area of the material come in direct contact with air and the oxygen molecules start burning them. The result is a form of rust we see as brownish spots or blemishes- these blemishes on cloth can leave an impression- as we can see whne comes in contact with water and oxygen creates the impressed image on it .The rumalla cloth must have been folded for ages with perhaps a metal khanda and left in a cupboard or trunk with weight upon it ...until used now.

But who will explain this to the gullible Sikhs?Will they believe when such an explanation is given?

Who followed the bird that was seeking food and moving its head forever back and forth; then followed it into the dining hall and watched it drink water...?In tropical countries birds will fly in through the very many open spaces and rest on wooden perches...I have seen this many many times....and then fly out again...perhaps get adrink of water on its way .......during my last visit to malaysia, I saw a brid fly into the open darbar sahib of Klang Gurduara and then after some time fly out again...was that bird there to bless the wedding, or simply an invited or uninvited guest?
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What next?I have seen a dent on my friends car that looks like the image of a gursikh with flowing beard.....shall we turn that into an image of prayer?


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I suggest wash the Rumala fast before more ignorance is spread.

I don't want to say much about Guridtta Singh but I wonder why he is allowed to sit in "Tabbia" (in attendance of Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji) if his beliefs are against what Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji teaches us. Very very strange people.
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you need to understand gurbani it is not science the science we are talking about today have been taught by Guru Nanak 500 years ago so don't get carry away by how smart you are. please try to understand Gurbani and you will know what I am saying,
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Sat sri akaal

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you need to understand gurbani it is not science the science we are talking about today have been taught by Guru Nanak 500 years ago so don't get carry away by how smart you are. please try to understand Gurbani and you will know what I am saying,
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I hope you don't have any issues with removing the stain from the rumala? Rumalas should be cleaned as necessary and if cannot be cleaned should be discarded as well.

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The so called miracle can become a turning point for many people. Where many preachers have failed to transform the Sikhs from partaking Khande Di Pahul, this oxidation process can transform them. What's wrong with leaving it as a 'miracle'?
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The so called miracle can become a turning point for many people. Where many preachers have failed to transform the Sikhs from partaking Khande Di Pahul, this oxidation process can transform them. What's wrong with leaving it as a 'miracle'?

I see miracles everyday. My life is full of miracles. My life as a Sikh is a miracle.
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