Should a Turban be called "Headwear"?

Sunjeet Singh · #10 (**permalink**) 24-Jun-2012, 12:20 PM

My opinion is that, although it can be considered "headwear", we can't call it that because its supposed to be treated as our crown given by Guru Gobind Singh Sahib Maharaj ji, and I'm pretty sure he wanted us to refer to it with more respect...rrrriiiighhhtt?

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Gyani Jarnail Singh · #11 (**permalink**) 24-Jun-2012, 12:29 PM

What does Queen Elizabeth wear on her head during special ocassions ? Does it change if we call it Taaj and the British call it Crown ?? Is the British Queen any LESS ? or MORE ? The Shah Of Iran ruled Iran for over 2000 Years..and he used to sit on the Peacock Throne...the Mor Kursee ??
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/opinion-polls/31036-should-a-turban-be-called-headwear.html
Same goes for LONG HAIR..we call it KESH...but the words are not exchangeable..but it doesnt matter really what ist called..its the SPIRIT behind it..Kacherra ...shorts..drawers..whatever...kirpan..dagger..sho rt knife..whatever..karra..bangle..steel bangle..komb..kangha...its NOT just a "comb"...its a Kangha. depends on who is saying what ...

Ruqa · #12 (**permalink**) 24-Jun-2012, 20:31 PM

Here's my two cents. I think the turban/dastar looks really good on both men and women and it should not be confused or associated with a hat or cap or any other casual headwear that a person chooses to wear because it has religious significance, I think someone used the words before, 'part of a Sikh's religious identity'. I think that clubs etc should make exceptions in these circumstances. What that club did seems wrong to me and it agitates me.

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #13 (**permalink**) 25-Jun-2012, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Kamala

Were a chunni with a suit or something. Turbans arent neccisary for Sikh women but they just do it because they want to, you only have to cover your head. If you don't like the rules, don't go.

ha Ha Kamala Ji..your quote reminded me about your insistence that the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji contains proof of the existence of Hindu Idols and a Sikh must thus..just DO IT (believe they exist )..

Here also you are wrong...KESH and DASTAAR are MANDATORY to a SIKH. Period. There is no DISCRIMINATION between Male and Female. What a Male SIKH gets in Khandey Dee Pahul ceremony..a Female also gets. NO IFs and NO BUTs..no less and no more..all EQUALLY EQUAL.

Luckysingh · #14 (**permalink**) 25-Jun-2012, 10:27 AM

When people cannot even understand the significance that Gyanji points out above about it being universal and not just for men, then we are just fools trying to define it as headwear or not.

Strictly speaking, headwear is a term used for accesories that can be worn on the head.
In western fashion terms it is similar to footwear and handwear like gloves. These things can be worn and taken off as needed or as required. Headwear can mean anything from headbands, sweatbands, hats and caps.
In all honesty if someone doesn't know what a turban is the and calls it headwear, then there is nothing to get offended about. - I can't see what the problem is.

The problem is in the issue in the 1st post where it legally gets classed as headwear in that article.
However, there are places everywhere like restaurants, bars, goverment buildings, certain banks that do NOT allow headwear- this is normally baseball caps (most common headwear) and hats- the reasons for these are normally dress codes and in the case of banks-security...ie.. someone is difficult to identify on CCTV if they are wearing a baseball cap, therefore for interests of security they don't allow it.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=31036
BUT- none of these places EVER has an issue with turbans, they mostly see the turban as part of the persons identity- so what is the security risk ?-NONE at ALL.
The case Highlighted in the 1st post, I think is an isolated incident in general as nowadays there is a greater deal of awareness.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=31036

Most people that know that the turban has some sort of significance don't label it as headwear.
So, really it depends who is actually calling it headwear or turban.

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #15 (**permalink**) 25-Jun-2012, 13:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Luckysingh

When people cannot even understand the significance that Gyanji points out above about it being universal and not just for men, then we are just fools trying to define it as headwear or not.

Strictly speaking, headwear is a term used for accesories that can be worn on the head.
In western fashion terms it is similar to footwear and handwear like gloves. These things can be worn and taken off as needed or as required. Headwear can mean anything from headbands, sweatbands, hats and caps.
In all honesty if someone doesn't know what a turban is the and calls it headwear, then there is nothing to get offended about. - I can't see what the problem is.

The problem is in the issue in the 1st post where it legally gets classed as headwear in that article.
However, there are places everywhere like restaurants, bars, goverment buildings, certain banks that do NOT allow headwear- this is normally baseball caps (most common headwear) and hats- the reasons for these are normally dress codes and in the case of banks-security...ie.. someone is difficult to identify on CCTV if they are wearing a baseball cap, therefore for interests of security they don't allow it.
BUT- none of these places EVER has an issue with turbans, they mostly see the turban as part of the persons identity- so what is the security risk ?-NONE at ALL.
The case Highlighted in the 1st post, I think is an isolated incident in general as nowadays there is a greater deal of awareness.

Most people that know that the turban has some sort of significance don't label it as headwear.
So, really it depends who is actually calling it headwear or turban.

Lucky Ji..
Thats precisely WHY we LOST the Battle for dastaar in FRANCE. There were self appointed "Special Envoy of Akal takhat" etc etc on the side of the SIKHS who fought to establish the Dastaar as Cultural..social..historical...etc..ALL of which arguments fall flat because IF its simply Cultural./Social/Historically worn/Traditional.why cant you take it off for a moment to take a passport photo..or for airport security ??
SIKHS didnt KNOW the significance of the Dastaar and WHY its removal in PUBLIC....even for a SECOND is not acceptable..

Nearly six decades ago, my dad had a Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji accompanying our family by ship from madras ...from Amritsar we had the Bir packed in a iron TRUNK which we always kept on the Top sleeper of the Train for the 4 day 3 night journey. When we landed at Penang port, the customs wanted to open and see the "book" just flick through the pages etc. My dad said..It looks like a book, its made of paper, etc etc BUT ITS NOT a BOOK which can be opened anywhere, or have its pages flicked back and forth. Have you ever seen a "book" carried on a person' s head, with an attnendat waving a chaur and three others accompanying a s Guards ?? We were allowed to pass without customs check on the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Bir which we still have today.

Therefore its Mandatory for SIKHS first and foremost to know whats a Dastaar, hats the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, whats a Kirpan, Whats a Kesh/Kangha/Kachhera, Gurdwara, degh langgar etc etc..before we expect others to know...

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #16 (**permalink**) 28-Jun-2012, 04:38 AM

And Here is a MUSLIM WOMAN who has gone against a FATWA barring Muslim women form Shaving Heads..to WEARING A TURBAN !!....LAST LINE OF REPORT.

Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=31036
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp...320&sec=nation

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #17 (**permalink**) 07-Jul-2012, 17:36 PM

muslims call their dress..hijab..and never simply cloak...technically its cloak..but not when worn by a muslim..then it transforms into hijab...