Do You Think You Are Khalsa?

Narayanjot Kaur · #10 (**permalink**) 03-Feb-2008, 23:31 PM

There is a lot of history in this thread. A lot of history. Bringing back memories. Bringing smiles.

drkhalsa · #11 (**permalink**) 04-Feb-2008, 00:19 AM

Very Nice Disscusion ! May be I missed it earlier on .

The assertion given by Harjas is very Valis that using a Common Surname Like khalsa might be used as common platform for all old and new

But I think Singh and Kaur were also Coined for the same purpose
So why one new surname Khalsa , may be it is also source of inspiration and also carries the memories of Historical Sikh Figures like
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/opinion-polls/15242-do-you-think-you-are-khalsa.html
Siri Singh Sahib Bhai Sahib Harbhajan Singh Khalsa as he was

as he was popularly known as

But one other intersting observation that I made out of thread is that in India many sikhs are inclined to use their Caste along with name

My question is this also something like Khalsa denoting something Historic or important
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=15242

Our very respected member Surinder Kaur Cheema Ji also uses her surname .I am very sure that she is NOT using it to claim something but still I could not sure why we ( all of us !)use this even after 300 years of Creation of Khalsa
Inputs will be appreciated

Archived_Member1 · #12 (**permalink**) 07-Feb-2008, 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by PCJS

Well folks,

Many people refer to themselves as Khalsa. Some people even use Khalsa as their last name.

Just wondering...

First of all, do you even know what Khalsa is supposed to be?

Second, is there supposed to be anyone better than Khalsa?

Third, do you think you are a Khalsa?

Finally, doesn't referring to yourself as Khalsa automatically make you not a Khalsa?

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is it possible you're confusing khalsa with gurmukh? when one takes Amrit, one becomes Khalsa. Khalsa means one who "belongs to God".

taking amrit does not make one Gurmukh, that's a much longer spiritual journey. but i think all Amritdhari may call themselves Khalsa without hesitation, as when you take Amrit, the panj piyare tell you that you are Khalsa.

carolineislands · #13 (**permalink**) 14-Feb-2008, 05:44 AM

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Khalsa means one who "belongs to God".

If this definition is to be taken literally then one would not even have to be a Sikh to be "Khalsa."

Somebody up the thread a ways said that Khalsa was a person who had totally forsaken ego and personality, in which case almost NOBODY would be Khalsa.

I'm starting to think that calling yourself "Khalsa" is kind of like saying you're a "saint." If you were you'd never say it and if you say it you probably aren't.

Archived_Member1 · #14 (**permalink**) 14-Feb-2008, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by carolineislands

If this definition is to be taken literally then one would not even have to be a Sikh to be "Khalsa."

Somebody up the thread a ways said that Khalsa was a person who had totally forsaken ego and personality, in which case almost NOBODY would be Khalsa.

I'm starting to think that calling yourself "Khalsa" is kind of like saying you're a "saint." If you were you'd never say it and if you say it you probably aren't.

Khalsa is not only saint, it's saint and warrior, or "sant/saphai".

here's what Guru Gobind Singh ji says about Khalsa:

"He who keeps alight the unquenchable torch of truth, and never swerves from the thought of One God; he who has full love and confidence in God and does not put his faith, even by mistake, in fasting or the graves of Muslim saints, Hindu crematoriums, or Jogis places of sepulchre; he who recognises the One God and no pilgrimages, alms-giving, non-destruction of life, penances, or austerities; and in whose heart the light of the Perfect One shines, - he is to be recognised as a pure member of the Khalsa" (Guru Gobind Singh, 33 Swaiyyas)

or more famously...

"Khalsa mero roop hai khaas.
The Khalsa is my complete image

Khalse maih hau karo nivaas.
I dwell in the khalsa

Khalsa mero mukh hai ang-aa.
Khalsa is my chief organ

Khalse ke hau sadh sadh sang-aa.
I am always with the khalsa

Khalsa mero mitr sakhaa-ee
Khalsa is my closest friend

Khalsa maat pitaa sukhdaa-ee
Khalsa is my mother, father & source of all comforts.

Khalsa meri jaat ar pat.
Khalsa is my caste & creed.

Khalsa sau maa kau utapat.
My creation is through the khalsa

Khalsa mero bhavan bhand-aa-raa.
I dwell in the khalsa who is a storehouse of all my requirements.

Khalse kar mero satk-aa-raa.
I am honoured because of the khalsa.

Khalsa mero pind par-aan.
Khalsa is my body & breath.

Khalsa meri jaan ki jaan.
Khalsa is my life & soul

Khalsa mera satgur poor-aa
Khalsa is my full-fledged Guru.

Khalsa mera sajan soor-aa.
Khalsa is my brave friend.

Khalsa mero budh ar giaan.
Khalsa is my wisdom & knowledge.

Khalse ka hau dhar-au dhiaan.
I always contemplate the khalsa prayerfully

Upmaa khalsae jaath na kahi
Eulogy of the khalsa is beyond me.

Jihv-aa ek paar nah lahi.
I cannot fathom full praise of the khalsa with one tongue.

Ya mai ranch na mithe-aa bhaakh-ee.
I certify that I have not mis-stated anything in the foregoing.

Paarbrahm gur Nanak saak-ee.
God & Guru Nanak are my witnesses to endorse the foregoing truth

Narayanjot Kaur · #15 (**permalink**) 14-Feb-2008, 06:33 AM

So that is Gurmat. No question.

carolineislands · #16 (**permalink**) 14-Feb-2008, 09:18 AM

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"He who keeps alight the unquenchable torch of truth, and never swerves from the thought of One God; he who has full love and confidence in God and does not put his faith, even by mistake, in fasting or the graves of Muslim saints, Hindu crematoriums, or Jogis places of sepulchre; he who recognises the One God and no pilgrimages, alms-giving, non-destruction of life, penances, or austerities; and in whose heart the light of the Perfect One shines, - he is to be recognised as a pure member of the Khalsa" (Guru Gobind Singh, 33 Swaiyyas)

Do you believe only Sikhs meet all these criteria? If so, do you believe only Sikh's who have participated in the ceremony of amrit meet all these criteria?

Archived_Member1 · #17 (**permalink**) 14-Feb-2008, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by carolineislands

Do you believe only Sikhs meet all these criteria? If so, do you believe only Sikh's who have participated in the ceremony of amrit meet all these criteria?

i think a person of any faith can achieve God... i suppose one could consider Jesus or Kabir ji or Buddha to be Khalsa by this definition.

however, i thought this discussion was in the context of sikhi. or did i miss something?

Astroboy · #18 (**permalink**) 14-Feb-2008, 14:18 PM

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Originally Posted by carolineislands

Do you believe only Sikhs meet all these criteria? If so, do you believe only Sikh's who have participated in the ceremony of amrit meet all these criteria?

If a ceremony is performed to awaken Soul's awareness in the spheres of duality, then that awakening matters more.