Do You Think You Are Khalsa?

Narayanjot Kaur · #82 (**permalink**) 18-Apr-2010, 02:42 AM

Forum members, I want to point something out for purposes of discussion. Below is the very first comment in thread. It was started by PCJ himself in 2007. After several retirements the thread has come back into the current discussion, resurrected by PCJ himself.

The comment below is set up so that nothing meaningful can result from a discussion.

No matter how the question is answered, the answer will be incorrect. What is the point?

Quote:

Originally Posted by PCJS

Well folks,

Many people refer to themselves as Khalsa. Some people even use Khalsa as their last name.

Just wondering...

First of all, do you even know what Khalsa is supposed to be?

Second, is there supposed to be anyone better than Khalsa?

Third, do you think you are a Khalsa?

Finally, doesn't referring to yourself as Khalsa automatically make you not a Khalsa?

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Here are some ordinary definitions of the word "troll"

circulate, move around
cause to move round and round; "The child trolled her hoop"
sing the parts of (a round) in succession
angle with a hook and line drawn through the water
(Scandanavian folklore) a supernatural creature (either a dwarf or a giant) that is supposed to live in caves or in the mountains
sing loudly and without inhibition
round: a partsong in which voices follow each other; one voice starts and others join in one after another until all are singing different parts of the song at the same time; "they enjoyed singing rounds"
praise or celebrate in song; "All tongues shall troll you"
a fisherman's lure that is used in trolling; "he used a spinner as his troll"
speak or recite rapidly or in a rolling voice

The idea being to go around in circles, and even the idea of being lured like a fish into the never ended circles is included. The Internet origins for the meaning for "troll" is very similar.

From Wikipedia. The contemporary use of the term is alleged to have first appeared on the Internet in the late 1980s,^[3] but the earliest known example is from 1992. It is thought to be a truncation of the phrase trolling for suckers. That phrase is itself derived from the fishing technique of slowly dragging a lure or baited hook from a moving boat, waiting for fish to strike, a technique known as trolling. The word also evokes the trolls portrayed in Scandinavian folklore and children's tales, as they are often creatures bent on mischief and wickedness. The verb "troll" originates from Old French "troller", a hunting term. The noun "troll", however, comes from the Old Norse word for a mythological monster.

We are being trolled here, and we were being trolled from the beginning.

PCJ · #83 (**permalink**) 18-Apr-2010, 02:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tejwant Singh

PCJ,

Guru Fateh.

Thanks for showing your intellectual dishonesty in this post as well as you have done in the other thread.

I have no idea about your English skills but it seems you did not comprehend what I said. Try to read it again and if you have any questions, please do not hesitate to ask.

What does pure hearted mean to you?

And who is this Lord of yours? Why are you scared to share the truth as a truthseeker you claim to be?

Where's your personal integrity? Does your Lord teach you about it or not?

Tejwant Singh

Although someone with pure heart is not same as pure, fin dme someone who even has a pure heart.

Pure in spirituality is as pure as The Lord Himself. Someone who behaves exactly like The Lord Himself is only worthy of being called Pure.

Narayanjot Kaur · #84 (**permalink**) 18-Apr-2010, 03:18 AM

We are being trolled here, and we were being trolled from the beginning.

spnadmin · #85 (**permalink**) 24-Jan-2011, 19:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narayanjot Kaur

Forum members, I want to point something out for purposes of discussion. Below is the very first comment in thread. It was started by PCJ himself in 2007. After several retirements the thread has come back into the current discussion, resurrected by PCJ himself.

The comment below is set up so that nothing meaningful can result from a discussion.

No matter how the question is answered, the answer will be incorrect. What is the point?

Here are some ordinary definitions of the word "troll"

circulate, move around
cause to move round and round; "The child trolled her hoop"
sing the parts of (a round) in succession
angle with a hook and line drawn through the water
(Scandanavian folklore) a supernatural creature (either a dwarf or a giant) that is supposed to live in caves or in the mountains
sing loudly and without inhibition
round: a partsong in which voices follow each other; one voice starts and others join in one after another until all are singing different parts of the song at the same time; "they enjoyed singing rounds"
praise or celebrate in song; "All tongues shall troll you"
a fisherman's lure that is used in trolling; "he used a spinner as his troll"
speak or recite rapidly or in a rolling voice

The idea being to go around in circles, and even the idea of being lured like a fish into the never ended circles is included. The Internet origins for the meaning for "troll" is very similar.

From Wikipedia. The contemporary use of the term is alleged to have first appeared on the Internet in the late 1980s,^[3] but the earliest known example is from 1992. It is thought to be a truncation of the phrase trolling for suckers. That phrase is itself derived from the fishing technique of slowly dragging a lure or baited hook from a moving boat, waiting for fish to strike, a technique known as trolling. The word also evokes the trolls portrayed in Scandinavian folklore and children's tales, as they are often creatures bent on mischief and wickedness. The verb "troll" originates from Old French "troller", a hunting term. The noun "troll", however, comes from the Old Norse word for a mythological monster.

We are being trolled here, and we were being trolled from the beginning.

Let's keep these comments in mind before we reply to this thread and get lost in a swamp of irresolvable arguments. Thanks.

Manni Singh 85 · #86 (**permalink**) 08-Mar-2012, 02:32 AM

Pure is Khalsa and naming yourself khalsa wont make you Pure, even if you are amritdhari. To be a Khalsa ( pure) you have to live life as per Sri guru Granth sahib says. I have seen many people using name khalsa and they were even amritdhari doing deeds that Khalsa wont even think about.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/opinion-polls/15242-do-you-think-you-are-khalsa.html
SSA.

prakash.s.bagga · #87 (**permalink**) 08-Mar-2012, 02:41 AM

There was a time when it was easy to become Sikh and difficult to become Khalsaa,but Now it is easy to become a Khalsaa but difficult to become a Sikh.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=15242
We are not adopting the concept of Khalsaa as it should have been.We are terribly entangled in defing a Sikh as Khalsaa only.
Prakash.s.Bagga

Ambarsaria · #88 (**permalink**) 08-Mar-2012, 23:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by prakash.s.bagga

We are terribly entangled in defing a Sikh as Khalsaa only.
Prakash.s.Bagga

Prakash.S.Bagga ji can you please elaborate on the underlined? I don't fully understand.

Please refer to SRM to show any deviation from the definition of a Sikh as compared to Khalsa. By the way Khalsa is not defined in SRM. Khalsa is a "Qom"/Panth/Sikhism-followers and Sikh is a person.

Thank you.

Sat Sri Akal.

chazSingh · #89 (**permalink**) 14-Mar-2012, 20:35 PM

pooran joth jagai ghatt mai thab khaalas thaahi nakhaalas jaanai ||
Such a man, in whose heart shines the full Divinely Radiant Light is a true a pure Khalsa.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=15242

jaagith joth japai nis baasur eaek binaa man naik n aanai ||
He the Khalsa meditates on the Ever-radiant Light, day and night, and rejects all else but the one Lord from the mind.

When one becomes so Pure from within that not a single thought arises in their mind associated with:

Ego: I am me, you are you, this is mine, that is yours.
Greed: i want more, i do not have enough.
Desire: His wife/Husband is just what i want, one woman isnt enough, can't wait to eat some meat, can't wait to eat some lovely saag, that property is nice...thats what i want. etc etc
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=15242
Anger: how dare you speak to my kids like that, i'll show revenge to you, you took my chair without asking!!, you cut across my car..how dare you..etc etc etc
Attachment: My children are mine, your children are yours. Look after only your own family. My car is so beautiful i love it, my new coffee tabkle is so nice i dare not have anyone spill anything on it. etc etc

Once you reach a state of holding these thoughts back and letting the one single all knowing, love filled, compasionate, caring, humble, protector of all of mankind thought enter your mind and nothing else...you can then be called a PURE TRUE khalsa.
This thought comes straight from your soul which is connected to universal flowing naam within you and in all of creation

A True Khalsa is God in all his glory walking the earth amongst us.
Everyone else (including me)...we are all still pulluted within

This is just to my current understanding...i am a mere sinner and full of filth...
may god bless us all.

chazSingh · #90 (**permalink**) 14-Mar-2012, 20:59 PM

Oh, and we can all reach the above state...with Guru Ji's Grace